DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Redite250]

Bowser is f*cked after the end of the fight anyways, Sage is about to grab the Mario bros and plot a whole ass insurrection

 

[Theuser789]

Once again, the Phantom Ruby is vague and contradictory in Forces itself and Bowser can be argued to have his more potent hax readily available compared to Eggman. Once again, the debate is literally a coin flip so I don’t think neither the researchers/Ultraguy nor Death Battle were trying to actively screw over Eggman.

Not really, but I already expect Sonic needing explicit proof for everything he does versus any other series in Death Battle.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Spoiler

Why wasn't Lightman and the Egg Field considered in the main argument?

Their reasoning was both required preptime and would be outscaled by Dreamy/Wonder Bowser anyways.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I am surprised that not many people made that comparison sooner, the only difference is that researchers weren’t cyberbullied and impersonated to get them fired nor was the discussion page locked for extended periods of time for Bowsegg.

Holy shit I forgot that happened with billcord........man that episode had a really toxic buildup. Bowsegg gets a poitn for best pre fight waiting period

 

[Tipper17]

DJTiki said that Lightman wasn't a thing when he first wrote the fight. He even wrote the battle way before the Mario movie released.

ok tho why dreamy bowser and whatever didn't appear?

 

[ShionAH]

ok tho why dreamy bowser and whatever didn't appear?

it appears in the possibility scenes where he erases the time eater

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Did they even give a reason why Sage would just give up or how Bowser deals with her if he can't kill her? Or did they just give up?

It's called BOWSER vs EGGMAN. Sage could kill bowser afterwards but bowser is much more likely to kill eggman himself before that

this isn't eggman vs wiley come on.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

ok tho why dreamy bowser and whatever didn't appear?

he appears in alternate scenarios.

 

[Netoriman]

I've only skimmed Sonic pages on here, nothing Mario.
Does Eggman + his army beats Bowser + his army on here?

 

[Theuser789]

Oh well, see you all in a couple years or such when another game Sonic character is dragged to lose again, unless it's Archie or a stomp.

 

[ZeedKZ]

ok tho why dreamy bowser and whatever didn't appear?

He said that Fury was cooler in their opinions, he was the main choice for a giant Bowser.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I have to say that this was genuinely one of the best Death Battle episodes ever. While I think I disagree with the outcome (I'm not very knowledgeable on the Sonic franchise, so this website is my only reference for where Eggman and co. should be scaled), everything else was genuinely great! The next time is whatever, but eh, it might be fun.

 

[Jiangshi1]

Did they even give a reason why Sage would just give up or how Bowser deals with her if he can't kill her? Or did they just give up?

My main guess was that with the Death Egg turned into a block shortly before Eggman got Team Rocket'd into it, it could be assumed she was still in it and got transmuted along or she couldn't get a proper adjustment or there wasn't anything around she could effectively use to counter in time...

And they forgot she had BFR too

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

ok tho why dreamy bowser and whatever didn't appear?

It appeared in one of the alternate scenerios they showed during the post-fight analysis.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Not really, but I already expect Sonic needing explicit proof for everything he does versus any other series in Death Battle.

I am sad that you didn’t enjoy the episode as much as the rest of us. Maybe someday you will get your dream episode that gows your way.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

So after watching the fight, I got three things that are currently on my mind so I apologize if I sound like I'm just rambling:

1. I absolutely called it when I said weeks ago that the premise of the fight was that Eggman acted as the aggressor while Bowser was the defender against Eggman's conquest.

2. I want to wag my finger at the guy who came to the conclusion involving the Phantom Ruby. Because while it is true that the Phantom Ruby's illusions are as a result of one's perception being manipulated, it's not mentioned that the illusions themselves exist in reality itself when one is under the control of the Phantom Ruby. I can accept the Wonder Flower being a better reality warping item, but that is pretty disappointing what they said about the Phantom Ruby.

3. One nice piece of detail that I thought was genuinely sweet was Bowser protecting his minions while struggling against the effects of the Phantom Ruby. That, alongside him getting angry when Metal hurt Jr, was like Death Battle's way of conveying that Bowser genuinely cares for his troops as much as they are loyal to them.

My apologies for rambling, but those are just my initial thoughts about the episode as a whole. Overall? It's an easy 10/10 for me, and I'm not afraid of saying Bowser vs Eggman is now one of my favorite DB episodes of all time.

 

[Tipper17]

Bowsegg-8.5-9
Gioker-7-7.5
Omnidock- 6-7

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I've only skimmed Sonic pages on here, nothing Mario.
Does Eggman + his army beats Bowser + his army on here?

Yes. That's probably what will create the most friction.

Sonic scales higher here than most other scaling circles due to the site ecosystem and other shit.

