Cyborg Tao should be 5-C or possibly 5-C

[Vizer04]

Cyborg Tao's key is listed as Unknown but i think it should be 5-C or at least possibly 5-C.

During the 23°Tenkaichi Budokai, Tsurusen'nin said that Cyborg Tao could easily kill Goku and Tien and he knew how strong Tien was back in the 22°TB since he trained him, so Cyborg Tao should be stronger than 22°TB Tien.

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Dude, you literally made the thread 13 minutes ago. You don't need to go around and bump literally every minute

Once every 12-24 hours is more than enough

Now, as for this CRT. Can you show the link to the scan where it was said Cyborg Tao could kill TB22 Goku and Tien?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sorry, i won't do it anymore

Here it is

I'm not sure about it. This could be just Tao bragging about his skills to Tien, as he can't sense how strong he is and doesn't know how strong is he in comparison to Goku and him

EDIT: Why did you erase your comment

 

[Vizer04]

I'm not sure about it. This could be just Tao bragging about his skills to Tien, as he can't sense how strong he is and doesn't know how strong is he in comparison to Goku and him

There's also this

 

[Dalesean027]

That doesn't show anything Tao says he can kill tien and we literally see him fail to do so in that fight, his statement turned out to be false and tien casually tanks his strongest attack, one shots tao, and even says he doesn't want to fight tao not because tao is a threat b ut because he doesn't want to humiliate tao and shame him

 

[Dalesean027]

Here's Tien one shotting Tao, the only real evidence comes from Daizenshuu 7 (1996) with Tao having surpassed roshi who was surpassed by a much earlier goku was moon level so by scaling he would be 5-C

 

[Nullflowerblush]

These claims mean nothing when nothing suggests that Taopaipai knew how powerful Goku and Tien were in the previous tournament.
He also does not have any Ki Sensing abilities, so he definitely would not know how powerful they were.

His Super Dodonpa should have Homing Attack though.

 

[Vizer04]

But still, i think he should be 5-C

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

But still, i think he should be 5-C

Why? Any reasons to why Tao would scale to 5-C?

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tf is this CRT

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why? Any reasons to why Tao would scale to 5-C?

Bump

Answer that please

 

[Shmooply]

Deja Vu...
I swear, didn't somebody try to upgrade Tao and all the other characters to 5-C for different reasons months ago? I disagree with the OP obviously.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Tf is this CRT

Good Question.

 

[DaReaperMan]

"Tao should be 5-C because I said so and I will not give any scans or actual evidence... make Tao 5-C now"

 

[Vizer04]

"Tao should be 5-C because I said so and I will not give any scans or actual evidence... make Tao 5-C now"

This

And this

 

[DaReaperMan]

This

And this

statements from the man himself with no indication that he even knows how powerful the other characters are

 

[Vizer04]

But he and Tsurusen'nin (Tien's former master) know how powerful they were back in the 22°TB

 

[DaReaperMan]

That means nothing to someone who knows jack about the series, Were they 5-C at the time and would he know how powerful they were now

 

[Vizer04]

Were they 5-C at the time

Yes, they were 5-C in the 22°TB

and would he know how powerful they were now

That's irrelevant for my argument

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes, they were 5-C in the 22°TB

That's irrelevant for my argument

Then are we sure this wasnt a Villain being overconfident? from memory DB has a lot of that

It was to cover the "no" side of things.

 

[Vizer04]

Then are we sure this wasnt a Villain being overconfident? from memory DB has a lot of that

It was to cover the "no" side of things.

Yes, there's a lot of overconfident villains in DB, but Tao isn't one of them.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yes, there's a lot of overconfident villains in DB, but Tao isn't one of them.

He was vs tien

 

[Vizer04]

He was vs tien

No, he wasn't...

