DCEU General Discussion Thread

[sageof8paths]

In SC, it’s planetary (or whatever atomising the Earth is). Not sure those scans are enough to scale Barry to it though. It also talks about breaking through the Unity’s defenses to upload Victor into it, defenses which aren’t necessarily = the Unity’s AP.

Here’s why it does.

Barry is generating enough energy to break through its defences. For the unity to function, it has to be able to tank its own forces. Barry being able to overload it with blatant energy/force, no hax has to be somewhat relative to it.

Further proof of them scaling to it is when superman splits them in the Snyder cut desaad says he destroyed it and they lose they’re shiny look and appear almost rusted.

Also narratively consistent seeing as they literally fear superman.

In the knightmare vision we see what it’s capable of, can this be calced? Has a time frame n everything.

 

[sageof8paths]

In the doctor fate black Adam comic, we see a vision in which the moon is destroyed.

I’m gonna check that out rn

 

[sageof8paths]

In the doctor fate black Adam comic, we see a vision in which the moon is destroyed.

U talm bout dis?

It’s blue energy so it seems like black Adam did it. Could it be sabbac though?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Here’s why it does.

Barry is generating enough energy to break through its defences. For the unity to function, it has to be able to tank its own forces. Barry being able to overload it with blatant energy/force, no hax has to be somewhat relative to it.

Further proof of them scaling to it is when superman splits them in the Snyder cut desaad says he destroyed it and they lose they’re shiny look and appear almost rusted.

Also narratively consistent seeing as they literally fear superman.

In the knightmare vision we see what it’s capable of, can this be calced? Has a time frame n everything.

This is wrong on several accounts.

• Barry’s energy doesn’t destroy the Mother Boxes. The reason this matters is below.
• The Unity doesn’t need to tank its own output at all. It’s a change machine that targets specific things according to what it it commanded to do. Victor turns on a Box and has it resurrect Supes, Silas turned it on and had it build Victor a new body, Stepp and Darkseid turned them on to terraform planets. What we see isn’t a simple explosion with the Boxes at ground zero, it’s the Unity specifically shredding down the atoms of the planet it’s on along with everything there to remake it into something else.
• Supes “destroyed” the Unity by splitting them apart and the Boxes simply shut down. If the Unity’s defenses scaled to its output, Supes wouldn’t have been reduced to atoms by said output before Barry hard carried at the end.

Your scaling rn goes as follows Unity output = Unity defenses < Superman < Unity output. Same thing applies for Barry as when he provided an even larger charge to break the defenses than he originally intended, neither Victor, the Mother Boxes or the Unity were damaged at all. The defenses being spoken about are not the Boxes’ dura.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

U talm bout dis?

It’s blue energy so it seems like black Adam did it. Could it be sabbac though?

Yea, and it doesn’t really matter which one it is because all top tiers would scale.

 

[sageof8paths]

Here’s why I disagree

1. I don’t need to kill you or destroy u to scale to you.
2. Unless I’m missing something, nothing you said here leads to why it shouldn’t scale to its own output.

Yes I agree the mother boxes rearrange matter at the will of its hosts. However it still requires energy to do so and we literally see a wave of energy that releases that atomizes the planet emerging from it meaning it would have to be able to tank such forces to work at all.

Again I could be missing the point of what u said but from what I’m understanding nothing there explains why it shouldn’t scale to its output.

The wiki also has its durability equal to its ap so again, idk where you’re going with this.

3. I literally explained above why they didn’t just “shot down” there was physical damage done to the boxes, I’ll show some before and after images to compare.

And even if he did, he would still need to scale to it as like I said bf, it has no problem with its own output but it’s getting ****** by other characters.

4. Like we both agree above, the boxes can re-arrange matter the will of its masters on an atomic level. It’s literally dura negging him.

It shredding superman only means he doesn’t have resistance to atomic dura-neg. Steppenwolf being its master would be able to specifically command it to do such. I guarantee you he did not die in that explosion.

