Heian Era Sukuna vs Satoru Gojo

[azontr]

Must be the power of Black Flash. Let's see if you can pull it off again.


I forget what you're referring to. From what I recall, it was whoever took substantial damage first had their domain get the boot.

I'm confused, is the analogy if Yuta and Maki were to "fuse" akin to what Sukuna does with his hosts? Need to understand to give an appropriate response.

...He adapted to Infinity. A technique Gojo uses on himself and doesn't attack with... According to you, Mahoraga never should've adapted two methods to bypass Infinity.

That's fair enough.

I forget this is Gojo right after being released from the Seal. So yeah, he wouldn't know about that.

Ah, no, I didn't see that. Apologies. I had to get the response out quick given right now it's 2 on 1 and what not.

This feels like semantics. Restricted, Taken away, Limited, etc. I felt the message I was trying to convey was still quite clear. He has far more freedom to use his techniques against Sukuna than he did in the actual fight. It's why I explicitly made note of the fact Gojo could still use his attacks and noted a conservative fighting approach instead of saying he never used his techniques. It was exaggeration to use "taken away". But I figured that was obvious. Apologies if it wasn't,


He couldn't just spam attacks like I was suggesting though. I already noted that in my last comment. That would drastically speed up the adaptation process.

This all only makes sense if Gojo thinks Sukuna would be summoning someone significantly weaker than himself, despite he himself stating that with Mahoraga, he had the potential to beat himself. It should be quite simple to deduce that Mahoraga is not some jobber he can erase with a simple punch.

Spamming wouldn't be more beneficial, nor really ANY of the suggestions you offered. Spam attacks? Cool, just accelerates Mahoraga's adaptation. Would say the same for teleportation, but you seem to disagree with that. So unless you wanna vc on discord or smth, I don't really wanna continue on that tangent. Gojo as we heard according to his own thoughts took the OPPOSITE strategy, because he believed that was the safer approach. And instead tried to used fewer of his techniques and catch them off guard with another one. And that's explicitly because of Mahoraga's adaptation. So this isn't in any way indicative of the way he fights when he can use his technique without consequences. We have other instances that can be used throughout the series that would serve as a better example of what he would do. First fight with Sukuna? Teleportation spam. Jogo? Red, Domain Expansion. Toji? Blue numerous times, Red, and then Purple. Used Blue to clear up fodder clones. Against the Disaster Curses he did have to use H2H due to there being several + domain amplification + innocents all around that could be killed, and even then he tried his best to find the oppurtunity to use his Techniques, such as Domain Expansion.

He very clearly favors abusing his techniques when he thinks he can without consequence. Stop using the one instance where he feels he should use them more sparingly to dictate how he'd fight without the need to worry about risks.

You'll look pretty goofy when the dude survives the rockets and fires back at you because you neglected to consider the fact they can survive that. Could've easily been avoided, but alas.

Because why would you want to draw out a fight in a life or death fight against a dude you know has the capacity to easily murder you? I know some peeps like to fight with honor even with such risks on the line, but I didn't take you for the type. Me personally, I'm taking care of them asap with my rocket launcher. You can draw it out and maybe live to regret it.


You forgot to mention that they can't adapt to your techniques if you don't use them. So it's justifiable for you to think using close quarters combat would be a feasible method to beat them. Since there's nothing to adapt to. Your life is still at risk of course, but thinking you shouldn't use the thing that your opponent can adapt to (Granted they can survive it, which you aren't aware of, so you're taking a huge risk if you try to finish them off with it asap) asap and as often as possible is entirely justified.

I'm also going to assume you meant dire as opposed to desire. Anyways, I would unironically argue with you on the latter scenario being more dire. The more dire scenario is whatever one you choose to play more stupidly. Fighting an opponent who can't adapt to your abilities? Finish them off asap and don't five them the opportunity to harm or kill you (I assume you don't want to be harmed. Unless you're into that, then no judgement from me). Fighting an opponent who can gradually adapt to your moves? Avoid using moves in question and instead just opt for close quarters. That's your best bet. Especially if you aren't fully aware of your opponents strength/durability, as that would very easily result in fatal outcome.

