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I was on Gojo's side but i'm neutral now.
Sukuna seems more logical now
Sukuna seems more logical now
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First WI was on Gojo's side but i'm neutral now.
Sukuna seems more logical now
First W
Gojo's only win condition is Sukuna getting bribed by Gojo fans and intentionally losing, which we know Sukuna wouldn't do.I was on Gojo's side but i'm neutral now.
Sukuna seems more logical now
Good choicesukuna fra domain expansion can bypass infinity
First (and last) WSukuna slams
This isn't true. Sukuna wins every Domain Clash due to his open-barrier Domain being able to attack whichever side of Gojo's Barrier is weaker, meaning that Gojo will lose the clash in seconds similarly to how the very first Domain Clash went.so every domain clash should go the same as it did in the anime until gojo one shots via domain
He will literally do what he does in canon and reinforce the outer barrier.This isn't true. Sukuna wins every Domain Clash due to his open-barrier Domain being able to attack whichever side of Gojo's Barrier is weaker, meaning that Gojo will lose the clash in seconds similarly to how the very first Domain Clash went.
Gojo will burn through all 5 chances he has while Sukuna will still be on his first Domain of the day. The fight will only last a period of minutes.
Then Gojo's all of the domains gets smoked by Single domain of Sukuna just like in canonHe will literally do what he does in canon and reinforce the outer barrier.
Prove chants doesn't affect Domains. Canonically Barriers are created by chants. Show us the proof for Domain not getting amped by chantsvoting gojo for domain expansion gg
Chants dont affect a domains sure hit and theres no proof of it doing so, so every domain clash should go the same as it did in the anime until gojo one shots via domain
What Gojo did is flip the conditions of his Barrier– making the outside stronger in exchange for weakening the inside.He will literally do what he does in canon and reinforce the outer barrier.
Gojo is the same, the differences are with Sukuna.Going off the comments, this fight happened in canon, what's the difference with the versions being used now that would change the results?
This fight is gonna happen almost exactly how it did in canon, the only difference is Sukuna might be better at h2h and doing techs. Ultimately without Mahoraga, Sukuna and Gojo will still do the same rct of their brain to keep replenishing after their domains are defeated, Gojo will still shrink his domain to the point Sukuna has to also decrease his range to strengthen the output and like in canon Gojo damaged him good enough to the point he couldn't maintain his domain. This just like in their fight caused Sukuna unable to use his domain for a while. I think the main difference is since Gojo doesn't have to worry about adaptation or Maho spawning, he may just opt for another purple and from closer range Sukuna is gonna get hurt by it and become much weaker than Gojo and this time he won't have any way of escaping it.Going off the comments, this fight happened in canon, what's the difference with the versions being used now that would change the results?
SukunaPros
Better domain sure hit
better ct
more stamina
more likely to hit black flash (read the manga if you disagree)
Cons
Domain can be broken easier
Weaker in h2h
Pros
Better ct use (four arms & chants)
Better domain (barrier-less)
Cons
No way to adapt
Can't replenish his output like Gojo can
Weaker domain sure hit
Yeah and you’re acting like Gojo didn’t force sukuna to shut off his domain via just hurting him with a single red, that will still occur here.Then Gojo's all of the domains gets smoked by Single domain of Sukuna just like in canon
The fact that a domains sure hit technique and the technique itself are separated. In canon, So sukuna chanting would only empower his own technique, and not the surehit.Prove chants doesn't affect Domains. Canonically Barriers are created by chants. Show us the proof for Domain not getting amped by chants
Sukuna copied Or knows about CT recovery by watching Gojo or he himself why wouldn't he replicate same thing? You are making things up at this point. So Meguna can copy CT recovery from Gojo but True form Sukuna can't?This fight is gonna happen almost exactly how it did in canon, the only difference is Sukuna might be better at h2h and doing techs. Ultimately without Mahoraga, Sukuna and Gojo will still do the same rct of their brain to keep replenishing after their domains are defeated, Gojo will still shrink his domain to the point Sukuna has to also decrease his range to strengthen the output and like in canon Gojo damaged him good enough to the point he couldn't maintain his domain. This just like in their fight caused Sukuna unable to use his domain for a while. I think the main difference is since Gojo doesn't have to worry about adaptation or Maho spawning, he may just opt for another purple and from closer range Sukuna is gonna get hurt by it and become much weaker than Gojo and this time he won't have any way of escaping it.
