DC Cosmology: Revising the Tiers

[Elizio33]

Where would Doctor Manhattan scale after the changes?

1-B, possibly Low 1-A with powers from scaling to Perpetua

 

[Eseseso]

Wait, so even though the Sphere of the Gods got buffed, those inside it, like True Form Darkseid, won't scale?

 

[Elizio33]

Wait, so even though the Sphere of the Gods got buffed, those inside it, like True Form Darkseid, won't scale?

No. New Gods shouldn't scale to the Sphere of the Gods.

 

[Eseseso]

No. New Gods shouldn't scale to the Sphere of the Gods.

1. But they exist on that plane. Kinda in the name.

2. So even those like Godhead Darkseid will only be 2-C?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

No. New Gods shouldn't scale to the Sphere of the Gods.

They should? They live in it. Sure, they can't completely destroy it but being ideas in the Sphere is warranted enough for being in that plane of existence.

We don't scale them because they can destroy the plane, we scale them because they are on that level of existence.

 

[Elizio33]

They should? They live in it. Sure, they can't completely destroy it but being ideas in the Sphere is warranted enough for being in that plane of existence.

We don't scale them because they can destroy the plane, we scale them because they are on that level of existence.

The thing is, Darkseid restoring his true form wasn't portrayed as a living idea or the platonic idea of evil during Infinite Frontier. Even in Death Metal, Darkseid had somehow reverted to his true form when he ruled the Final Crisis reality and he was not portrayed as such things. We should be very cautious about this given more recent information coming out after Final Crisis and Multiversity which apparently discarded the notion that the true forms of the New Gods. If anything, we can say that the New Gods being living ideas come from them being shaped by beliefs and imaginations of mortals through the Collective Unconscious.

Anyway, I would rather save this discussion for another thread and focus on the OP's proposal.

 

[Elizio33]

After reading the full proposal, the last things I want to say are:

• I still would rather we replace the 11-D justifications from the Wildstorm Role-Playing Game Handbook with the 11-D comic scans I provided.
• Many of the updated justifications in the OP for the higher planes beyond the Orrery include the term "qualitative superiority," but under the new Tiering System, "qualitative superiority" exclusively denotes an entire Outerverse level gap, and single +1 dimensional gaps must be recognized using the term "quantitative superiority" instead.
• Though this isn't in the OP, I've seen mentions of the Hands being 1-A based on BDE Type 2, but that's outdated and actually just needs to be downgraded entirely to Type 1, since they don't have 1-A true state ratings under the proposed cosmology.

Thank you for your help. Can you send the scans for 11-D again ?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Thank you for your help. Can you send the scans for 11-D again ?

An infinite number of planes, including the all Elemental Realms, are serviced by 11 dimensional membranes of space-time. [The Hellblazer 003 (2016)]

 

[Elizio33]

An infinite number of planes, including the all Elemental Realms, are serviced by 11 dimensional membranes of space-time. [The Hellblazer 003 (2016)]

Infinite number of planes? Does this implies a possible High 1-B Existence?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Infinite number of planes? Does this implies a possible High 1-B Existence?

No, because it says these infinite planes are restricted to an 11-Dimensional space.

 

[Elizio33]

No, because it says these infinite planes are restricted to an 11-Dimensional space.

Okay. The scan is added.