No my current scale it’s unity defenses≈unity output (has dura negging capabilities)<superman (no resistance to dura neg)

It’s like how onoki from Naruto can kill much stronger characters than himself by using his atomic style.
Yeah, cyborg being fine is the point, he’s able to tank forces that can break the unities defences. Again flash is using blatant energy to do this, no hax, nothing. Just force.

For u to say the boxes weren’t visibly shown to be damaged is like saying neither superman or zod weren’t damaged in their fight (neck snap aside) because there were no physical injuries when we know this isn’t the case.

Even if the defences would have to scale to some sort of they literally wouldn’t function at all. Why would small country level force be able to weaken in any way something can is fine producing and dealing with borderline planet level forces. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[sageof8paths]

Snyderverse Motherbox calc

The multi continental motherbox stuff is a lowball and doesn’t even meet the interpretation for what it actually does at least in the snyderverse. Here’s the feat: The Motherbox was seen converting the Earth in 8 seconds. If we say it was just re-arranging the matter of the crust of the...

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[Ozcantabak]

Can any of you give your thoughts on theese, can they be used ?

Spoiler: Doomsday

At least Multi-Continent Level (Should be stronger than General Zod, being created from his body expanded to extreme physical abilities. Started out as strong as a weakened Superman and kept getting stronger through its absorption powers. Overpowered Wonder Woman and Superman. Stated by Snyder that he was going to charge up an explosion and destroy the world before he was killed. Stated to be comparable to Uxas and Steppenwolf.)

Spoiler: Enchantress (Full power key)

Multi-Continent level with magic (Created a massive storm. With her mystical superweapon, which was powered by her, claimed that she would "Cover the world in darkness, grinding their cities and mountains into dust, wiping them out and destroying the entire world".)

Spoiler: Darkseid

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stated to be comparable to Steppenwolf and Doomsday, Snyder stated only the old gods could stand up against him, making him superior to Enchantress as Uxas, and has since grown stronger. Stated to be the king daddy of the universe. Heavily feared by Steppenwolf, who would not dare challenge him despite having grown tired from being subservient, and effortlessly broke his horn underfoot. Easily killed Aquaman and Wonder Woman in the Knightmare timeline. Should be comparable to Superman), higher with his Staff

Spoiler: Aquaman (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Cyborg, stabbed him with his Quindent after his armour was destroyed)

Spoiler: Flash (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level (While inferior, he has shown to be somewhat comparable to other members of the Justice League. Accidentally knocked out Aquaman by running into him), likely Planet level (Generated enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses). Can ignore durability by Phasing

Spoiler: Cyborg (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stunned Superman with a plasmablast. Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Slightly contributed to destroying the Mother Boxes), higher with Technology Manipulation (Stated as having control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) (Tanked enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses)

Spoiler: Ares (SnyderVerse key, only added a link)

t least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Overpowered and drew blood from Uxas, nearly killing him and forcing him to retreat in the process. Broke through Uxas' Staff which survived a lightning bolt from Zeus)

Spoiler: Zeus (SnyderVerse key, only added links)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Harmed Uxas with a lightning bolt. Comparable to his son Ares, who drew blood from Uxas in battle. Separated the Mother Boxes)

Spoiler: Steppenwolf (SnyderVerse key)

Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Vastly stronger than Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyborg. Stated to be superior to Doomsday and comparable to Uxas), higher with Electro-Axe

Spoiler: Justice League

Ap: Wall level (Batman is able to smash through wooden floors and walls, as well as hold his own against Parademons) to at least Multi-Continent level (Superman was able to one-shot the World Engine while weakened) | Wall level to at least Multi-Continent level (The team is just as powerful as in the theatrical cut), likely Planet level (Superman was able to destroy the Mother Boxes as stated by DeSaad, leaving them visibly damaged), higher with Technology Manipulation (Cyborg has control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) Lifting: Superhuman (Batman ripped apart Firefly's metallic wings with his bare hands) to Class T, possibly Class Z (Superman is superior to Karathen and possibly shifted a tectonic plate) | Superhuman to Class G, possibly Class Z (Superman can crush diamonds and possibly shifted a tectonic plate)

 

[sageof8paths]

Can any of you give your thoughts on theese, can they be used ?