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Technically this. These are what canonically stated or shown.Going off the comments, this fight happened in canon, what's the difference with the versions being used now that would change the results?
Sukuna having disadvantage in his true form is just headcanons which doesn't exist in canon.
- Chants amplify True Form Sukuna's output by 120%, while Meguna and Gojo were equal in their domain clash. Gojo would lose against True Form Sukuna because of the higher output from chants.
- Sukuna can use his Domain and Anti-domain techniques at the same time because he has four arms and two mouths. Therefore, he wouldn't be hit by UV. You should go back and read the explanation I sent above properly.
- Gojo would get his five domains wrecked by Sukuna's single domain, with the advantage of double casting and changing barrier conditions. Gojo would get brain-fried, and his RCT would be lowered. He wouldn't have the same level of regeneration as in his first domain clash against Sukuna. Meanwhile, Sukuna still has four more chances to cast the domain. If Sukuna closes his barriers, it would make it impossible for Gojo to escape, and he would eventually get chopped to pieces and die. Simple domain techniques of Gojo or any other techniques wouldn't hold up much, as it's clearly mentioned in the first domain clash.
- More importantly, Gojo himself states that Sukuna could have broken Gojo's domain whenever he wanted by changing the barrier's conditions. So what I said above is more valid than any of your arguments from ignorance.
You still not even sent one scan to back up what you said. I will take it as burden of proof.Yeah and you’re acting like Gojo didn’t force sukuna to shut off his domain via just hurting him with a single red, that will still occur here.
The fact that a domains sure hit technique and the technique itself are separated. In canon, So sukuna chanting would only empower his own technique, and not the surehit.
Did I say Sukuna can't do it? No I in fact pointed out they could both do itSukuna copied Or knows about CT recovery by watching Gojo or he himself why wouldn't he replicate same thing? You are making things up at this point. So Meguna can copy CT recovery from Gojo but True form Sukuna can't?
Sukuna and Gojo will still do the same rct of their brain to keep replenishing after their domains are defeated
When did Dismantle ever cancel out Red? And wdym "like how he used piercing water"?Also funny thing Sukuna can cancel out Gojos red by sending his dismantle slashes like how he used Piercing water. Gojo just chanted and amped Red there. You must be joking if you seriously thinks Sukuna would stand still and let Gojo fire purple whole he can send dismantle without care while piercing water needed charge up time.
Did I say Sukuna can't do it? No I in fact pointed out they could both do it
I was talking about this. I thought you are talking about CT Burnout. My bad.Cons
No way to adapt
Can't replenish his output like Gojo can
Weaker domain sure hit
I said that Dismantle, like PW, should be able to cancel out Red, not that Dismantle cancelled out Red. Dismantle has more NPI than PW. I don't see why Dismantle can't do what PW can do.When did Dismantle ever cancel out Red? And wdym "like how he used piercing water"?
Canonically Gojo's Purple takes charging.He wouldn't stand still but purple has a wide range regular and with chants it would be increase or he could just launch an exploding purple.
Yeah because Sukuna can't hit black flashes like Gojo can?I was talking about this.
Yeah an unlimited one + chanted one? Go back to when he shot it at Hanami or Toji.Canonically Gojo's Purple takes charging.
He didn't intercept it there? Are you meaning he can try? Do you think piercing water is on Red's level of power?Canonically Sukuna was able to intercept Red with PW. Gojo amplified his red. PW needs charging time like PB. Dismantle doesn't
The thing that can't hit Gojo?Let's not talk about His Cursed tools
Prove they can do that lmao.He has one way or another way to cancel out red so that Gojo wouldn't get chance to fire Unlimited HP or Normal HP.
Yeah an unlimited one + chanted one? Go back to when he shot it at Hanami or Toji.
Read what's written in the narrative. It was stated that Gojo amped Red in the meantime PW was about to intercept it. Sukuna was confident enough that PW was going to destroy the Red. Gojo wouldn't have amped it if it didn't have the power to intercept with Red.He didn't intercept it there? Are you meaning he can try? Do you think piercing water is on Red's level of power?
