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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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was a cool blog ngl
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Berserker and Wrath can't be used no matter what if the team is using Asura with the Karma Fortress mantra, so that scratches those off immediately
Fallen form will likely be his base state, Vajra/6-armed Vajra are also likely going to be included, same with his Destroyer form. Those 3 are a likely lock, as each are a form he uses in the final chapter. If it comes down to it though, his whole but damaged state will likely be his final model used for when his wrath empowers his accelerated development, like against Chakravartin.
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Not enough interest on the franchise
I would personally like to research the verse tbh, not due to being a fan but just to see how powerful the wacky stuff inside of it can get
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Roshi slams 1v1, but he's probably weaker physically.
Yamcha does probably scale to Tien, since he held his own for a while against a guy way stronger than him.
Tien, in the manga, is stronger iirc, he has some Frost or Magetta scaling.
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I feel the climax has to be Power of Hope Kratos vs unlimited mantra mode Asura when he fought Chakravatin as a call back to both final boss mu (Fear Zeus,Final Form Chakravatin)
Feels more impactful especially if destructor gets in and most likely get one shotted if they use his giant mode
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Might help to get a General Discussion going. See who's become interested over the decades, gather some sandboxes.
I don't blame you for wanting research, but it's easier to build a house with an already existing foundation, & so gathering the feats from that blog could be a start. You want I should do that?
Unrelatedly, I'm confused about an ability of Golden Experience:
How the heck does its sense acceleration ability work?
Like, it speeds up the affected's perception, so I guess, it's kind of like being the Flash, but only mentally, where your senses distort your perception of time so that moments feel like eternities....
But haven't there been scenes where the affected think they're moving fast, or perceive themselves as moving? How did they think they were moving if they weren't actually undergoing sufficient time to perform the movements they thought they were?
Perhaps I'd be less confused if it were phrased more like "It increases the rate of external sensory input reception" or something?
After all, while the target does perceive stuff more quickly, the fact that they aren't able to act on it is critical. They're just... doing something akin to perceiving reality at a higher rate, even if their physical "inputs" still have the same "cooldown".
Also, wouldn't they still be able to react & defend themselves from Giorno at the same rate regardless, since their physical reactions haven't been actually slowed?
Is this some kind of comical tripping over their own feet thing?
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Yeah, that would be a great moment. It would be great if it would last a while on its own, and I get the feeling this fight I'd going to be longer than usual with the intro already being a minute long.
Still betting on an Asura win, even if it may be unlikely.
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"Nude"@AnAverageUsername what forms you think is needed in kratos vs Asura
Kratos and Asura are gonna show us what a real Greek battle looks like
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Yeah, i recommend do that and personally uses this method a lot
As an example, a lot of my personal research on Looney Tunes was heavily helped by other people scalings
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ZeNoviceArtist
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You're a boomer?
ZeNoviceArtist
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I feel only 4 of these Asura forms will appear.
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Hey, how would you guys feel about Static vs Magneto. Not really many connections but it would be cool to see a battle between them.
ZeNoviceArtist
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Are the connections about oppression and racial stuff (Static being African-American and Magneto being Jewish)?
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I like the vibe but don't want to see Static get slaughtered
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While all Ash's Pokémon will be taken account of in the analysis, I wonder which ones will actually get an important part in the battle
Pikachu
Charizard
Tauros (30)
Snorlax
Sceptile
Infernape
Gible
Snivy
Krookodile
Greninja
Lycanroc
Incineroar
Naganadel
Mr. Mime
Dragonite
Gengar
Lucario
Are my best guesses (And this many probably won't get a major part, at best maybe you'll see your favourite in the background)
Pikachu
Charizard
Tauros (30)
Snorlax
Sceptile
Infernape
Gible
Snivy
Krookodile
Greninja
Lycanroc
Incineroar
Naganadel
Mr. Mime
Dragonite
Gengar
Lucario
Are my best guesses (And this many probably won't get a major part, at best maybe you'll see your favourite in the background)
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I hope it’s not brought up but I feel like the wiki would. I just want it to be strongest electromagnetic manipulators
he can clutch it I swear
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pikachi,charizard and Greninja are a lock imo
i think we may just see 1 per generation
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Assuming they don't just give Ash a canon team, I'd put money on the 30 Tauros showing up just because it's the most casual flex move Ash has which isn't that hard to do relatively (since every Tauros would just be the same model repeating)
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They get an out of body experience where the brain thinks its stronger and faster, but in actuality they are so overwhelmed by the senses overload they stay in place like easy target
Sorta similar to genjutsu, in the sense you believe something goes the way its presented to you, but in reality you are just standing in place
There is also an example more realistic explained by some guys on youtube on Kengan Ashura, a fighter thought he was pummeling down on another in the last moment only to figure out late he was caught in his grip already and unconscious instead
All the victims have it that they perceive a scenario that seems to their advantage at first only to be revealed they are in a vulnerable spot
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Looking at JokerGiorno animation they might only use Pikachu, Charizard, Greninja & Solgaleo lol
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Yes, but WHY does it happen?
