DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Joycap]

Noah and Mio vs Tidus and Yuna (Xenoblade Chronicles vs Final Fantasy X/X2): Someone's a Final Fantasy X stan. Everyone then talks about their favorite Final Fantasy games. They would love to bring Tidus and Yuna in.

Idk if this is something I've mentioned before, but if an XC3 character did come to the format, I wouldn't mind the 2v2 that much. It's just that giving each member of Ouroboros their own MU is more representative of their individual character(s) than gimping MU charts to accommodate said 2v2 (lest you want to do what Dante vs Bayo did and just work Ouroboros full components into the animation).

I prefer Lanz vs Junpei Iori over any of Sena's current MUs, if that's any food for thought.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Idk if this is something I've mentioned before, but if an XC3 character did come to the format, I wouldn't mind the 2v2 that much. It's just that giving each member of Ouroboros their own MU is more representative of their individual character(s) than gimping MU charts to accommodate said 2v2 (lest you want to do what Dante vs Bayo did and just work Ouroboros full components into the animation).

I prefer Lanz vs Junpei Iori over any of Sena's current MUs, if that's any food for thought.

Yuna and Tidus vs Noah and Mio is honestly peak, especially when Final Fantasy X is one of the best selling and most iconic Final Fantasy games. It just feels right to do.

 

[Joycap]

Yuna and Tidus vs Noah and Mio is honestly peak, especially when Final Fantasy X is one of the best selling and most iconic Final Fantasy games. It just feels right to do.

Oh yeah no I'd pop off if there was a non Shulk vs Lightning Xeno JRPG MU happening before that, so that isn't strictly my issue here.

I just prefer Noah vs Yuito as an episode ig.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Truthfully, I didn't realize it was Fate Medusa they pitted Boa against. I glossed over that & for some reason thought which Medusa it was was unspecified.

Despite that just our Wiki alone has at least 14 Medusa profiles.

So, shame on me, I guess, lol.

That's fair.

Bruh Imma need folks to stop saying 4D shit as if that means just say x hax universal or some layered resistant or something against it

Sure, but they’re treated as separate things here on the wiki. Plus, Servant resistances and invulnerability are layered anyway.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

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But can ben resist jayden fusing with him to win the fight?

 

[Imaginym]

But can ben resist jayden fusing with him to win the fight?

On one hand, I do not see Resistance to any of Soul Manipulation, nor Fusionism, nor Fissionism on his profile.

On the other hand....

• Limited Abstract Existence (Type 1; Ben embodies the idea of Reason while being transformed into Alien X who merely exists as an avatar. Alien X can only be affected by harming his debate dimension along with his consciousness considering how Galactic Gladiator focused on shaking the debate dimension, thanks to Alien X's Type 9 Immortality)

However, De-Fusion may have kind of did that, given on the context in Yugi vs Marik:

1. Marik vs Yugi have a duel. Marik, as usual, makes it a Shadow Game.
2. The gimmick is that since each side has two souls (The pharoah & Yugi Muto, Yami Marik & Marik Ishtar.), with normally either 1 of the two being in a Milennium Item, Marik has them separated in this duel. Except....
3. It's still a 1vs1; The soul that isn't the side's duelist is bound, hovering in the air/shadows, with how much of their body or soul (Nuances unclear based on my memory; Original dialogue should be checked. But souls are definitely involved.) corresponding to the active duelist's remaining Life Points; When Marik fuses with Ra, only an Eye is left where he normally stands, while the rest of him is attached to Ra.
(Not to mention there may be some cheatery going on by Yami Marik, as he's an alter ego, not a body nor a spirit, which would've let him cheat the rules that endanger body & spirit alike. But again, the original dialogue would need to be checked.)

But the point is, when Marik fused himself (Via Ra's ability.), he was able to use De-Fusion to separate himself, despite being separated from his host body, & being either or both of a mind & a soul, & the only part of him where Yami Marik's "form" should be being a single eye representing his 1 Life Points.