 

[Dalesean027]

The video you sent is no dialogue and I literally already sent the scans from the manga

That doesn't show anything Tao says he can kill tien and we literally see him fail to do so in that fight, his statement turned out to be false and tien casually tanks his strongest attack, one shots tao, and even says he doesn't want to fight tao not because tao is a threat b ut because he doesn't want to humiliate tao and shame him

Here's Tien one shotting Tao

Literally this along with the scans you already sent show that Tao was overconfident in his own words vs the actual outcome of the fight and Tien's own words here

 

[Dalesean027]

This

And this

Literally everything in this fight shows that Tao was overconfident and was wholly wrong in his boast

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And this

The second one is literally contradicted by Tien effortlessly blitzing Tao

 

[Vizer04]

Literally everything in this fight shows that Tao was overconfident and was wholly wrong in his boast

Do you know why do they closed this thread?

The first error in their argument was the power levels.

It says Chi-Chi had 130 and Cyborg Tao had 210 but this contradicts what we saw in the manga, that she fares way better against Goku than Tao did against Tien (and Goku was stronger than Tien).

 

[Dalesean027]

This wasn't your arguement here though and I've already said this

the only real evidence comes from Daizenshuu 7 (1996) with Tao having surpassed roshi who was surpassed by a much earlier goku was moon level so by scaling he would be 5-C

You weren't arguing this point in the thread and used other scans that didn't only hurt your arguement

It says Chi-Chi had 130 and Cyborg Tao had 210 but this contradicts what we saw in the manga, that she fares way better against Goku than Tao did against Tien (and Goku was stronger than Tien).

Seems you also didn't listen to anything said in either thread or else you would literally know the explanations for both scenario's as well

 

[Bernkastelll]

Nnone of these scans support it, and one of the scans literally were contradicted and showed that Tao is nowhere close from Tien level, heck, you tried to push the 5-C also to Chichi

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yeah that Dazenshuu scan is valid enough to 5-C

 

[SirAlex09]

Tao should be 5C because Roshi at Full power (180) was said to be moon level. And the Daizenshuu puts him at 210 so logically he scales to that. This is backed up by the series that Tao was confident he could kill Goku and Tien. As the OP showed in his scan he was refering to 22nd Budokai Goku and Tien.. There is no reason not to put Cyborg Tao at 5C.

Chi Chi however isn't 5C. Goku held back severely and never took the fight seriously. Also the Daizenshuu puts her below a non serious Roshi who isn't moon level either

 

[DaReaperMan]

We don't scale to stated power levels(goku is over 9000 right?) and Tao lost hard to tien, getting blitzed and stomped by him.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

We don't scale to stated power levels(goku is over 9000 right?) and Tao lost hard to tien, getting blitzed and stomped by him.

While it's true, Goku's power level in the Saiyan Saga is actually 8,000 rather than 9,000

 

[SirAlex09]

We don't scale to stated power levels(goku is over 9000 right?) and Tao lost hard to tien, getting blitzed and stomped by him.

Well if that's a rule he has to remain in his current tier

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well if that's a rule he has to remain in his current tier

Yeah... I believe we have never used power levels for DB due to their inconsistency both within themselves and the actual scaling shown, as we take feats over statements here. Super Dodon Wave has nothing else to go off of and as such is indeed "Likely 5-C", Tao physically however does not have that kind of scaling for reasons stated above

 

[SirAlex09]

Yeah... I believe we have never used power levels for DB due to their inconsistency both within themselves and the actual scaling shown, as we take feats over statements here.

Hold on. I change my mind because it was incorrect what you said about PL. The only context where PL aren'T used here is when trying to estimate a precise increase in power in the sense of a multiplier because they seem more exponential than linear. It isn't a general Power level ban.
It's totally fine to use them as a tool to compare characters to each other and have never been contradicted in that regard.

Also the actual scaling doesn't contradict anything because Cyborg Tao is scaling to 22nd Tien and not 23nd Tien.... This is also backed up by the fact that Roshi was shocked that Goku beat Tao and even called Tao an absolute monster, which implies that Tao is dangerously close to his full power , which in return is Moon level.

 

[DaReaperMan]

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, if I'm right I'm right, I'm calling one of the main supporters on Dragon Ball here (mostly due to the scans showing otherwise, and me not feeling up to debating a verse I hate)