Of course, that's why I crossed it out when I listed it as a possibility. Since it's something Gojo wouldn't be aware of (Until after it has happened and his move has no effect ofc).

It feels at this rate, we'll continue ad nauseum, so I'd be fine with just agreeing to disagree. At least on here, because debating on Vs Wiki quickly becomes cancerous. And I think we can both agree on that.

Yeah I ain't reading allat. At this point we can just agree to disagree, because I'm to tired and to busy to be having fifty page VSWiki debates.

 

[PsychoWarper]

I don’t particularly want to but ill vote Sukuna FRA

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Took some time for digging the scans

• Sukuna Original Body was stored by Tengen.
• Sukuna despite having Megumi Body + 19F states he needs to eat his Orginal body to compensate for the full power
• Which Back-ups the point that Megumi Body can't compensate for a finger worth value for Sukuna alone.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Voting Inconclusive.

Imo it's made pretty ambiguous as to how this fight would go with Gojo glazing sukuna with the maybe's being something Gege threw into the highlight this point (as many would assume Sukuna NEEDED Maho to win). That being said I find a lot of the Sukuna arguments are just throwing something at the wall without real indication of how it actually beats Gojo. Extra hands are nice but if Sukuna's best bet is just adding extra arms for DA...he's not really achieving anything. Domain expansion refinement isn't a CE thing, as Kenjaku is demonstrably weaker than Gojo/Sukuna yet is refined enough to have an open barrier, so not seeing how chants really help him.

The two biggest factors of this fight are: The domain battles and knowledge. Gojo's domain is gonna get clapped initially and he'll have to fight a much stronger Sukuna 1 v 1 during this time, however, I fail to see why people think this means Sukuna will dominate. Blue and Red are still extremely OP and also give Gojo much more utility. He was absolutely dominating the inside domain fights so at best it's more equal if anything. People forget that Gojo fought 20F Sukuna + Mahoraga + Agito which is for sure arguably > Sukuna with 4 arms alone. However, major component of this fight that's being missed is Sukuna's lack of knowledge of UV. Whether people like it or not, Sukuna made it clear that despite full knowledge, he wanted to secure his victory by utilizing Mahoraga to bypass UV and Infinity. This means he took them as substantial threats and needed the kit. Without knowledge of Mahoraga, the slight slips that sukuna did make in the fight (particularly against UV despite knowledge) could cost him here against UV.

If Sukuna had knowledge here I'd probably slightly favor him in a very close fight, but having to figure out Infinity, Purple, and UV on the fly and without Maho makes this way to blurry for me to decide.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Domain expansion refinement isn't a CE thing, as Kenjaku is demonstrably weaker than Gojo/Sukuna yet is refined enough to have an open barrier, so not seeing how chants really help him.

Gojo states cursed energy also matters not just refinement

Blue and Red are still extremely OP and also give Gojo much more utility.

Red can be cancelled out by dismantle like how PW was used in chapter 235.
Blue output can be reduced by DA not saying it would completely negate it but it is enough to tank and Regenerate with RCT.

He was absolutely dominating the inside domain fights so at best it's more equal if anything.

Meguna with 2 arms + has no cursed tools.
Also he was Using TS so couldn't Fully defend against Gojos attacks.

People forget that Gojo fought 20F Sukuna + Mahoraga + Agito which is for sure arguably > Sukuna with 4 arms alone.

Only for 2-3 chapters where Sukuna was weakened and Gojo had his output back from BF.
Also no Sorcerer can use BF freely. So in this match Gojo pulling that off is just lucky call.

However, major component of this fight that's being missed is Sukuna's lack of knowledge of UV. Whether people like it or not, Sukuna made it clear that despite full knowledge, he wanted to secure his victory by utilizing Mahoraga to bypass UV and Infinity. This means he took them as substantial threats and needed the kit. Without knowledge of Mahoraga, the slight slips that sukuna did make in the fight (particularly against UV despite knowledge) could cost him here against UV.