So if De-Fusion can work on that stuff (Fact-checking needed.), it can probably go after Ben's mind/soul.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

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Sense super fusion can fuse realitys there's probably an aurgment to be had he could fuse with the entire debeat dimension and alien X itself, tho this would probably result in him being another vote inside alien X and not really fusing with ben but that's alot of speculation

 

[Imaginym]

Sense super fusion can fuse realitys there's probably an aurgment to be had he could fuse with the entire debeat dimension and alien X itself, tho this would probably result in him being another vote inside alien X and not really fusing with ben but that's alot of speculation

Well, Super Polymerization fused Souls. Maybe it fused Mind also, but IDK if those are interchangeable in Ben 10's setting. (Or even if Yubel & Jaden do share a mind. They definitely have telepathy & whatnot, but do they have like, full, unimpeded access to one anothers' psyches, memories, etc.?)

There's also this from Yubel's profile:

Reactive Power Level (Cards and duelists empower each others with strong will[10])

I'm unsure of if it applies to non-monsters, but IDK why to deny it at this time.

Jaden is the reincarnation of the Supreme King, a persona he took on out of despair in the alternate dimension, complete with armor, changed eyes, etc. As The Supreme King, he regularly used Super Polymerization. Not to mention, it is the wielder of The Gentle Darkness, which is big in YGO.

Yubel was able to match post SK Jaden, & obviously, was the one wielding Super Polymerization in their duel, not to mention arguably being above or comparable to The Egyptian Gods.

Ergo, their combined Duelist Spirit, in theory, could be able to amp a De-Fusion to Super Polymerization's Multiversal scale of power.

 

[Crowman123]

What kind of battle Palpatine vs Voldemort would be?

 

[Imaginym]

What kind of battle Palpatine vs Voldemort would be?

I don't know either very well, but Stealth vs tracking Melee?

Voldemort has killing spells, he whispers on the wind. He's often sinister & behind the scenes, no?
But Palpatine is behind the scenes because he's inoccuous & just an old politician. That guise is off if he's fighting you, due to being a Sith, no?

Or has he been known to fight while hiding his powers? Trying to make his use of the Force look like accidents, coincidence, or mere movements or such?

Then again, was Voldemort cautious for a reason? I could've sworn there was something in the series about him fearing Harry or something.
Either way, he'd probably have deadly stuff to go for early on, unless he's sadistic, & if that fails, onto the more unconvential assaults, no?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Welp, more shit for composite existing now

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Should fusing even count as a win?

(As for if there minds merge, yes and no but yes, basically season 4 trys to have it both ways and includes scenes of him talking to yubel but there kinda played off like they could be metaphorical, tho if it can fuse 12 realitys I think it's safe to say it could fuse beings totally like normal fusion dose if it was being used to do so)

 

[Bigdongus]

Godzilla is going to be a Fortnite boss

Um, amogusbros, fallguysbros… we have some competition.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Welp, more shit for composite existing now

Josuke is cooked

 

[Imaginym]

Should fusing even count as a win?

(As for if there minds merge, yes and no but yes, basically season 4 trys to have it both ways and includes scenes of him talking to yubel but there kinda played off like they could be metaphorical, tho if it can fuse 12 realitys I think it's safe to say it could fuse beings totally like normal fusion dose if it was being used to do so)

IDK.

How much freedom does Yubel have post-Fusion? Yubel lacks a body of their own?
Ultimately, the body is still mostly Jaden, even if that might be because Yubel probably cared more about the soul & wasn't interested in overtaking it.
Was there every any indication a Fusee could overtake the other portion?

If Jaden fuses Ben into himself (& that's assuming he doesn't fuse Ben with something that's not either duelist.), is there any chance for Ben to still overtake him?

Heck, what happens if Ben tries to fight, post-Fusion? If it turns into a battle inside the mind/soul, does Ben have the Omnitrix? If it's Alien X, does Ben as the voice of Reason now have to make his decisions pass the votes of Jaden & Yubel? How does Ben fight in that environment?

I'd be confident the other two can do stuff in their soul forms, since I'm pretty sure GX had Astral Projection-like shenanigans AT LEAST once.