The DB community thinks it's a coin toss, super debatable.

 

[RanHover60]

My main guess was that with the Death Egg turned into a block shortly before Eggman got Team Rocket'd into it, it could be assumed she was still in it and got transmuted

We see Sage in the post fight cutscene which, better than having one of the kids die.

Plus I don’t actually think they gave bowser a way to properly interact with her anyways

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

And they forgot she had BFR too

They didn't. They mentioned in a black box that the Koopa Troop had dimensional travel, so they could've escaped Cyber Space.

 

[ShionAH]

Orbot and Cubot actually did something, I cannot believe this

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Run for the hills, Ganon bros...

 

[ShawnFaux]

Welp, I dipped out for a few weeks because I wasn't all that interested in the MU, only for DB to reveal that the next MU is one I care even less about. Oh well

Credit where it's due though, this episode was well made.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

My main guess was that with the Death Egg turned into a block shortly before Eggman got Team Rocket'd into it, it could be assumed she was still in it and got transmuted along or she couldn't get a proper adjustment or there wasn't anything around she could effectively use to counter in time...

She's shown alive at the end......probably plotting something

And they forgot she had BFR too

Interdimentional travel

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I'm now afraid that AmonGuys could be peak

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Run for the hills, Ganon bros...

when you realise shadow the hedgehog is kinda biblical

 

[ShionAH]

She's shown alive at the end......probably plotting something

Am I the only one who assumed they were probably planning on how they can bring Eggman back?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Once again, the Phantom Ruby is vague and contradictory in Forces itself and Bowser can be argued to have his more potent hax readily available compared to Eggman. Once again, the debate is literally a coin flip so I don’t think neither the researchers/Ultraguy nor Death Battle were trying to actively screw over Eggman.

I will say the Phantom Ruby not having Reality Warping is legitimately wrong, but it's a minor point ig

 

[Dust_Collector]

The time of Ganon soloing both armies has passed, now is the time for Bowser and Eggman casually knocking on that frauds door to demand a fight.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

And they forgot she had BFR too

I mean death battle was never going to list every ability for every troop in the army. Sage could warrant an entire death battle herself in terms of research.

Both sides have several options for dimensional travel and BFR so It would likely just be stuck with all the other hax abilities the two sides had.

 

[ShionAH]

I will say Eggman is the real winner for catfishing Bowser fr

 

[Redite250]

I'm now afraid that AmonGuys could be peak

You're still in doubt? It's gonna be peak

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

The time of Ganon soloing both armies has passed, now is the time for Bowser and Eggman casually knocking on that frauds door to demand a fight.

Just wait for the next Rematch Vote. Well, assuming there ever is another one...

 

[Theuser789]

They didn't. They mentioned in a black box that the Koopa Troop had dimensional travel, so they could've escaped Cyber Space.

Sage seals people inside Cyber Cages, tho... It's not just BFR. And when you break the sealing, you get corrupted.

I am gone for good now, btw. I was just still receiving notifications from quoted posts.

 

[ShionAH]

The GOAT, if he kept running he would have escaped

 

[TMaakkonen]

Oh, if we count time between episodes via eps themselves, Goomba + Koopa are now kings per returning after 186 eps. Kratos wont beat this via ep count, tho he will probably beat it by actual time.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Did they even give a reason why Sage would just give up or how Bowser deals with her if he can't kill her? Or did they just give up?

No, but it's also implied with the ending card that Sage is just plotting rather than giving up so she likely plans to do something just not immediately. They likely have arguments on Bowser dealing with her however they simplified the results about her to more of a minimum due to Bowsers lack of tech to hack + sheer numbers and possibilities resulting in her plan efficiency being limited for the current battle at hand. My bet is they did that so that they didn't have to argue on actual child murder which I don't think anybody here should really be complain about lol

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Sage seals people inside Cyber Cages, tho... It's not just BFR. And when you break the sealing, you get corrupted.

I am gone for good now, btw. I was just still receiving notifications from quoted posts.

been a while since i checked out frontiers, but do they become unconscious when trapped in cages? Cause they could just teleport out and it wouldn't break the sealing

 

[Tyranno223]

Gonna be honest, Metal Sonic really did go hard in this one. If he didn't lose the Emeralds (for the animation), he would have cleaned house. He was a menace.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

No, but it's also implied with the ending card that Sage is just plotting rather than giving up so she likely plans to do something just not immediately. They likely have arguments on Bowser dealing with her however they simplified the results about her to more of a minimum due to Bowsers lack of tech to hack + sheer numbers and possibilities resulting in her plan efficiency being limited for the current battle at hand. My bet is they did that so that they didn't have to argue on actual child murder which I don't think anybody here should really be complain about lol

nah child murder is peak