If Sukuna had knowledge here I'd probably slightly favor him in a very close fight, but having to figure out Infinity, Purple, and UV on the fly and without Maho makes this way to blurry for me to decide.

I would say because he lacks the knowledge on Gojos domain he would try to avoid getting hit by it. Tengen clearly mentioned Heian Era domains were too crafty. So Sukuna shouldn't take risky moves like getting hit by Gojos domain. Btw I do agree if he gets hit it would be over for him but I would say he will not. He would try everything to avoid it.

 

[Zabazab]

Isn't Limitless negged until Gojo destroys & heals his right prefrontal cortex after Sukuna destroys his Domain(s)? I don't think he can handle a non-sandbagging prime Sukuna inside his Domain without his CT, and have the freedom to spend enough time using RCT on his exhausted CT.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Isn't Limitless negged until Gojo destroys & heals his right prefrontal cortex after Sukuna destroys his Domain(s)? I don't think he can handle a non-sandbagging prime Sukuna inside his Domain without his CT, and have the freedom to spend enough time using RCT on his exhausted CT.

Sukuna never sandbagged; I'm not sure where you're pulling that narrative from. Both have their CT limited after a domain concludes, but within the domains, they can still use their CT. Sukuna doesn't know that Gojo can heal his CT (which will give Gojo essentially a free hit as it did in the fight) nor that Gojo can spam/deform his domain, all which will be challenges for him. Sukuna's biggest advantage there being he has his tools to compensate in the downtime.

 

[Zabazab]

Sukuna never sandbagged; I'm not sure where you're pulling that narrative from.

He didn't use any CT outside the one granted to his Domain as he wanted to adapt to the entirety of Limitless before killing Gojo. He could've ended the battle before the Domain stage concluded, but he chose not to. I'd personally call passing up an easier win sandbagging.

Like "Sukuna could have won at any time, but chose to bleed from his eyes for fun" but... unironically...

Sukuna doesn't know that Gojo can heal his CT (which will give Gojo essentially a free hit as it did in the fight) nor that Gojo can spam/deform his domain, all which will be challenges for him.

I'd argue his lack of knowledge about restoring burnt-out Techniques is an advantage, since it'll result in him using it less after copying Gojo, and doing less damage to his brain.

Gojo will get a free hit in yes, but we see that he didn't even damage Sukuna enough to disable his Domain with it.

Additionally, Sukuna will destroy Gojo's reformed barrier much more quickly as he won't be going for the riskier option of attacking the strengthened outside and will instead just attack the weakened inside due to not having Mahoraga (who he wants to take the time to adapt to each aspect of Limitless).


Gojo's glazing really convinced me wcis

 

[Dr._whiteee]

He didn't use any CT outside the one granted to his Domain as he wanted to adapt to the entirety of Limitless before killing Gojo.

Yes indeed...because they were useless to Infinity which you just explained.

He could've ended the battle before the Domain stage concluded, but he chose not to. I'd personally call passing up an easier win sandbagging.

What? No he couldn't. His initial advantage was his domain being bigger and barrierless. Sukuna was 100% trying to kill Gojo with the flood of thousands of domain slashes , Gojo just adapted each time to not be killed and pushed Sukuna inside of his own domain. There is no interpretation where Sukuna could have killed Gojo but decided not to and that spits in the face of the ethos of the whole fight.

Like "Sukuna could have won at any time, but chose to bleed from his eyes for fun" but... unironically...

Yeah, if someone were to posit this unironically I would be under the impression that they, too were experiencing some brain hemorrhaging.

I'd argue his lack of knowledge about restoring burnt-out Techniques is an advantage, since it'll result in him using it less after copying Gojo, and doing less damage to his brain.

Sukuna had to do such to keep pace, it wasn't a choice on his end. Sukuna had Mahoraga as a summon to account for this while Gojo did not. Sukuna will not have Mahoraga here.

Gojo will get a free hit in yes, but we see that he didn't even damage Sukuna enough to disable his Domain with it.

