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[YoshaFam]

YOSHA! Cell in the Cell Saga was scaled to solar system level due to him saying he could destroy the solar system. But in Dragon Ball Canon, the solar system is actually multi-solar system level to galaxy level in scale. SSJ2 Teen Gohan, Super Perfect Cell Other Pages that should be revised: edit: Goku (buu saga), Vegeta (buu saga), Gohan (buu saga), Vegito, Majin Buu, Dabura. (Because they use Cell for scaling.)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I am not sure this would play out when it comes to scaling. It states the nebulae, which refer to the solar systems based on the next statement pertaining to the galaixes, contain innumerable stars, which could imply infinite space, which is High 3-A. I honestly cannot pinpoint how large a solar system with innumerable stars would be. I think because of the ambiguity, it'll just settle on "Solar System level, likely higher" or simply Solar System level.

 

[AwkguyDB]

What exacly is our definition of a Solar System on this site. What qualifes for a Solar System -> Multi Solar System level jump?

 

[BigSmoke4269]

What the **** even are Goku's tiers on his last two keys

 

[Omegas03]

Cell saga Goku wouldn't scale unless you make all Cell Games characters backscale.

The thing is that Gohan would go from High 4-C+ to 4-A or more with a transformation, lol.

Anyways I am neutral as for now. Are there more statements regarding the Solar System size in DB? If this goes through I think Toei characters would also be affected.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I am not sure this would play out when it comes to scaling. It states the nebulae, which refer to the solar systems based on the next statement pertaining to the galaixes, contain innumerable stars, which could imply infinite space, which is High 3-A. I honestly cannot pinpoint how large a solar system with innumerable stars would be. I think because of the ambiguity, it'll just settle on "Solar System level, likely higher" or simply Solar System level.

I think the main takeaway is the fact that the solar system in the Dragon Ball world is a nebula. As to the word "innumerable," sometimes the word is used in the context of meaning that there is a lot of something. It doesn't necesarily mean that there is infinite space, though it has that implication, like you said earlier.

Second, I don't think Cell Saga Goku should be upgraded. He admitted he was outclassed by Perfect Cell, who was weaker than Super Perfect Cell. However, every Buu saga character that scales higher than Super Perfect Cell (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Vegito, Majin Buu, Dabura, etc.) should receive the upgrade.

Other than that, I'm for it.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I am not sure this would play out when it comes to scaling. It states the nebulae, which refer to the solar systems based on the next statement pertaining to the galaixes, contain innumerable stars, which could imply infinite space, which is High 3-A. I honestly cannot pinpoint how large a solar system with innumerable stars would be. I think because of the ambiguity, it'll just settle on "Solar System level, likely higher" or simply Solar System level.

Innumerable stars is a hyperbolic statement, it just means that there's a large amount of Stars in that Solar System.

Anyway, I agree with this, I remember it was brought up once,but it was ignored

 

[AwkguyDB]

There's also this
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Galaxy
A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty.

 

[Kepekley23]

That, if anything, disproves this entire upgrade, since it demonstrates that the writers were not afraid of using the term "nebula" to refer to a simple collection of planets orbiting a star, which our solar system is.

Seeing as the word often translated as either "star" or "planet" generally means "celestial body" in Japanese, the authors were probably trying to define a nebula as a collection of celestial bodies, and looking at it from that perspective, our own Solar System would fit right in.

Aside from that, there's nothing suggesting a greater size for Dragon Ball's Solar System.

 

[YoshaFam]

I added the extra pages that should be revised.

 

[AwkguyDB]

So again this is about how the wiki defines a single Solar System. Do we judge it based on our own? DB's Solar Systems are massively above our own to the point where the number is uncountable or immeasurable.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

That, if anything, disproves this entire upgrade, since it demonstrates that the writers were not afraid of using the term "nebula" to refer to a simple collection of planets orbiting a star, which our solar system is.
Seeing as the word often translated as either "star" or "planet" generally means "celestial body" in Japanese, the authors were probably trying to define a nebula as a collection of celestial bodies, and looking at it from that perspective, our own Solar System would fit right in.

Aside from that, there's nothing suggesting a greater size for Dragon Ball's Solar System.

