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Is this dream quote meant to be the proof of higher layers or is there something I'm missing?
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DC J.M. DeMatteis Cosmology Downgrade
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I asked him about it in a two-part comment. He said “it all” is part of God's dream as referenced to me mentioned if they are layers of transcendence and spiritual journey to be one with Oneness. He combined all three of my options.
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but thats what hes trying to say tho...
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I don't think so because he knew after I went further to explain what I meant. I had asked him what it meant within three options then I added more in-depth comments on what I had meant because of the Twitter word limit.
He said after I made those two comments “it's all” which was including whatever interpretation I was conjuring up.
He said after I made those two comments “it's all” which was including whatever interpretation I was conjuring up.
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I don't think Deagon understood especially once I clarified it. Qwas isn't opposed to it. Please stop rushing these and just go with their words when they're not fully disagreeing.
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Then you would know what I was trying to say. What you interpret of the scan was not really indicative of whether these planes are transcendent of each other.
Otherwise, before you said it no one would have guessed it would mean a spiritual journey. I don't even think that was the point of what Spectre said anyways and from what we know it's really not.
Your interpretation was a little too vague and only applies to what the souls “do” which is going through a journey. The spiritual aspect does not counterintude the transcendent plane, in fact, I don't know how you even interpret it as that. Spectre was just showing what Heaven is and saying it was a “deeper dream” a plane of many endless planes.
I've reread it multiple times and the Spectre Volume 4 comics never suggest what you said. How did you even come up with that conclusion? If you thought that your interpretation was fair, then it seems more looks a complete misunderstanding of the message.
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Cosmology has unlimited dimensions, and furthermore, it is taken into account that every heaven is a shadow of each other and beyond these heavens there is the concept of "true heaven". Cosmology is huge and it's sad that it's dropping to these levels...
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What do you think that we should do here?
What do you think that we should do here?
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I cannot even remember what this is about.
Is it just the OP?
Is it just the OP?
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This whole thread has become such a mess that I don't see us making that many changes to DeMatteis's cosmology here. However, leaving the ratings as they are now is unacceptable, as they're plainly unjustified and contradictory. I would advise that we simply apply what I proposed in my OP (Remove "High 1-B" from Heaven, "possibly 1-C" from Mahapralaya, and "possibly High 1-C" from the Divine Presence) as our provisional tiers and leave further overhauls to DeMatteis's cosmology for future threads, preferably after we collectively do a lot more research.
@Deagonx @Elizio33 @Firestorm808 @PrinceofPein @Qawsedf234 @Eficiente Is this acceptable to you?
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This thread no longer has a head or tail, is the OP still proposing the same thing or has some changes been made so far?
If possible can you link the relevant posts or a new thread with the proper arguments can be made.
If possible can you link the relevant posts or a new thread with the proper arguments can be made.
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I have no idea which posts are relevant now. What I was proposing in the OP was a bare minimum of necessary changes that were meant to serve as a provisional tier. We should apply them for now and close this thread, after which someone else can make a new thread to further discuss DeMattis's cosmology, and there definitely shouldn't be any more debate here.
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@Antvasima Is this acceptable to apply? Nobody seems interested in commenting here anymore, and I just want to do the bare minimum of changes and close this.
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Probably, yes, but I would prefer more staff input first.
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Makes sense to me
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Yes, then a better thread can be done later
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Are you willing to revise the following page accordingly, as well as all of our affected character profile pages, @Elizio33 ?
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DC Comics Cosmology
This page is dedicated to outlining the distinctions between DC Comics's different cosmologies. To summarize, the DC Universe has three dominant cosmologies characterized primarily (but not exclusively) by their authors: Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson; J.M...
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I could do it, as the changes are extremely simple. This change also doesn't actually affect any profiles, as we don't have profiles for Heaven, Mahapralalya, and the Divine Presence or any characters who scale to them.Are you willing to revise the following page accordingly, as well as all of our affected character profile pages, @Elizio33 ?
DC Comics Cosmology
This page is dedicated to outlining the distinctions between DC Comics's different cosmologies. To summarize, the DC Universe has three dominant cosmologies characterized primarily (but not exclusively) by their authors: Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson; J.M...
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Okay. That is good then. However, you need to make sure that your edits are properly structured and explained well.
Tell us here when you are done please, so we can check if they seem acceptable.
Tell us here when you are done please, so we can check if they seem acceptable.
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Done.Okay. That is good then. However, you need to make sure that your edits are properly structured and explained well.
Tell us here when you are done please, so we can check if they seem acceptable.
DC Comics Cosmology
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Should stay High 1-B but ok.
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That can be discussed in a new thread. These are just provisional tiers.
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We've discussed the issue on this thread. To make another thread is very unnecessary and repetitive.
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Which staff members have thought what here?
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Elizio33 agreed to applying my changes and then closing this because, as I said, this thread has become far too messy to use. Nobody else seems interested in commenting, so I do believe we should have this thread closed now.
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I already have.
Done.
DC Comics Cosmology
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@Deagonx @Elizio33 @PrinceofPein @Eficiente @Firestorm808Done.
DC Comics Cosmology
This page is dedicated to outlining the distinctions between DC Comics's different cosmologies. To summarize, the DC Universe has three dominant cosmologies characterized primarily (but not exclusively) by their authors: Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson; J.M...
Does this seem acceptable to you? If so, we can probably finally close this thread.
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That's okay by me too
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