Not sure how you'd come to this conclusion when Gojo's blue punches still hurt him, red still hurts him, and blue can also be used to rip apart space which Sukuna can't tank.

Additionally, Sukuna will destroy Gojo's reformed barrier much more quickly as he won't be going for the riskier option of attacking the strengthened outside and will instead just attack the weakened inside due to not having Mahoraga (who he wants to take the time to adapt to each aspect of Limitless).

I would need scans suggesting he could do that to the stronger inner shell with their domains being equal.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yes indeed...because they were useless to Infinity which you just explained.

What? No he couldn't. His initial advantage was his domain being bigger and barrierless. Sukuna was 100% trying to kill Gojo with the flood of thousands of domain slashes , Gojo just adapted each time to not be killed and pushed Sukuna inside of his own domain. There is no interpretation where Sukuna could have killed Gojo but decided not to and that spits in the face of the ethos of the whole fight.

Yeah, if someone were to posit this unironically I would be under the impression that they, too were experiencing some brain hemorrhaging.

Sukuna had to do such to keep pace, it wasn't a choice on his end. Sukuna had Mahoraga as a summon to account for this while Gojo did not. Sukuna will not have Mahoraga here.

Not sure how you'd come to this conclusion when Gojo's blue punches still hurt him, red still hurts him, and blue can also be used to rip apart space which Sukuna can't tank.

Gojo states cursed energy also matters not just refinement

Red can be cancelled out by dismantle like how PW was used in chapter 235.
Blue output can be reduced by DA not saying it would completely negate it but it is enough to tank and Regenerate with RCT.

Meguna with 2 arms + has no cursed tools.
Also he was Using TS so couldn't Fully defend against Gojos attacks.

Only for 2-3 chapters where Sukuna was weakened and Gojo had his output back from BF.
Also no Sorcerer can use BF freely. So in this match Gojo pulling that off is just lucky call.

I would say because he lacks the knowledge on Gojos domain he would try to avoid getting hit by it. Tengen clearly mentioned Heian Era domains were too crafty. So Sukuna shouldn't take risky moves like getting hit by Gojos domain. Btw I do agree if he gets hit it would be over for him but I would say he will not. He would try everything to avoid it.

I already addressed most of your points there

I would need scans suggesting he could do that to the stronger inner shell with their domains being equal.

Gojo clearly mentioned Sukuna wasn't even trying to destroy the barriers despite he should be capable of like 3rd Domain clash

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Isn't Limitless negged until Gojo destroys & heals his right prefrontal cortex after Sukuna destroys his Domain(s)? I don't think he can handle a non-sandbagging prime Sukuna inside his Domain without his CT, and have the freedom to spend enough time using RCT on his exhausted CT.

Yeah limitless would be useless when Gojo suffers from CT Burnout and has to heal his brain
Sukuna should be capable of Smokin' Gojo pack with his other CTs or He can just nuke the place with Fire Arrow.

 

[Zabazab]

Yeah limitless would be useless when Gojo suffers from CT Burnout and has to heal his brain
Sukuna should be capable of Smokin' Gojo pack with his other CTs or He can just nuke the place with Fire Arrow.

Domain Clash, Sukuna breaks it fast af, then spams sure-hit Slashes, Kamutoke, & Fire Arrow, all while amped to 120% with chants?
I can't see Gojo tanking that, he was barely handling just the slashes with RCT + Antidomain techniques.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Domain Clash, Sukuna breaks it fast af, then spams sure-hit Slashes, Kamutoke, & Fire Arrow, all while amped to 120% with chants?
I can't see Gojo tanking that, he was barely handling just the slashes with RCT + Antidomain techniques.

Yeah I completely agree with you . People ignores 4 arms with no holding back is different case. LMAO Sukuna would defend himself properly instead of taking hits. Also many ignored the fact Red can be evaded or countered attacked with Dismantle and Blue doesn't do much damage when DA is used.

Gojo Glazing is just too much because of big fanbase can't be helped

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

all while amped to 120% with chants?

You understand that he takes time to chant, right?

