You suggest that Overvoid is 6D thus just Low 1-C. By recommending that, it causes a chain scaling effect to those who scale to it or are it. The Source and the Presence from the revision project is accepted to be the same as the Overvoid.
I understand now. Your first post was worded vaguely.
No. It's Low 1-C. Transcending creation only makes her Low 1-C not 1-C.
Creation - 2-A.
Transcending Creation as an avatar. The full Ocean of Nothing would be much higher than just an avatar.
Heaven is still accepted as Low 1-C.
The avatar yes for transcending Creation. The Sea of Brahman where everything came from is obviously much bigger and more fundamental than the avatar.
“Everything” including the Void is part of it. Pralaya function as is because DP commands it. DP transcends everything all at once including Pralaya.
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Transcending creation isn't remotely close for Low 1-C tier. You should prove QS. TF would likely be Low 1-C.
In vertigo? Yes. But any evidence for QS regarding the heaven in D.M's cosmology because there are many heavens. That would be Low 1-C if so.
Yes. but he only dreamed the creation, since Pralaya is an aspect of DP, it doesn't count. Of course, he transcend everything but "transcending" term isn't enough to reach Tier 1. You should prove QS for every part.
I meant I agree with Low 1-C scalings not 1-C.
Due to transcending Heaven and Creation as an avatar and we are considering that Heaven is 5D. Then Pralaya's avatar a small glimpse of the infinite nothingness she is would be 6D. That would upscale the entire Ocean of Nothing being much much higher than Creation and starts at 7D which is 1-
Can it be any clearer? It's accepted as Low 1-C. Why are we arguing about something that's accepted?
Everything is an “aspect” of the Divine Presence that part isn't relevant. What is more important here is that in the story of Creation with the Smile behind the Universe and later on in the story. We find out all things which come from him which includes the Void(Pralaya) nothing but a dream to it. It very well includes Pralaya.
Seeing as you didn't even acknowledge Heaven being Low 1-C, which we see in the revision project then I don't see why I need to argue for this.
You don't stack of infinite for 1-C from Low 1-C. That doesn't really begin until High 1-B where you need sets of infinite.
You have the scan for it? It doesn't really matter whether it's accepted or not.
Eh?? I don't understand what you're saying.
Nah. I meant Low 1-C is two inf> above 4-D. I don't agree with 6-D and 7-D part because you should provide evidence for QS for it. True form or transcending it isn't enough.
It does matter because it's literally what they will implement. So instead I'll just quote it off the revision:
High 1-B requires R>F if infinite sets above the Universal Model. Anything below that only requires the set based on coordinate space. Getting a tier up between Low 1-C to 1-B requires something to be QS over that infinitely. The stacking of infinity doesn't begin until High 1-B or Low 1-A.
I rather we use the Universal Model(Low 2-C) not coordinate space because you have to look at that first to equate it to the dimensional space it could occupy based on tier.
There is no evidence for "possibly High 1-C", which would require at least six transcendences above the 2-A cosmology.
That's why I recommend we just keep it at 1-C.
That scan was debunked by deagonx in previous thread or check his profile, he explained the context of it. I guess ant also removed it from cosmology blog?
Other scans only say it is a transcendental plane which isn't enough for Low 1-C.
Because FAQ explicitly says "transcendence" is a vague term and need to prove QS in order to generalize Tier 1.
It can also be 5-D.
No, this part of the book still remain. Deagonx debunking was R>F dreams for a High 1-B Cosmology.
A transcendental plain that's more real, deeper, and closer to the Divine Presence would suggest so.
Yeah because you assumed that's the only thing “Heaven” had. Heaven still has layers to it and where they're deeper Heavens which would a mass to Low 1-C.
Right.....
Both. He addressed the same scan in the hyperlink you given above. The scan with Bob and Spectre.
His is addressing Heaven R>F claim for upscaling Creation to High 1-B. He never said Heaven isn't Low 1-C that it isn't transcendent of the Material World. He was addressing how we shouldn't reference R>F of Heaven during the Spectre Comics run to suggest it would be High 1-B.
There is no “true Heaven.” You simply go past the conventional Heaven where your soul becomes ideas until you drift across the Sea of Eternity. Finding self-identity with the Oversoul.
Ok but how it leads to 1-C?
Pralaya and DP transcend it. I don't understand what you're trying to ask here, so I assume that's what you meant.
DP transcend creation as a dream which is again Low 1-C. Pralaya's trancendence is Low 1-C. (1 level)
There is evidence. The Smile which we know as one of its identities is beyond Pralays where it formed nothing into all of Creation by the act of duality. This is still within a dream because all parts of it including the creation of the Multiverse began when it commanded it. The Smile is interacting to start that process. The Divine Presence is Brahman, the underlying Void beyond all Voids completely transcending everyone including gods and Pralaya. They are” all” part of its dream. This is why the Sea of Brahman is the Sleep of God or the Creator’s Mind in which he was from the Ocean of Nothing and creates it with Love. The Dream also includes TF Pralaya who is insignificant as everything else is to the Divine Presence.
I second this.
Divine Presence dreams everything in levels.
It's quite obvious we should remove this High 1-B part. OP mentioned its reason. Creation stay at 2-A and Heaven is Low 1-C.
Also DP's possibly High 1-C key. That's all I think.
Of course with Pralaya, I suggest two keys one for the avatar being Low 1-C and her True Form being 1-C.
I already debunked the idea that Creation is infinite-layered.
I was so confused as to where you “debunked” it that I had to recheck and you didn't “debunk” anything.
As I already said:
None of what you said and I have already read that suggests that. There is a clear hierarchy between these planes of existence that stretches from the first action and began the dreams where the souls start their journey.
If you want to convince me of this, you'll have to provide a detailed explanation with specific scans for every step.
I believe that the scans being mentioned are where we take it based on different interpretations. That isn't a need for me to prove it to you when the scans say it themselves.
Then I'm sorry to say that the scans in question simply don't support what you're saying, as I explained above, and if you want to convince me otherwise, you'll have to tell me, citing the exact words of the scans, why your interpretation works.
