DCEU SUPERMAN MOON LEVEL UPGRADE

[Livinmeme]

Because it has never been seen, never been talked about, never ANYTHING in the actual movies

And that matters because? We already know who did it, you are just trying to reach for straws

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Except a few sentences later it points out his tactics, leadership, and weaponry as one of his strongsuits. Alongside his "nigh immortality" directly following the statement

So you admit that a few sentences clearly talk about his strength, or not? If you don't acknowledge that, then all I'm seeing is arguments from ignorance on your end. The first paragraph talks about the individual strength of Steppenwolf, not his army and weapons. It clearly mentions how powerful he is and then talks about his good points. Nigh immortality means nothing; we didn't see his immortality come in handy against the JL members, despite them having no immortality negation or regeneration negation abilities. You are just stretching the sentence about nigh immortality, that's all.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

So you admit that a few sentences clearly talk about his strength, or not? If you don't acknowledge that, then all I'm seeing is arguments from ignorance on your end. The first paragraph talks about the individual strength of Steppenwolf, not his army and weapons. It clearly mentions how powerful he is and then talks about his good points. Nigh immortality means nothing; we didn't see his immortality come in handy against the JL members, despite them having no immortality negation or regeneration negation abilities. You are just stretching the sentence about nigh immortality, that's all.

I think so

 

[Protector_Hunk]

And that matters because? We already know who did it, you are just trying to reach for straws

Yes,i think so

 

[Jason_Courne]

So you admit that a few sentences clearly talk about his strength, or not? If you don't acknowledge that, then all I'm seeing is arguments from ignorance on your end. The first paragraph talks about the individual strength of Steppenwolf, not his army and weapons. It clearly mentions how powerful he is and then talks about his good points. Nigh immortality means nothing; we didn't see his immortality come in handy against the JL members, despite them having no immortality negation or regeneration negation abilities. You are just stretching the sentence about nigh immortality, that's all.

And then it follows it with his nigh-immortality, weaponry, and tactics as a leader

It's never stated they fought in a one v one, all it said was "this guy DID NOT DIE" against Doomsday

And that matters because? We already know who did it, you are just trying to reach for straws

It matters because that's how powerscaling works. We don't see the feat, we don't see the context of the fight, we don't see anything, and this entire thing hinges on Word of God from a watch party

This feat is just ass

 

[Protector_Hunk]

And then it follows it with his nigh-immortality, weaponry, and tactics as a leader

It's never stated they fought in a one v one, all it said was "this guy DID NOT DIE" against Doomsday


It matters because that's how powerscaling works. We don't see the feat, we don't see the context of the fight, we don't see anything, and this entire thing hinges on Word of God from a watch party

This feat is just ass

My friend,
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[Livinmeme]

It matters because that's how powerscaling works. We don't see the feat, we don't see the context of the fight, we don't see anything, and this entire thing hinges on Word of God from a watch party

Huh? We already known who did it, we have a picture of the aftermath, saying that just because we didn't see the feat, means that there could have been something more to it, is literally the definition of a headcanon

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

And then it follows it with his nigh-immortality, weaponry, and tactics as a leader

I clearly addressed your point. It seems like you just ignored it. Why don't you show us what type of immortality he has and how it made him survive against Doomsday?

Nigh immortality means nothing; we didn't see his immortality come in handy against the JL members, despite them having no immortality negation or regeneration negation abilities. You are just stretching the sentence about nigh immortality, that's all.

The sentence doesn't mention he used weaponry or an army. It clearly mentions his strength, not his army's strength. It says "he is" strong, not that his army or his weapons are strong.

It's never stated they fought in a one v one, all it said was "this guy DID NOT DIE" against Doomsday

It clearly mentions individual strength for surviving against Doomsday; otherwise, that sentence would be something along the lines of 'how powerful Steppenwolf's army is' instead of 'how powerful Steppenwolf is.' By Occam's razor, it's simplest to assume that he himself held his own against Doomsday; hence, that statement talks in singular terms rather than plural.

Steppenwolf survived a battle with Doomsday. That should tell you just how powerful he is. Aside from his strength and near-immortality, he's also an expert tactician and wields a vicious electro-axe that can cut through just about anything.

Both talks about his strength not his army strength. It was addressed regarding Doomsday fight.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Huh? We already known who did it, we have a picture of the aftermath, saying that just because we didn't see the feat, means that there could have been something more to it, is literally the definition of a headcanon

We have a picture of a ****** moon, "Doomsday did it" from Snyder, no actual evidence of how it was done or the context through which it happened, and no context as to how the fight went

I clearly addressed your point. It seems like you just ignored it. Why don't you show us what type of immortality he has and how it made him survive against Doomsday?

Why don't you show me the fight between Doomsday and Steppenwolf?

The sentence doesn't mention he used weaponry or an army. It clearly mentions his strength, not his army's strength. It says "he is" strong, not that his army or his weapons are strong.

Then it immiedately segways into his other abilities and things at his desposal

It clearly mentions individual strength for surviving against Doomsday; otherwise, that sentence would be something along the lines of 'how powerful Steppenwolf's army is' instead of 'how powerful Steppenwolf is.' By Occam's razor, it's simplest to assume that he himself held his own against Doomsday; hence, that statement talks in singular terms rather than plural.