Spoiler: Doomsday

At least Multi-Continent Level (Should be stronger than General Zod, being created from his body expanded to extreme physical abilities. Started out as strong as a weakened Superman and kept getting stronger through its absorption powers. Overpowered Wonder Woman and Superman. Stated by Snyder that he was going to charge up an explosion and destroy the world before he was killed. Stated to be comparable to Uxas and Steppenwolf.)

Spoiler: Enchantress (Full power key)

Multi-Continent level with magic (Created a massive storm. With her mystical superweapon, which was powered by her, claimed that she would "Cover the world in darkness, grinding their cities and mountains into dust, wiping them out and destroying the entire world".)

Spoiler: Darkseid

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stated to be comparable to Steppenwolf and Doomsday, Snyder stated only the old gods could stand up against him, making him superior to Enchantress as Uxas, and has since grown stronger. Stated to be the king daddy of the universe. Heavily feared by Steppenwolf, who would not dare challenge him despite having grown tired from being subservient, and effortlessly broke his horn underfoot. Easily killed Aquaman and Wonder Woman in the Knightmare timeline. Should be comparable to Superman), higher with his Staff

Spoiler: Aquaman (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Cyborg, stabbed him with his Quindent after his armour was destroyed)

Spoiler: Flash (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level (While inferior, he has shown to be somewhat comparable to other members of the Justice League. Accidentally knocked out Aquaman by running into him), likely Planet level (Generated enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses). Can ignore durability by Phasing

Spoiler: Cyborg (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stunned Superman with a plasmablast. Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Slightly contributed to destroying the Mother Boxes), higher with Technology Manipulation (Stated as having control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) (Tanked enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses)

Spoiler: Ares (SnyderVerse key, only added a link)

t least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Overpowered and drew blood from Uxas, nearly killing him and forcing him to retreat in the process. Broke through Uxas' Staff which survived a lightning bolt from Zeus)

Spoiler: Zeus (SnyderVerse key, only added links)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Harmed Uxas with a lightning bolt. Comparable to his son Ares, who drew blood from Uxas in battle. Separated the Mother Boxes)

Spoiler: Steppenwolf (SnyderVerse key)

Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Vastly stronger than Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyborg. Stated to be superior to Doomsday and comparable to Uxas), higher with Electro-Axe

Spoiler: Justice League

Ap: Wall level (Batman is able to smash through wooden floors and walls, as well as hold his own against Parademons) to at least Multi-Continent level (Superman was able to one-shot the World Engine while weakened) | Wall level to at least Multi-Continent level (The team is just as powerful as in the theatrical cut), likely Planet level (Superman was able to destroy the Mother Boxes as stated by DeSaad, leaving them visibly damaged), higher with Technology Manipulation (Cyborg has control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) Lifting: Superhuman (Batman ripped apart Firefly's metallic wings with his bare hands) to Class T, possibly Class Z (Superman is superior to Karathen and possibly shifted a tectonic plate) | Superhuman to Class G, possibly Class Z (Superman can crush diamonds and possibly shifted a tectonic plate)

this thread is dead, doubt you’ll get any replies so i personally would just apply the changes.

the only thing is doomsday should get a likely planet level as well as he’s still above the likes of wonder woman.

 

[Ozcantabak]

this thread is dead, doubt you’ll get any replies so i personally would just apply the changes.

the only thing is doomsday should get a likely planet level as well as he’s still above the likes of wonder woman.

I was advised by Antvasima to ask this here to see if the scailing was correct.

Okay i will be adding that.