DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[BlackDarkness679]

Did Death Battle EVER use the site as evidence? Like ever referenced it?

Sometimes when linking to calcs or explanations on some things, some threads i made were linked when having Q & A still a thing

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

In fairness to the G1 blog: Tails' statement was a hypothetical assumption, and if there's no in game implications of there being an infinite amount of timelines then I can understand why they wouldn't use it.

Now of course you could argue that Tails is a reputable enough source of information where such a statement could be taken seriously, but I guess it's still a better than safe situation since Tails only there could be an infinite amount of timelines.

 

[TheGatememer]

Did Death Battle EVER use the site as evidence? Like ever referenced it?

Technically, they used a scan that could only be found in my sandbox in a QnA

 

[Theuser789]

Alright. I read the G1 blog. Not to be biased but I thought the Eggman arguments were much better than the Bowser ones. Bowser people had no answer to Sage's sealing or the Egg Field, while Eggman's side countered everything except Spirit Balls (since the "flashlight" Luigi uses is special Dark Light, not a regular one) and maybe transmutation. They're also fairer on the stats, too.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Just 4 hours left.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

That might be a you problem. I still find the latter impressive when I'm watching a show.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Did Death Battle EVER use the site as evidence? Like ever referenced it?

I remember that for Link vs Cloud 2 they actually used some of my vids on Cloud's profile for his presentation (it's easy to tell they are the same when noticing the HP and MP at the battle menu are the exact same), and the explanation on Supernova destroying dimensions was a translation I requested to Chocomilkalex and was using in the profiles as well. Also in one of the QA blogs regarding the results while addressing the question if Cloud would be able to bypass LInk's intangibility when Link uses his Magic Cape actually responded by linking another of my vids of Cloud destroying ghosts.

 

[TartaChocholate]

That might be a you problem. I still find the latter impressive when I'm watching a show.

Yeh... I still remember than in my pre VS wiki days (essentially before I got into VS debating altogether), I thought that Planet busting and surpassing lightspeed was the absolute peak you could achieve, reserved to the heaviest hitters in fiction, Dragon Ball characters and superheroes. =P

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I mean, in real terms, even something as "small" in cosmic terms as a Solar System is still incomprehensibly huge to human minds.

Like, if you've ever lived in the country, and you know lots of little interesting details about the land just around you, weird nooks and crannys, funny points in the landscape, then think about how the whole earth is covered in stuff like that, and that mars and venus and mercury all have pretty much similar amounts of quirks, then that Jupiter and gas giants have thousands of times the surface area, and that's not even getting into all the moons and asteroids, of which there are astronomical amounts, then remember that something like 98% of the Solar Systems mass is in the Sun, and then that the Solar System in totality is almost entirely empty space, and you may begin to get an idea of just how little you can really comprehend its vastness.

This reminds me of this video from Veritasium about how people don't really understand the scale of the universe.

 

[TartaChocholate]

It's really not a thing just Zelda power scalers going with the highest ends without really thinking about it lol. The null scaling to the goddesses thing I brought up in my comment falls apart during the ending of the game, bro explictly cannot perform feats even remotely close to their level without using something containing their power, but for some reason his sealing hax affecting them somehow gets equated to him physically being stronger than all 3 of them combined.

I mean... don't blame us, we got excited... >_>;

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

My final thoughts on the episode before it fully releases: I am decently confident that Eggman and Bowser will be relative to each other the stat trinity, with Bowser edging out in strength while Eggman edges out in speed. Both will pretty much equal hax which will cancel each other's options to a very close degree, but Death Battle will argue that Bowser has certain abilities which Eggman has no reliable counter to.

I'm betting on Bowser winning this fight, but I shall forever root for the doctor's victory over the Koopa King.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Yeh... I still remember than in my pre VS wiki days (essentially before I got into VS debating altogether), I thought that Planet busting and surpassing lightspeed was the absolute peak you could achieve, reserved to the heaviest hitters in fiction, Dragon Ball characters and superheroes. =P

That's what I thought too, but obviously things have changed. Funnily enough, I think getting into vs debating made me appreciate higher end feats more, but also somehow made "weaker" feats seem even more hype.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I mean... don't blame us, we got excited... >_>;

Listen I got excited too, all the pieces were falling into place for Null to be the strongest character in the series, then I got to the final boss and it turns out he's fodder to a single triforce piece and can't pull off a planet level feat even with an amp. Crazy how they basically pulled another Demise with Null lmao.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Did Death Battle EVER use the site as evidence? Like ever referenced it?