Still, De-Fusing Ben from Alien X &/or the Omnitrix could also just work, in theory.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

After repeated rewatches of Eggman vs Bowser over the last several days (can you blame me? It's peak) and thinking about it for awhile? there's one part about the post analysis that bugged me a little.

When they talked about why Bowser was greater in physical stats than Eggman, they mentioned that Bowser was above Yoshi, who scales to the same level of power as the Death Egg which is capable of destroying stars. But that bugs me because they don't mention that Sonic fought against Emerl when he was empowered by star destroying power, and Eggman's consistently created machines which are able to contend with a Sonic that's much stronger than the one who fought against Ultimate Emerl. A better way they could've said that Bowser was stronger than Eggman was using the universal black hole feat from Galaxy 1.

It seems to be a consistent pattern for Death Battle: when they try saying that x character is stronger than y character, they don't use the most straightforward reasoning they have in their arsenal and use borderline backwards reasoning for their conclusions.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

IDK.

How much freedom does Yubel have post-Fusion? Yubel lacks a body of their own?

Well, if you want to count bonds beyind time (we probably shouldn't it's wildly inconsistent with season 4) there Yubel is able to fly around and shoot layers out of her hands indepent of Hayden (granted she was right next to him when she did this)

To straightened it out tho, jayden used ultimate poly to fuse himself with yubel, not the other way around, he did this so yubel could have what she wanted, to be with jayden forever.

 

[Imaginym]

Well, if you want to count bonds beyind time (we probably shouldn't it's wildly inconsistent with season 4) there Yubel is able to fly around and shoot layers out of her hands indepent of Hayden (granted she was right next to him when she did this)

To straightened it out tho, jayden used ultimate poly to fuse himself with yubel, not the other way around, he did this so yubel could have what she wanted, to be with jayden forever.

Yes, but Jaden is the new Supreme King, who uses Super Polymerization, both before & after fusing with her, & even when he's not The Supreme King, as with when he dueled possessed Jesse.
He has the power to wield it, & so does Yubel.

Also, have they not dueled while in soul form?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Yes, but Jaden is the new Supreme King, who uses Super Polymerization, both before & after fusing with her, & even when he's not The Supreme King, as with when he dueled possessed Jesse.
He has the power to wield it, & so does Yubel.

Also, have they not dueled while in soul form?

Yubel definitely has. I've only seen dub GX so haven't watched season 4 first hand, but it feels like something that happened to jayden at least once, he def duels jinjo twice

 

[Imaginym]

Yubel definitely has. I've only seen dub GX so haven't watched season 4 first hand, but it feels like something that happened to jayden at least once, he def duels jinjo twice

I apologize, but I think I should say you're forgetting something:

Super Polymerization

In the Yu-Gi-Oh! GX anime, the "Super Polymerization" card is a symbol of the absolute power and control. Yubel, the spirit of Jaden Yuki's favorite card in childhood, orchestrated this card's creation so she could fuse all 12 dimensions together and rule over them with Jaden at its side. This...

yugioh.fandom.com

As I said earlier....

In episode 152, Jaden uses this card during his Duel against Jesse Anderson while the latter was possessed by Yubel.

Episode 152 is part of Season 3.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I apologize, but I think I should say you're forgetting something:

Super Polymerization

In the Yu-Gi-Oh! GX anime, the "Super Polymerization" card is a symbol of the absolute power and control. Yubel, the spirit of Jaden Yuki's favorite card in childhood, orchestrated this card's creation so she could fuse all 12 dimensions together and rule over them with Jaden at its side. This...

yugioh.fandom.com

As I said earlier....

In episode 152, Jaden uses this card during his Duel against Jesse Anderson while the latter was possessed by Yubel.

Episode 152 is part of Season 3.

I know jayden can use it on his own? I'm not sure what you mean I missed


Edit: sorry I was responding to the spirit form duel thing

 

[Imaginym]

I know jayden can use it on his own? I'm not sure what you mean I missed


Edit: sorry I was responding to the spirit form duel thing

My bad, thanks for the correction.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Is Yugioh still going? And is it still good?

 

[Imaginym]

Is Yugioh still going?