Never said it can hit Gojo I was talking about Lightning intercepting Red.The thing that can't hit Gojo?
Prove Red is some technique which needs special abilities or NPI to intercept with. I don't have to prove the negative.Prove they can do that lmao.
The general point is that purple will be much harder to simply dodge from up close, something Sukuna makes clear he's wary of.
- Both has 3 pages of charging up and showcasing Gojo needs to make hand signs and needs to merge Blue and Red
- If you seriously think that Toji's Hanami's purple negs Sukuna, despite Current Gojo going all out with 200% amped purple with Utahime's help and a surprise cheap shot being able to block it, I can't help you.
Are you suggesting that a guy who was able to intercept a 200% cheap shot from Gojo would just let his guard down and wait for Gojo to fire the technique, instead of dodging it? Despite Gojo moves his hands in the direction where he fires purple?
Well UHP I already said Sukuna would send dismantles. Also Sukuna can get close to Gojo and null the ability with DA. Unless you have proof for Gojo gets out of Sukuna's range and somehow sets up UHP. Which he couldn't do it in canon so far.
Read what's written in the narrative. It was stated that Gojo amped Red in the meantime PW was about to intercept it. Sukuna was confident enough that PW was going to destroy the Red. Gojo wouldn't have amped it if it didn't have the power to intercept with Red.
Never said it can hit Gojo I was talking about Lightning intercepting Red.
Prove Red is some technique which needs special abilities or NPI to intercept with. I don't have to prove the negative.
He is talking about his Weakened states not his full health. This state wouldn't be happening. This time Sukuna has less option so he would end Gojo in domain Battle. Gojo himself states Sukuna could have chosen to destroyed Barriers but he chose riskier optionThe general point is that purple will be much harder to simply dodge from up close, something Sukuna makes clear he's wary of.
Close Range Sukuna can use DA to minimise Red. Blue will be completely useless.Not sure why this Red point matters much, Gojo can just send out Blues to move away any attack that Sukuna uses to hit Red with or even just protect Red himself or have Red circle around like he did in the fight.
Ben de öyle düşünüyorum ama hala kararsızım.Bu kabul edilebilir görünüyor. Heian Era Sukuna'nın Gojo'nun sonsuzluk hakkına verecek bir cevabı yok. Mahoraga bu kez kardeşinin yanında değil
Sukuna can't collapse the barrier from within because the sure-hit effects are canceling each other out. He destroyed it the second time by turning off his sure-hit effect inside Unlimited Void's barrier to strengthen the sure-hit outside of itGojo himself states Sukuna could have chosen to destroyed Barriers but he chose riskier option
This time as shown against Yuta Sukuna would spam HWB to protect himself from Sure hit off Gojo
and
Collapses Gojos domain from inside like this
While Sukuna who will be not using much DE have 4 more DE. Gojo will be in this condition
Sukuna closes the domain and Gojo eventually dies because of he wouldn't be having time or RCT or anything to hit BF in that tough conditions
Are you seriously suggesting Domain Amplification makes Sukuna fight worse? Not only is this never suggested, it's even shown to not be the case at all
This is Gojo vs Sukuna when Sukuna stoped using adaptation and started using DA.
This is Gojo when Sukuna uses DA to properly defend himself. Easily catches Gojo and nulls blue's affects.
This is when both has. CT burnout Gojos attacks aren't much. Oh let's not forget when CT burnout happen Sukuna should be able to use cursed tools to damage Gojo. Also Gojo isn't any superior in H2H skills when he isn't using his blue. Sukuna can block his attack easily this is we are talking about 2 hands only not his true form which has four hands.
Consistently narratively shows whenever Sukuna uses DA he is on par with Gojo without sustaining muh damage putting up a good fight just with 2 hands. His True form with 2 cursed tools and 2 more hands and a mouth in the stomach wouldn't be the same.
Either he can catch Gojo like how did with Kashimo using his DA and use Cursed tools to put an end. I'm not saying Cursed tool can still use CT but they should be still durable enough to function even without CT like Playful Cloud. Both has sharp edges as designed for fighting even without CT. DA only nulls innate technique not it's toughness. If not Sukuna can still use his mouth to rip Gojo apart.