Sukuna breaks it fast af,

If he isn’t beaten within an inch of his life before he can get to break it, considering he can use his techniques in the Domain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Cough cough

 

[Zabazab]

If he isn’t beaten within an inch of his life before he can get to break it, considering he can use his techniques in the Domain.

You know this fight happened in the manga right? Sukuna breaks Gojo's barrier, Malevolent Kitchen stays up, Gojo is left without any CT.

Only this time, he's facing a stronger Sukuna that isn't letting him live on purpose, with 120% power Techniques, who will be spamming sure-hit slashes, Kamutoke, and Fire Arrow.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Sukuna breaks Gojo's barrier, Malevolent Kitchen stays up, Gojo is left without any CT.

Cool, he recovers his CT with RCT.

he's facing a stronger Sukuna that isn't letting him live on purpose,

Uhh, no, Sukuna was definitely trying to kill Gojo.

120% power Techniques,

Didn’t kill him with Meguna, won’t be different here, considering even Kashimo could survive a chanted space-slash.

Kamutoke, and Fire Arrow.

Sukuna fights H2H once that happens. If he saw Fire Arrow as useable when Gojo canonically burnt out, he would’ve used it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Cool, he recovers his CT with RCT.

There is a short time interval for that that's enough to spam the nuke
Anyway currently fire arrow is low 7-B Gojos durability is High 7-C so he gets smoked.

Uhh, no, Sukuna was definitely trying to kill Gojo.

Yeah after adapting to Infinity and gaining a slash for himself and Playing with Gojo fully

Didn’t kill him with Meguna, won’t be different here, considering even Kashimo could survive a chanted space-slash.

Yeah Gojo is just sleeping here after dodging it.

Sukuna fights H2H once that happens. If he saw Fire Arrow as useable when Gojo canonically burnt out, he would’ve used it.

He canonically stated he would adapt to infinity multiple times nowhere stated he wanted to kill Gojo from get to go.

 

[Zabazab]

Uhh, no, Sukuna was definitely trying to kill Gojo

He wasn't, he was trying to get Mahoraga to gain an adaptation to Infinity he could copy because he knew it'd make him stronger. He was taking a risky investment by not going all-out in order to make Mahoraga gain an appropriate adaptation.

Didn’t kill him with Meguna, won’t be different here, considering even Kashimo could survive a chanted space-slash.

Megumi's body is weaker than Sukuna's true form.

Kashimo didn't survice a space slash, he avoided a space slash.

Sukuna fights H2H once that happens. If he saw Fire Arrow as useable when Gojo canonically burnt out, he would’ve used it.

Again, he only used DA & MK because he was holding back for Mahoraga purposes.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Sukuna doesn’t even use fire arrow in character. He just used it in special circumstances like ******* with another fire user and needing a completely new attack against someone who adapted to all his shit.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

won’t be different here, considering even Kashimo could survive a chanted space-slash.

The slash barely touched the mf

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sukuna doesn’t even use fire arrow in character. He just used it in special circumstances like ******* with another fire user and needing a completely new attack against someone who adapted to all his shit.

He never had a chance to use fire arrow. He is not an idiot to not use it when it's necessary

 

[Dr._whiteee]

He wasn't, he was trying to get Mahoraga to gain an adaptation to Infinity he could copy because he knew it'd make him stronger. He was taking a risky investment by not going all-out in order to make Mahoraga gain an appropriate adaptation.

Please stop with this narrative as it's a blatant misinterpretation.


Your own internal logic makes no sense. Why would Sukuna go to such lengths to beat Infinity....if he could have casually beat Infinity at any time? Nothing supports Sukuna "sandbagging because he knew it would make him stronger". Sukuna flat out admitted he needed a blueprint for beating Infinity and UV.