Yu-Gi-Oh! Go Rush!! - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And is it still good?

IDK, haven't kept up with it since ARC-V.

ARC-V is good. 5D's is also good, but 5D's is better enjoyed subbed. ARC-V benefits more from the dub's sillyness, IMHO.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Does Jaden vs Makoto Yuki work as an MU? I don’t know anything about Yugioh it just weirdly vibes.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Josuke is cooked

Only if Ichiban makes it in

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Imaginym]

Does Jaden vs Makoto Yuki work as an MU? I don’t know anything about Yugioh it just weirdly vibes.

Makoto Yuki

It seems that, in addition to Death, fate has also dealt you the wild card. ...You must accept your destiny. Our contract has been fulfilled... I have completed my role as well. ...You were truly a remarkable guest.Igor to the protagonist, Persona 3 Makoto Yuki is the protagonist of Persona...

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Tier: Low 2-C, higher with Willpower | 1-A, higher with Willpower | 1-A, higher with Willpower

Key: Mid-Game | Late-Game | Universe Arcana and Messiah

Jaden Yuki

Jaden Yuki, known as Judai Yuki in the Japanese version, is the main protagonist of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and the reincarnation of The Supreme King. At the end of the third season, he fused his soul with Yubel, his favorite card from childhood, with the use of Super Polymerization to purge her from the...

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Tier: 10-B | 10-B, 2-C after merging with Yubel's soul


Just barely not, sadly. Shame, since Persona vs Yugioh is a fun concept.

Also, Personas have Cognitive Physiology, which is... fun.

Cognitive Physiology

Cognitive Physiology refers to the particular set of characteristics displayed by the main enemies, and allies, of the Megami Tensei franchise. In spite of being dubbed a number of different titles over the series, such as Demons, Shadows & Personas, and even Mirages, all of them ultimately...

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If there's Soul Manipulation stuff (Duel Monster Spirits have dueled regularly & taken damage in Duels.), that MIGHT help, but IDK if it's stuff.

Being fused with Yubel, who has a plethora of powers could also help:

Yubel

It's over! And by ending everything, I claim all of your love for myself, for all eternityYubel to Jaden Yuki Yubel is the main antagonist in the "Dimension World" arc of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX. They are an extremely powerful duel monster spirit who started to have evil intentions since they had been...

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[JoshDoshMosh]

Makoto Yuki

It seems that, in addition to Death, fate has also dealt you the wild card. ...You must accept your destiny. Our contract has been fulfilled... I have completed my role as well. ...You were truly a remarkable guest.Igor to the protagonist, Persona 3 Makoto Yuki is the protagonist of Persona...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Tier: Low 2-C, higher with Willpower | 1-A, higher with Willpower | 1-A, higher with Willpower

Key: Mid-Game | Late-Game | Universe Arcana and Messiah

Jaden Yuki

Jaden Yuki, known as Judai Yuki in the Japanese version, is the main protagonist of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and the reincarnation of The Supreme King. At the end of the third season, he fused his soul with Yubel, his favorite card from childhood, with the use of Super Polymerization to purge her from the...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Tier: 10-B | 10-B, 2-C after merging with Yubel's soul


Just barely not, sadly. Shame, since Persona vs Yugioh is a fun concept.

Also, Personas have Cognitive Physiology, which is... fun.

Cognitive Physiology

Cognitive Physiology refers to the particular set of characteristics displayed by the main enemies, and allies, of the Megami Tensei franchise. In spite of being dubbed a number of different titles over the series, such as Demons, Shadows & Personas, and even Mirages, all of them ultimately...

vsbattles.fandom.com

If there's Soul Manipulation stuff (Duel Monster Spirits have dueled regularly & taken damage in Duels.), that MIGHT help, but IDK if it's stuff.