Don't send me scans for Gojo dominating Sukuna when Sukuna wasn't using DA because it's canonically happened due to Mahoraga. Here he doens't have a reason to not use DA and defend himself. As above I pointed out whenever he uses DA he was comparable to Gojo even in Megumi body this is not the same when comes to his True Form which has additional limbs and mouth + cursed tools.
Sukuna can't collapse the barrier from within because the sure-hit effects are canceling each other out. He destroyed it the second time by turning off his sure-hit effect inside Unlimited Void's barrier to strengthen the sure-hit outside of it
Me & others already addressed this part so you are ignoring the arguments me and others madeHe would have to manually destroy it from within, and that's not feasible since Gojo fully expected him to try that
This has nothing to do with what I said.Are you seriously suggesting Domain Amplification makes Sukuna fight worse? Not only is this never suggested, it's even shown to not be the case at all
Sukuna can seamlessly switch between Innate Techniques and Domain Amplification
Moreover, his hand-to-hand skill is shown to be completely unfettered even while switching between Domain Amplification and Innate Techniques
Gojo outdoing him in hand-to-hand combat is completely valid and not at all a disputed idea
More than that, Gojo stood on business against a Malevolent Shrine-amped Sukuna after his Domain was shattered and Limitless was burnt out, thus Infinity and Blue were not at all factors, meaning he was fine against a significant stat advantage just off of his sheer hand-to-hand skill alone
Seriously, there's no certainty that two extra arms brings to the table when Gojo put absolute hands on Sukuna in every prolonged hand-to-hand confrontation
Especially not when mf is crazy enough to try shit like this mid-combat
Already addressed this so another argument from Ignorance from your end. I ain't gonna keep on replying to you with the scans again and again go back and read the arguments properlySide Concerns
- Incantations would only apply to techniques that already have known empowering words that aren't there by default, and expanding a domain already involves hand signs and chanting "Domain Expansion." And it's not like Sukuna's true form uses stronger incantations. The benefit of his true form is that he can spam incantations due to his extra mouth. It isn't suggested that they're even stronger incantations
He needed to evolve his CT which was stated twice in the middle of the fight so he was indeed holding back whatever you say doesn't matter.
- Why are people acting like True Form Sukuna low-diffs Gojo? The entire premise of him holding off on using it is because it acts as a free heal and the benefits of his original body aren't as certain as having Mahoraga's adaptation as a backup plan. He held it back because he knew the fight against Gojo would be the fight of his life and that he'd be jumped by Jujutsu High after wins, thus he needed to hold off on the free heal. If he really could fight him without much consequential damage and low-diff him just like that, he would
He is talking about his Weakened states not his full health. This state wouldn't be happening. This time Sukuna has less option so he would end Gojo in domain Battle. Gojo himself states Sukuna could have chosen to destroyed Barriers but he chose riskier option
This time as shown against Yuta Sukuna would spam HWB to protect himself from Sure hit off Gojo
and
Collapses Gojos domain from inside like this
While Sukuna who will be not using much DE have 4 more DE. Gojo will be in this condition
Sukuna closes the domain and Gojo eventually dies because of he wouldn't be having time or RCT or anything to hit BF in that tough conditions
Close Range Sukuna can use DA to minimise Red. Blue will be completely useless.
This is Gojo vs Sukuna when Sukuna stoped using adaptation and started using DA.
This is Gojo when Sukuna uses DA to properly defend himself. Easily catches Gojo and nulls blue's affects.
This is when both has. CT burnout Gojos attacks aren't much. Oh let's not forget when CT burnout happen Sukuna should be able to use cursed tools to damage Gojo. Also Gojo isn't any superior in H2H skills when he isn't using his blue. Sukuna can block his attack easily this is we are talking about 2 hands only not his true form which has four hands.
Consistently narratively shows whenever Sukuna uses DA he is on par with Gojo without sustaining muh damage putting up a good fight just with 2 hands. His True form with 2 cursed tools and 2 more hands and a mouth in the stomach wouldn't be the same.
Either he can catch Gojo like how did with Kashimo using his DA and use Cursed tools to put an end. I'm not saying Cursed tool can still use CT but they should be still durable enough to function even without CT like Playful Cloud. Both has sharp edges as designed for fighting even without CT. DA only nulls innate technique not it's toughness. If not Sukuna can still use his mouth to rip Gojo apart.