This is doubly incorrect as we know Sukuna was saving his OG form for after the fight and immediately discards 10S after Gojo. Sukuna didn't even know cutting existence was possible before Mahoraga found an adaption so saying Sukuna was planning on that is also incorrect.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The Fire Arrow is a different cursed technique. He cant use Ten Shadows alongside his (completly unknown) fire technique. We are talking about Prime Sukuna, who doesnt have Mahoraga and thus wouldn't care about getting a upgrade for his technique. Sukuna didnt used it against Gojo simple because he didnt want, but here theres no reason for him not to use if Gojo get stuck inside his Domain

Last comment here

 

[Zabazab]

Your own internal logic makes no sense. Why would Sukuna go to such lengths to beat Infinity....if he could have casually beat Infinity at any time? Nothing supports Sukuna "sandbagging because he knew it would make him stronger". Sukuna flat out admitted he needed a blueprint for beating Infinity and UV.

He wanted a blueprint for a slash that cuts Infinity, that was EXPLICITLY his goal. He knew he'd be stronger if he copied Mahoraga's adaptation to Infinity, it was the ENTIRE REASON Sukuna was picking suboptimal choices throughout the entire fight, he was stalling so he could get an adaptation he could copy.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Please stop with this narrative as it's a blatant misinterpretation.


Your own internal logic makes no sense. Why would Sukuna go to such lengths to beat Infinity....if he could have casually beat Infinity at any time?

Breaking the barriers of Gojos domain.

He doesn't need to bypass infinity he can just outlast Gojo DE scenarios

Nothing supports Sukuna "sandbagging because he knew it would make him stronger". Sukuna flat out admitted he needed a blueprint for beating Infinity and UV.

He clearly mentioned he was trying to get a slash. He was about to close the domain and was about to use Gojo as Lab rat

This is doubly incorrect as we know Sukuna was saving his OG form for after the fight and immediately discards 10S after Gojo. Sukuna didn't even know cutting existence was possible before Mahoraga found an adaption so saying Sukuna was planning on that is also incorrect.

Incorrect Sukuna known about Mahogara having abilities change CE property and capable of gaining a slash. So he waited what you are is wrong.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

He wanted a blueprint for a slash that cuts Infinity, that was EXPLICITLY his goal. He knew he'd be stronger if he copied Mahoraga's adaptation to Infinity, it was the ENTIRE REASON Sukuna was picking suboptimal choices throughout the entire fight, he was stalling so he could get an adaptation he could copy.

No, you are completely framing the situation in an extremely bias manner. Sukuna was not looking for a cool new addition to his kit, he was actively looking for a way to counter infinity because he had high chances to lose without it, and knew from the jump, that he needed to get around infinity and UV.

You are framing it as if Sukuna could have beat Gojo at any point, and was simply choosing the riskier options to get a new buff. The buff Sukuna got was incidental, Sukuna's goal with 10S was to beat Gojo, nothing else. The narrative you are spinning is completely made up and once again, goes directly against all of the fight narrative.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Breaking the barriers of Gojos domain.

He doesn't need to bypass infinity he can just outlast Gojo DE scenarios

He clearly mentioned he was trying to get a slash. He was about to close the domain and was about to use Gojo as Lab rat

Incorrect Sukuna known about Mahogara having abilities change CE property and capable of gaining a slash. So he waited what you are is wrong.

Elde, let me go ahead and save you some breath. I will not be responding to you.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

White ignoring my replies which backed up by scans is crazy. Well whatever

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Elde, let me go ahead and save you some breath. I will not be responding to you.

Sure if you had told me earlier I would have stopped replying instead of trying to have a friendly debate.
I guess Milly is also same case thanks I won't be bothering you two. Good to know.

 

[LordGinSama]

Utahime beats both of them and is hot.

That's all.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Utahime beats both of them and is hot.

That's all.

Shoko bodies

 

[Zabazab]

You are framing it as if Sukuna could have beat Gojo at any point, and was simply choosing the riskier options to get a new buff.

This is almost true, yes.

After the Domain Stage, Sukuna certainly had close calls & could have lost, but if he wanted to just win then he would have destroyed Gojo when they were having Domain battles.

He did indeed choose a riskier method as a future investment in his CT.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

This is almost true, yes.