Not dying isn't very good context for a feat

 

[Livinmeme]

We have a picture of a ****** moon, "Doomsday did it" from Snyder, no actual evidence of how it was done or the context through which it happened, and no context as to how the fight went

The moon is ripped in half, so it is actually pretty fair to assume he either
A. Cutted it in half
B. Ripped it appart

 

[Jason_Courne]

The moon is ripped in half, so it is actually pretty fair to assume he either

Ok we know how it ended up... so how did it get to that state?

 

[Livinmeme]

Ok we know how it ended up... so how did it get to that state?

Are you blind? I already presented the most logical assumptions based on the result

 

[Jason_Courne]

Are you blind? I already presented the most logical assumptions based on the result

No the most logical assumption is
1. There's no actual showcase of the feat so it's invalid
2. There's not actual showcase of their fight so it's invalid
3. There's never any actual mention of the character in universe so it's invalid

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why don't you show me the fight between Doomsday and Steppenwolf?

You don't need an on-screen fight when scans clearly state he fought Doomsday, and that shows how strong he is, not his army or weapons. At this point, you are either intentionally strawmanning or just arguing from ignorance.

Then it immiedately segways into his other abilities and things at his desposal

Same as above, your arguments come from ignorance despite me explaining properly how it referred to his strength instead of his army or weapons. Him having good leadership or army was never mentioned in same sentence as when he fought Doomsday.

Not dying isn't very good context for a feat

At this point, I'm going to ignore you. I see only strawmanning and arguments from ignorance on your end, and you never address any arguments with proper logic. The only thing you are doing is nitpicking and twisting the arguments of what is presented in the scan.

 

[Livinmeme]

1. There's no actual showcase of the feat so it's invalid

Statements are valid, there are calcs that use pure statements, can't think of any right now

2. There's not actual showcase of their fight so it's invalid

What? What does that have to do with the feat

3. There's never any actual mention of the character in universe so it's invalid

I am sure that some random character knows more than the WOG

 

[Golden_Void]

Idk what all the Steppenwolf downplay is about. Wonder Woman only made sparks against his armor, yet she cut Luthor Doomsday's arm off. There's more than enough confidence to believe he actually fought the first Doomsday even though we can't accurately gauge the feat.

 

[Cropfist]

If Steppenwolf is in one piece with no permanent injuries after fighting Doomsday, then he clearly wasn't stomped to the point of not scaling.

 

[Jason_Courne]

You don't need an on-screen fight when scans clearly state he fought Doomsday, and that shows how strong he is, not his army or weapons. At this point, you are either intentionally strawmanning or just arguing from ignorance.

He "survived" against Doomsday, and his "strength' could just mean he didn't die which is why they also specified he was "nigh immortal" or he used his army to help him, which is why the explicitly pointed out his weaponry and army at his disposal

At this point, I'm going to ignore you. I see only strawmanning and arguments from ignorance on your end, and you never address any arguments with proper logic. The only thing you are doing is nitpicking and twisting the arguments of what is presented in the scan.

And you're ignoring the fact there is absolutely no context to any of this stuff, the feat, the scaling, anything presented here

Statements are valid, there are calcs that use pure statements, can't think of any right now

There's a difference between an in universe "This established character performed the feat" via characters INSIDE the story
And
"You see that one thing in the background? Yeah some random guy you've never met, will never meet, and will never be brought up outside from another random guy having fought him, did that" from the director casually watching the film

WoG and out of universe statements are inherently treated with far more scrutiny than in universe, in character statements

What? What does that have to do with the feat

Scaling is bunk because it's working on too many what ifs when just as many what ifs can debunk it

I am sure that some random character knows more than the WOG

I'm pretty sure a character that only exists via word of god, a feat that only exists via word of god, and fight that only exists via word of god is next to useless

 

[Livinmeme]

I'm pretty sure a character that only exists via word of god, a feat that only exists via word of god, and fight that only exists via word of god is next to useless

the statements of the author are useless. Why? H-heh, we don't need to indulge that

Sad. Also the thing you are complaining, was accepted

 

[Jason_Courne]

Sad. Also the thing you are complaining, was accepted

Compared to the actual story... yeah the word of god is useless, especially if it's ONLY via word of god something exists

Surprise surprise, the things called "calculation evaluations" only evaluate the calculations

 

[Gasper]

Sad. Also the thing you are complaining, was accepted

To be fair, just because something is accepted doesn't mean it can't be contested.

 

[Livinmeme]

of god something exists

Geniunely do you have a real beef with world of god statements? Because if you aren't arguing about the method that the feat was done, is always about how we should ignore the author statements for...Reasons

 

[Jason_Courne]

Geniunely do you have a real beef with world of god statements? Because if you aren't arguing about the method that the feat was done, is always about how we should ignore the author statements for...Reasons

Author statements are either last minute band aid fixes or deeper explanations to what already exists within the story.

For example, in the Boys, Garth Ennis has explicitly stated that nuclear weapons could kill Homelander, we know this to be true because character's in universe commentate that nuclear weaponry could either easily kill or were used to subdue Homelander, and Vought was always reluctant to go head to head with the government

However, Krypton's Doomsday is completely nonexistant in the DCEU, and even within the word of god statements, how Doomsday performed the feat is unexplained