Don't send me scans for Gojo dominating Sukuna when Sukuna wasn't using DA because it's canonically happened due to Mahoraga. Here he doens't have a reason to not use DA and defend himself. As above I pointed out whenever he uses DA he was comparable to Gojo even in Megumi body this is not the same when comes to his True Form which has additional limbs and mouth + cursed tools.
No. None of you did that. You just said "Sukuna can just destroy his barrier from the inside" as though it would be that easyMe & others already addressed this part so you are ignoring the arguments me and others made
You implied that purely risky fighting by not using DA is what he was doing. He was, in fact, seamlessly switching to DA every time he attacked. And regardless, Gojo maintained the advantage during every prolonged hand-to-hand confrontationThis has nothing to do with what I said.
And I disputed that. Every prolonged hand-to-hand interaction ended up in Gojo's advantageAlready addressed this too.
No I didn't. I just argued against that by pointing out that Gojo's h2h skill is sufficient to fend off a significantly stat-advantaged Sukuna. Managing against four arms is very much feasibleI also sent the scans for how he uses 4 arms efficiently. So you ignored my explanation.
What are you even trying to say? I'm just pointing out that he could do a maneuver like that mid-combat. Quit wafflingFunny you sent the scans where Sukuna wasn't using DA. Also even funny in this case Gojo didn't landed a single hit on Sukuna despite using Blue. This is you completely ignoring my last point.
Already addressed this so another argument from Ignorance from your end. I ain't gonna keep on replying to you with the scans again and again go back and read the arguments properly
"Already addressed"
Didn't actually prove that Domain Expansion has any extra incantations that would amplify it
He quite literally nearly had him with the first Domain clash and even planned on killing him during the final. You've literally pointed this out before in the discussion thread. Insane switch-upHe needed to evolve his CT which was stated twice in the middle of the fight so he was indeed holding back whatever you say doesn't matter.
In conclusion:In conclusion:
Your arguments stems from ignorance on my arguments and scans. So you should take your time & read what I said properly.
Thanks for proving you haven't read a single arguments properly.No. None of you did that. You just said "Sukuna can just destroy his barrier from the inside" as though it would be that easy
You implied that purely risky fighting by not using DA is what he was doing. He was, in fact, seamlessly switching to DA every time he attacked. And regardless, Gojo maintained the advantage during every prolonged hand-to-hand confrontation
And I disputed that. Every prolonged hand-to-hand interaction ended up in Gojo's advantage
No I didn't. I just argued against that by pointing out that Gojo's h2h skill is sufficient to fend off a significantly stat-advantaged Sukuna. Managing against four arms is very much feasible
What are you even trying to say? I'm just pointing out that he could do a maneuver like that mid-combat. Quit waffling
He quite literally nearly had him with the first Domain clash and even planned on killing him during the final. You've literally pointed this out before in the discussion thread. Insane switch-up
Mahoraga's adaptation was set up in case he couldn't win the Domain clash
In conclusion:
Your arguments stems from ignorance on my arguments and scans, as well as disputed arguments. So you should take your time & read what I said properly.
Right back at youThanks for proving you haven't read a single arguments properly.
He started off by putting him on the ropesGojo fans: Sukuna was trying to kill Gojo from the beginning be didn't took Riskier path.
Gojo fans source:
Meanwhile Canon material:
"expanding a domain already involves hand signs and chanting..." -meGojo fans: Domains don't have chants and signs
Gojo fans Source:
While Canon material:
Gojo fans: Sukuna stopping Gojo = he was trying to kill him right there.Sukuna: i won't let you escape because I'm planning on draining you out so that I can adapt to infinity
"expanding a domain already involves hand signs and chanting..." -me
No way you're realScans: Domain have barriers & barriers needs chants/ words. Gojo states it also depends on CE. Cutting off Hakari hand stated to not being able to cast domain because of not able to use sign.
Gojo fans argument: Deposit I lack burden of proof. I'm not gonna prove shit. Gonna call you Goofball because why not. Domains don't have chants despite scans says otherwise. I'm not making things up.