Pretty sure they directly mentioned this wiki in one of the DB Casts

 

[ShionAH]

Pretty sure they directly mentioned this wiki in one of the DB Casts

They did in Pennywise vs Freddy yeah

Making fun of us lol

 

[Dust_Collector]

They did in Pennywise vs Freddy yeah

Making fun of us lol

I forgot they made fun of us lol that's awesome

 

[Theuser789]

They did in Pennywise vs Freddy yeah

Making fun of us lol

Pot calling the kettle black moment.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[TartaChocholate]

Listen I got excited too, all the pieces were falling into place for Null to be the strongest character in the series, then I got to the final boss and it turns out he's fodder to a single triforce piece and can't pull off a planet level feat even with an amp. Crazy how they basically pulled another Demise with Null lmao.

Yeah, that was pretty ass. Here I was deluding myself that he was weakened or something and was just using the Triforce to cover for his lost power or something. Honestly, they could have just done that... have Null say something like "Mwaahahaha! I may not have my full power, but I at the very least I can still plunge this world into nothingness with this bit of the Prime Energy!" or something.

 

[TartaChocholate]

That's what I thought too, but obviously things have changed. Funnily enough, I think getting into vs debating made me appreciate higher end feats more, but also somehow made "weaker" feats seem even more hype.

Something similar here, but with the addition of making me less afraid of creating powerful characters when writting stuff. Before I thought that having a country level character would make a story unmanageable.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

They did in Pennywise vs Freddy yeah

Making fun of us lol

Because of Outerversal Pennywise, I assume? I guess to casuals who don't know anything about the Dark Towers cosmology or the lore of the Macroverse, they'd be utterly baffled at the idea of Pennywise apparently being strong enough to solo the Dragon Ball franchise.

Hell I don't blame them: if you're someone who isn't into power scaling and look at what Pennywise did through casual lenses, you'd probably be confused about how some shapeshifting clown lost to a couple of humans when he's suppose to be some cosmically powerful entity without knowing the context behind how he lost to begin with.

 

[Dust_Collector]

King Bob-omb is the GOAT, nobody doing it like him

Yeah, that was pretty ass. Here I was deluding myself that he was weakened or something and was just using the Triforce to cover for his lost power or something. Honestly, they could have just done that... have Null say something like "Mwaahahaha! I may not have my full power, but I at the very least I can still plunge this world into nothingness with this bit of the Prime Energy!" or something.

That's what I thought was going to happen, like his billions of years of imprisonment or whatever made him weaker but nah, dude was basically just an annoying bug the goddesses decided to just trap under a bowl or something. At least Null's got some of the bext hax in the series, deadass can just seal anyone in the verse if he's able to catch them in his rift.

 

[Theuser789]

Even if Bowser won the blog it's still not a guaranteed Egg L and at the very least it respected both characters without odd downplay.

There was some odd downplay. Dismissing Dream Depot or Maginary World scaling was very weird, and most of the counter arguments against infinite/immeasurable for Sonic were made just so Eggman doesn't stomp. It was better than normal, don't get me wrong, but it was still a little iffy.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

King Bob-omb is the GOAT, nobody doing it like him

Him being the first boss on SM64 already makes him one of the most iconic bosses on gaming, in my opinion

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Because of Outerversal Pennywise, I assume? I guess to casuals who don't know anything about the Dark Towers cosmology or the lore of the Macroverse, they'd be utterly baffled at the idea of Pennywise apparently being strong enough to solo the Dragon Ball franchise.

Hell I don't blame them: if you're someone who isn't into power scaling and look at what Pennywise did through casual lenses, you'd probably be confused about how some shapeshifting clown lost to a couple of humans when he's suppose to be some cosmically powerful entity without knowing the context behind how he lost to begin with.

Btw i have bought the original IT book, i will see if the Movie really downplayed Pennywise or if he is a true FRAUD even at his peak

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Because of Outerversal Pennywise, I assume? I guess to casuals who don't know anything about the Dark Towers cosmology or the lore of the Macroverse, they'd be utterly baffled at the idea of Pennywise apparently being strong enough to solo the Dragon Ball franchise.

Hell I don't blame them: if you're someone who isn't into power scaling and look at what Pennywise did through casual lenses, you'd probably be confused about how some shapeshifting clown lost to a couple of humans when he's suppose to be some cosmically powerful entity without knowing the context behind how he lost to begin with.