Is it just the mind literally not being in the body? Why should having their senses super-active make them unable to move? If their senses are super-active, how do they not perceive that they haven't moved?
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Asura will probably be normal, 6 armed, Destructor giant and then small again.
Making a fight story is ez, they could have make Asura be aware of Kratos' past and thus he wants to eliminate another cruel uncaring god, while Kratos tries to say that he has changed his ways. And if Kratos wins, he can do le epic "we must be better" speech and promise to not be asshole.
Making a fight story is ez, they could have make Asura be aware of Kratos' past and thus he wants to eliminate another cruel uncaring god, while Kratos tries to say that he has changed his ways. And if Kratos wins, he can do le epic "we must be better" speech and promise to not be asshole.
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Its simple like a magic trick presented to you, visual illusions like thinking there is a hole in the ground or object is 3D when its not or tricks like thinking a fake hand is actually your real one and a hammer slam makes you believe it hit your real hand yet it actually didnt
The mind believes the events they sense as true despite not being real, simple as that, now imagine these amped to the extreme degree that jojo does, the body doesnt realize unless shown to them its fake
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I was thinking of what would cause more salt in Kratos vs Asura and honestly outside of places like this I'd imagine Kratos winning would cause the most. To casual audiances Kratos is at best multi-continental or planetary via scaling above Atlas (And that might be kinda generous given that due to GOW 2018 and Ragnarok a lot of people might think Atlas was just holding up Greece) and isn't that impressive speed wise, whereas Asura casually blows up multiple planets and stars on screen and fly across the galaxy in like 2 mins or something.
Hell I remember moistcritical watching Asura beat the shit outta Chakravartin in that white space during his playthrough and he asked how anyone could think Kratos would stand a chance in a fight with him while the entire chat were like "TF is Kratos even meant to do against Asura lmao". Universal Kratos is a hard sell for casual audiances and hell it's even extremely contentious in actual vs debates and power scaling discussions.
Hell I remember moistcritical watching Asura beat the shit outta Chakravartin in that white space during his playthrough and he asked how anyone could think Kratos would stand a chance in a fight with him while the entire chat were like "TF is Kratos even meant to do against Asura lmao". Universal Kratos is a hard sell for casual audiances and hell it's even extremely contentious in actual vs debates and power scaling discussions.
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Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
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Yeah, Kraktonks beating Featsman is going to cause unimaginable levels of salt.
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Also thinking on previous Mayro and Sanic episodes this is how I can see them going for stats:
Base Forms (Or standard mechs in Eggmans case): Both will likely be put at planetary at the very least. Last few Mario characters (Mario himself and Wario) were placed at this level and the last time a game Sonic character was used (Shadow) they also accepted planetary base forms... kinda? Shadow got scaling to that continent moving feat with his inhibitors off but they were also doing the classic "Keep the winning character as low as possible" to make the fight seem more fair that it actually was, given that Sonic beating Perfect Chaos is no longer the only instance of a base form character beating a villain that previously needed a super form (Shadow beats Metal Overlord) I can see them placing Eggmans standard mechs and the actual threats in army (Metal Sonic, Sage, etc...) above the output of a Chaos Emerald.
I can see universal high ends being brought up for base forms as well, Wario had that shit black boxed when he fought Dedede and I can see DB pushing adventure era super forms at that level as a high end but I don't think they'll consider that era as solidly universal as the modern era.
Super Forms (Dreamy / PH Bowser, Time Eater / Lightman / Eggwizard or whatever): I think both will solidly get universal or some degree of multiversal. Dreams in Mario and Sonic have been shown to be their own universes and then you got stuff from SPM and Generations & '06 with explict destruction of multiple universes (Plus they black boxed universal and above super forms in Shadow vs Ryuko on the basis that if you used IF to make Ryuko universal then Shadow still trumps that via better feats from Solaris)
Speed I have no idea, base Sonic characters at the moment are relativistic (33% speed of light) up to SOL with stuff like the light speed attack, Mario characters are in the same ballpark (Not counting light speed dash) and it's been years since either a (game) Sonic character or Mario character have showed up so who knows if they'll change that.