Being fused with Yubel, who has a plethora of powers could also help:

Yubel

It's over! And by ending everything, I claim all of your love for myself, for all eternityYubel to Jaden Yuki Yubel is the main antagonist in the "Dimension World" arc of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX. They are an extremely powerful duel monster spirit who started to have evil intentions since they had been...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I mean connections wise, I know Makoto possibly(keyword possibly because we don’t know if DB buys 1-A Persona) stomps Jaden. I just think the MU could look cool

 

[Imaginym]

I mean connections wise, I know Makoto possibly(keyword possibly because we don’t know if DB buys 1-A Persona) stomps Jaden. I just think the MU could look cool

Makoto Yuki:
He is an orphan whose parents died on the Moonlight Bridge in their car during a fatal incident a decade before the events of the game. He has dark blue hair unkempt at the front, blue eyes, and a light build, being shorter than average. His bangs cover his right eye. He is often shown with his hands in his pockets. He is very stoic, reserved, and calm, gathered by the fact that he remains unmoved even when guns are pointed at him. He appears very introverted, distant, and aloof since he only observes the conversations of his party members and only speaks when someone is directed at him for his opinion on the matter.

Jaden:
He is headstrong, optimistic, fun loving, and a talented Duelist who loves Dueling as much as he cares for his friends.

Spoiler: A rough history of Jaden SPOILERS FOR YU-GI-OH! GX

He attended Duel Academy and was put in the Slifer Red Dorm, the dorm with the least privileges, due to his poor grades in the entrance exam. As time goes on, he becomes the academy's best Duelist and saves the world and the academy from many threats such as the evil Kagemaru, The Light of Destruction possessed Sartorius, the deranged and manipulative Yubel, and finally the malicious spirit Nightshroud. After three years, he graduates from Duel Academy and pursues his own journey to improve himself.

Personality-wise, they seem like total opposite. Makoto is a smart introvert, Jaden is a prodigious & skilled, book dumb introvert.

I guess they have the commonality of being able to see spirits & using monsters?

In his past, Yubel, then his favorite card, was... overprotective, & often engineered the deaths of his opponents after duels, as well as anyone who'd dare make him sad. The 1st time this happened, it was to a good friend, & Jaden went into a coma. No one would duel him, but he cherished his favorite card too much to throw it away.
Jaden later won a KaibaCorp card design contest... & got to have his 2 cards (& by his request, Yubel.) sent into space. KC wanted to expose them to "space waves". Yubel was exposed to the Light of Destruction, & sent pleas for help, which he received as nightmares, depriving him of sleep from terror. Young Jaden was soon treated for this by a medical procedure that blocked the visions & made him lose memory of this history.

In Season 2, after a loss to Aster, Jaden loses the ability to see his cards, gets on a boat... & ends up sent a place called Dolphina in Neo Space (A Duel Monsters Spirit World.) that is also apparently an uncharted planet near Jupiter. A talking, anthropomorphic dolphin card spirit pep talks him, & an evil alien robot serving evil alien light tries to kill them both, then Jaden can see his cards again, & also he has the Neo-Spacian Archetype now. (Plus Neos, his new ace.)

He later beats a mind controlling apocalypse cult who's boss uses a Tarot-themed deck.

A major character point for Jaden is in Season 3, where a rescue attempt into an Alternate Dimension (Which is a whole arc.) prolongedly makes little progress on finding Jesse, Jaden's new best friend (Same personality, & they could perceive each other's Duel Monster Spirits.), while his other friends were in danger.
He couldn't enjoy dueling because all his friends were dying & multiple universes' fates were at stake & doubts how he's been living is right. He develops The Supreme King alter ego or it brainwashes him (I'm unclear on that.) & becomes the evil overlord. Slaughter, hunting people down, etc.

Season 4 wasn't localized, & involves soul searching, & a villain of darkness named Trueman, IIRC.

At the end, Jaden duels Yugi. We see most of it, but the ending is left unshown; We cut from an inconclusive moment to Jaden in the desert, who's resolved to continue his journey.

IDK Makoto Yuki that well, so I'm unsure how (dis)similar he & Jaden's experiences are.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Makoto Yuki:
He is an orphan whose parents died on the Moonlight Bridge in their car during a fatal incident a decade before the events of the game. He has dark blue hair unkempt at the front, blue eyes, and a light build, being shorter than average. His bangs cover his right eye. He is often shown with his hands in his pockets. He is very stoic, reserved, and calm, gathered by the fact that he remains unmoved even when guns are pointed at him. He appears very introverted, distant, and aloof since he only observes the conversations of his party members and only speaks when someone is directed at him for his opinion on the matter.