I imagine if they ever do Arceus vs Aslan, a similar thing will occur. Lord knows I was caught off-guard by the absurdity of the Narnia cosmology...

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

That's what I thought was going to happen, like his billions of years of imprisonment or whatever made him weaker but nah, dude was basically just an annoying bug the goddesses decided to just trap under a bowl or something. At least Null's got some of the bext hax in the series, deadass can just seal anyone in the verse if he's able to catch them in his rift.

I remember when Majora was considered Low 2-C on here due to that guidebook statement which said Majora corrupted the universe of Termina, including it's space and time, and the Triforce upscaled above that. Talk about a massive downgrade in glowup.

Btw i have bought the original IT book, i will see if the Movie really downplayed Pennywise or if he is a true FRAUD even at his peak

Dude dresses as a clown, guy's already a fraud as is

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Btw i have bought the original IT book, i will see if the Movie really downplayed Pennywise or if he is a true FRAUD even at his peak

The movie doesn't have the scene of the Loser's Club actually entering the deadlights to confront the real It, so yeah. It downplays him.

 

[TMaakkonen]

I think DB used the old bad Wario Storm King calc but didnt credit VSW.

 

[TartaChocholate]

That's what I thought was going to happen, like his billions of years of imprisonment or whatever made him weaker but nah, dude was basically just an annoying bug the goddesses decided to just trap under a bowl or something. At least Null's got some of the bext hax in the series, deadass can just seal anyone in the verse if he's able to catch them in his rift.

I guess, they don't want to just upstage Ganondorf? Though they already kind of did with Majora. His rifts also have Void manip at least, don't they?

I remember when Majora was considered Low 2-C on here due to that guidebook statement which said Majora corrupted the universe of Termina, including it's space and time, and the Triforce upscaled above that. Talk about a massive downgrade in glowup.

My jaw still hurts for that one-two that led to losing universal Link.

 

[Theuser789]

I think DB used the old bad Wario Storm King calc but didnt credit VSW.

They used the continent moving calc from this wikia as well in Shadow vs Ryuko.

 

[Tyranno223]

I think DB used the old bad Wario Storm King calc but didnt credit VSW.

I remember their Sauron analysis took some stuff from (our admittedly garbage at the time) pages. Though mostly in addressing things they disagreed with. Was a great blog to get ideas from, even if I nowadays think it's pretty wrong in a lot of areas.

G1 did something similar with their Morgoth vs Sinestro stuff.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I guess, they don't want to just upstage Ganondorf? Though they already kind of did with Majora. His rifts also have Void manip at least, don't they?

I mean technically they did have Null upstage him, he controls a copy of Ganon which has the same strength and powers of the original (Minus the Triforce of Power) and while not as physically powerful as other villains like him (When he's got that Triforce piece or his secret stone) and Majora, in terms of scale and danger he's the biggest threat in the whole series since if he wasn't stopped all of reality would be erased from existence.

 

[TartaChocholate]

I mean technically they did have Null upstage him, he controls a copy of Ganon which has the same strength and powers of the original (Minus the Triforce of Power) and while not as physically powerful as other villains like him (When he's got that Triforce piece or his secret stone) and Majora, in terms of scale and danger he's the biggest threat in the whole series since if he wasn't stopped all of reality would be erased from existence.

Ah, right, that's true. I had forgotten about that Echo. In the end it was never revealed where the real Ganon was, was it?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Nope, real Ganon's fate is left up for debate. But given that Echoes of living things seemingly can't be made without the original being defeated or killed...

It doesn't bode well for Ganon what happened to him before the events of the game.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[TartaChocholate]

Nope, real Ganon's fate is left up for debate. But given that Echoes of living things seemingly can't be made without the original being defeated or killed...

It doesn't bode well for Ganon what happened to him before the events of the game.

Weird to just left that up in the air. I don't think they made Echoes of Wisdom hinting a sequel right away?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Weird to just left that up in the air. I don't think they made Echoes of Wisdom hinting a sequel right away?

Yeah they don't set up anything like a sequel, Null gets nuked and Tri says jobs done and goes home. But since this game likely takes place in the downfall timeline Ganon will be back, dude doesn't stay dead for more than a week in that timeline.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Yeah they don't set up anything like a sequel, Null gets nuked and Tri says jobs done and goes home. But since this game likely takes place in the downfall timeline Ganon will be back, dude doesn't stay dead for more than a week in that timeline.

More like he doesn't stay dead for more than a DAY, it feels like sometimes...

 

[Tipper17]