Base Forms (Or standard mechs in Eggmans case): Both will likely be put at planetary at the very least. Last few Mario characters (Mario himself and Wario) were placed at this level and the last time a game Sonic character was used (Shadow) they also accepted planetary base forms... kinda? Shadow got scaling to that continent moving feat with his inhibitors off but they were also doing the classic "Keep the winning character as low as possible" to make the fight seem more fair that it actually was, given that Sonic beating Perfect Chaos is no longer the only instance of a base form character beating a villain that previously needed a super form (Shadow beats Metal Overlord) I can see them placing Eggmans standard mechs and the actual threats in army (Metal Sonic, Sage, etc...) above the output of a Chaos Emerald.
I can see universal high ends being brought up for base forms as well, Wario had that shit black boxed when he fought Dedede and I can see DB pushing adventure era super forms at that level as a high end but I don't think they'll consider that era as solidly universal as the modern era.
Super Forms (Dreamy / PH Bowser, Time Eater / Lightman / Eggwizard or whatever): I think both will solidly get universal or some degree of multiversal. Dreams in Mario and Sonic have been shown to be their own universes and then you got stuff from SPM and Generations & '06 with explict destruction of multiple universes (Plus they black boxed universal and above super forms in Shadow vs Ryuko on the basis that if you used IF to make Ryuko universal then Shadow still trumps that via better feats from Solaris)
Speed I have no idea, base Sonic characters at the moment are relativistic (33% speed of light) up to SOL with stuff like the light speed attack, Mario characters are in the same ballpark (Not counting light speed dash) and it's been years since either a (game) Sonic character or Mario character have showed up so who knows if they'll change that.
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Pretty much.
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But- but, they don't look like universes; therefore, they aren't. (I know for a fact that someone has argued that somewhere).
Yep, but sadly, other people aren't.
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Just realized Fire God Liu Kang is a base Ryu victim according to this site
vsbattles.fandom.com
Liu Kang (Second Timeline)
Shaolin monk and Champion of Earthrealm, Liu Kang was an orphan adopted and trained in the arts of combat by the Shaolin order. He honored them by defeating Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat and saving Earthrealm as "the Chosen One," a title that weighs heavy on his shoulders. Tier: High 8-C | At...
vsbattles.fandom.com
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Man, what people on with this one. Everyone knows that Kratonks ain't even Atom Level. smh
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Mortal Kombat profiles are garbage in terms of stats and that is thanks to the users who "support" it on the siteJust realized Fire God Liu Kang is a base Ryu victim according to this site
Liu Kang (Second Timeline)
Shaolin monk and Champion of Earthrealm, Liu Kang was an orphan adopted and trained in the arts of combat by the Shaolin order. He honored them by defeating Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat and saving Earthrealm as "the Chosen One," a title that weighs heavy on his shoulders. Tier: High 8-C | At...
They should be cosmic in stats physically
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Tbh MK is the most all over the place fighting game in terms of scaling and the DLC for MK1 only made things more chaotic (don't even get me started on the discussion of using or discarding fatality feats). When a verse has legit arguments for tier 8 up to tier 2 high tier characters (not even top tiers) you know something went horrible wrong with the narrative power creep.Just realized Fire God Liu Kang is a base Ryu victim according to this site
Liu Kang (Second Timeline)
Shaolin monk and Champion of Earthrealm, Liu Kang was an orphan adopted and trained in the arts of combat by the Shaolin order. He honored them by defeating Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat and saving Earthrealm as "the Chosen One," a title that weighs heavy on his shoulders. Tier: High 8-C | At...
I don't even envy DB trying to scale MK now (Cyrax's Earth nuke fatality may potentially be seen as another Sundisk quagmire tbh) but I can't deny the morbid curiosity on where MK will be placed in terms of physical stats with the current DB research team, for what it's worth most peeps (including myself) don't take VSBW stats for MK seriously but there's so many anti-feats and PiS in MK1+DLC, no-one seems to agree with even a mid-end tier for the main cast to scale to let alone the high-end cosmic stuff.
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This is why I always bitch on mk being the biggest example of why power scaling should matter to the story. Mix, Mk9 and Mk1 handling of it has been downright terrible, sure authors aren't power scalers but there's need to be a good grasp on who sits on the top of the food chain and who doesn't.
Tekken and SF does a good job of this yet MK can't seem do anything right then again the former has writers that happened to be more consistent while mk will have shit ton of writers here n there
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I remember that in Mk9, Sindel killed 80% of the heroes because they were all coming at her one at a time.
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