After the Domain Stage, Sukuna certainly had close calls & could have lost, but if he wanted to just win then he would have destroyed Gojo when they were having Domain battles.

It isn't. Nothing in the fight supports this, Sukuna's own appraisal and internal feelings don't support this, and neither does the fight progression.

This isn't a Jogo situation, Sukuna was in danger throughout the fight and in his particular incarnation, needed Mahoraga to win (based on what we know thus far).

He did indeed choose a riskier method as a future investment in his CT.

No he didn't. this is not supported anywhere and once again, Sukuna didn't know Mahoraga could cut existence, nor that he'd be able to copy Mahoraga beating Gojo. the first time Mahoraga beat infinity was not only something Sukuna couldn't copy, but also something that didn't do anything to Gojo. Sukuna was waiting for something to bypass infinity so he could beat Gojo, and it literally took him looking like squidward after the sea-bear attack to get the move necessary to beat Gojo. Mahoraga finding a way tobeat infinity that was also applicable to his own cleave was an unexpected benefit, not the plan.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Updated Tally

Master chef: 8 (@Jo-Smooth, @Zabazab, @EldemadeDityjon, @LIFE_OF_KING, @Quantu, @Rez, @azontr, @PsychoWarper )

Kit Kat: 8 (@LaserPrecision, @Duedate8898, @Milly_Rocking_Bandit, @AxisPowerRanger, @Nierre , @Avengershows, @speedster352, @Arnoldstone18 )

Incon: @Dr._whiteee

Too many FRA train for KitKat without actual arguments. Whatever

 

[Zabazab]

It isn't. Nothing in the fight supports this, Sukuna's own appraisal and internal feelings don't support this, and neither does the fight progression.

Gojo outright questions why Sukuna isn't fighting optimally. He can break Gojo's barrier from the weakened inside, but chose to attack the strengthened outside.

This isn't a Jogo situation, Sukuna was in danger throughout the fight and in his particular incarnation, needed Mahoraga to win (based on what we know thus far).

Gojo would disagree that Mahoraga was needed.

No he didn't. this is not supported anywhere and once again, Sukuna didn't know Mahoraga could cut existence, nor that he'd be able to copy Mahoraga beating Gojo. the first time Mahoraga beat infinity was not only something Sukuna couldn't copy, but also something that didn't do anything to Gojo. Sukuna was waiting for something to bypass infinity so he could beat Gojo, and it literally took him looking like squidward after the sea-bear attack to get the move necessary to beat Gojo.

Sukuna said he wanted a model from Mahoraga, wdym he didn't know?

 

[Nierre]

incon match

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

incon match

Ok Changing your vote to incon then?

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Gojo outright questions why Sukuna isn't fighting optimally. He can break Gojo's barrier from the weakened inside, but chose to attack the strengthened outside.

Correct, because he was trying to figure out his strategy and wasn't sure why he was taking the route he was, as Gojo didn't realize Sukuna's plan with Mahorgaga/Megumi. This doesn't prove your assertion.

Gojo would disagree that Mahoraga was needed.

Mahoraga was needed for certain victory. I never said Sukuna had 0% without it. I also wouldn't posit gojo's assessment (with incomplete knowledge) > established facts that we know as the audience.

Sukuna said he wanted a model from Mahoraga, wdym he didn't know?

Yes, he knew that Mahoraga could adapt to Gojo. He didn't know that it would be something that he could steal. This is outlined by Sukuna flat out admitting that the existence cutter was something he didn't even concptualize prior. Thus, he was just waiting for Mahoraga to show him something that could put Gojo down, as once again, the changing of Maho's essence to bypass infinity was something that neither Sukuna could do or something that actually did anything to Gojo.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

He never had a chance to use fire arrow. He is not an idiot to not use it when it's necessary

It’s not about being an idiot. He just will not want to use it if it’s not his default. It’s not even a special move it’s just fire, not to mention there are many times he could’ve used it but just chose not to.

And chill with the passive aggressive comments, it’s clear that half of the fras are those who want this to reach Incon. The other half genuinely thinks Gojo can win both halves of the votes are equally valid.