Jaden:
He is headstrong, optimistic, fun loving, and a talented Duelist who loves Dueling as much as he cares for his friends.

Spoiler: A rough history of Jaden SPOILERS FOR YU-GI-OH! GX

He attended Duel Academy and was put in the Slifer Red Dorm, the dorm with the least privileges, due to his poor grades in the entrance exam. As time goes on, he becomes the academy's best Duelist and saves the world and the academy from many threats such as the evil Kagemaru, The Light of Destruction possessed Sartorius, the deranged and manipulative Yubel, and finally the malicious spirit Nightshroud. After three years, he graduates from Duel Academy and pursues his own journey to improve himself.

Personality-wise, they seem like total opposite. Makoto is a smart introvert, Jaden is a prodigious & skilled, book dumb introvert.

I guess they have the commonality of being able to see spirits & using monsters?

In his past, Yubel, then his favorite card, was... overprotective, & often engineered the deaths of his opponents after duels, as well as anyone who'd dare make him sad. The 1st time this happened, it was to a good friend, & Jaden went into a coma. No one would duel him, but he cherished his favorite card too much to throw it away.
Jaden later won a KaibaCorp card design contest... & got to have his 2 cards (& by his request, Yubel.) sent into space. KC wanted to expose them to "space waves". Yubel was exposed to the Light of Destruction, & sent pleas for help, which he received as nightmares, depriving him of sleep from terror. Young Jaden was soon treated for this by a medical procedure that blocked the visions & made him lose memory of this history.

In Season 2, after a loss to Aster, Jaden loses the ability to see his cards, gets on a boat... & ends up sent a place called Dolphina in Neo Space (A Duel Monsters Spirit World.) that is also apparently an uncharted planet near Jupiter. A talking, anthropomorphic dolphin card spirit pep talks him, & an evil alien robot serving evil alien light tries to kill them both, then Jaden can see his cards again, & also he has the Neo-Spacian Archetype now. (Plus Neos, his new ace.)

He later beats a mind controlling apocalypse cult who's boss uses a Tarot-themed deck.

A major character point for Jaden is in Season 3, where a rescue attempt into an Alternate Dimension (Which is a whole arc.) prolongedly makes little progress on finding Jesse, Jaden's new best friend (Same personality, & they could perceive each other's Duel Monster Spirits.), while his other friends were in danger.
He couldn't enjoy dueling because all his friends were dying & multiple universes' fates were at stake & doubts how he's been living is right. He develops The Supreme King alter ego or it brainwashes him (I'm unclear on that.) & becomes the evil overlord. Slaughter, hunting people down, etc.

Season 4 wasn't localized, & involves soul searching, & a villain of darkness named Trueman, IIRC.

At the end, Jaden duels Yugi. We see most of it, but the ending is left unshown; We cut from an inconclusive moment to Jaden in the desert, who's resolved to continue his journey.

IDK Makoto Yuki that well, so I'm unsure how (dis)similar he & Jaden's experiences are.

Basic idea I had for a connection between the two is their last name and they have a dark force sealed inside them

 

[Imaginym]

Basic idea I had for a connection between the two is their last name and they have a dark force sealed inside them

Sort of works. Jaden did temporarily have that The Supreme King possession/reincarnation/alter ego thing. (Not quite sure how it worked.) & he also has The Gentle Darkness.
I'd wanna see it.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Tbh, you should def play Persona, you may like

 

[Imaginym]

Tbh, you should def play Persona, you may like

I know of the series. I prefer SMT on philosophical/moral & party-building principles.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Fair, I just thought Persona would be closer to Yugioh and Pokémon aesthetics wise

 

[Imaginym]

Fair, I just thought Persona would be closer to Yugioh and Pokémon aesthetics wise

I have played Dx2, & enjoyed it, FWIW. (Yes, I know, mobile game....)

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

How does TF2 Pyro vs Michael Myers sound?