That one doesn't debunk anything really, it doesn't bring up the Solar System that Earth is in, unlike the innumerable Star one, and it wouldn't make sense for it to be talking about Nebulas that have innumerable stars, then for some Reason talk about one that contradicts their description, and the Earth's solar System is Galactic

 

[AwkguyDB]

That, if anything, disproves this entire upgrade, since it demonstrates that the writers were not afraid of using the term "nebula" to refer to a simple collection of planets orbiting a star, which our solar system is.
Seeing as the word often translated as either "star" or "planet" generally means "celestial body" in Japanese, the authors were probably trying to define a nebula as a collection of celestial bodies, and looking at it from that perspective, our own Solar System would fit right in.

Aside from that, there's nothing suggesting a greater size for Dragon Ball's Solar System.

That doesn't give an indication on the size of the Nebula and as stated in the OP a single Nebula consist of numerous stars, planets or celestial bodies.

 

[Alonik]

I think this may be a transcription error of furiganas. Sounds too weirdo.

What exact daizenshuu is this quote?

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I agree with Kepekley.

 

[AwkguyDB]

I think this may be a transcription error of furiganas. Sounds too weirdo.

I don't think so, they went out of the way to describe that there is a large amount of celestial bodies that make up one of these systems and stated that DB's Solar System is one of these systems.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Also the Galaxy description would make the DBZ Universe High 3-A

 

[AwkguyDB]

I think this may be a transcription error of furiganas. Sounds too weirdo.
What exact daizenshuu is this quote?

7

 

[AwkguyDB]

http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-index.php

 

[Alonik]

Thanks, i will take a look, later i will be back.

 

[Kepekley23]

> That doesn't give an indication on the size of the Nebula.

Which is the point.

The word translated as "star" means "celestial body". The translator decided to render it as "star" because the quote was talking about nebulae, so it was a fair choice.

The quote is simply saying the Solar System is composed of celestial bodies, which it indeed is, without much attention given to exact terminology.

Outside of this purposedfully-vaguely worded quote, there is no evidence that Dragon Ball's solar system is any bigger than its real-life counterpart. Toriyama stated that things were roughly equal to real life in the Living World's section of the cosmos, and there is nothing suggesting otherwise in-universe.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Does the Original Scan say "hoshi"? Or "Sut─ü"?

It also stated that it contains an innumerable amount of Celestial bodies or Stars, which are both bigger than our normal Solar System, and it's also stated to be Galactic

Toriyama only stated that the DBZ Universe is based on the Real World counter part, not that the're exactly the same, it just means DB has Planets,Stars, Galaxies...

 

[AwkguyDB]

> That doesn't give an indication on the size of the Nebula.
Which is the point.

The word translated as "star" means "celestial body". The translator decided to render it as "star" because the quote was talking about nebulae, so it was a fair choice.

The quote is simply saying the Solar System is composed of celestial bodies, which it indeed is, without much attention given to exact terminology.

Outside of this purposedfully-vaguely worded quote, there is no evidence that Dragon Ball's solar system is any bigger than its real-life counterpart. Toriyama stated that things were roughly equal to real life in the Living World's section of the cosmos, and there is nothing suggesting otherwise in-universe.

You are 100% not wrong. The quote is simply saying that the Solar System is composed of Celestial Bodies. But again friend that is ignoring the description given in the OP and downplaying the clear innumerable amount given in the description.

Whether the guide is referring to planets, stars or just the general term of celestial bodies does not take away from the fact that the Solar System is comprised of innumerable amounts of them making it nothing like our own since we have 8 countable planets and 1 countable star with over a dozen satellites.

Within the universe, there are "nebulae" composed of innumerable stars, and there are "galaxies" composed of innumerable nebulae. .............. Earth resides in the Solar System, a galactic nebula on the outskirts of the North Galaxy.

 

[Antvasima]

Kepekley makes sense to me. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Alonik]

I mean, innumerable can just be an expression, so the autor doesn't have to write exact number of planets and stars in the solar system.

 

[Omegas03]

Welp, I've heard the Manga had a MSS statement/feat for Kid Buu but I am not sure.

 

[Kepekley23]

Except there is no evidence that the quote is meaning to say the Solar System itself is comprised of innumerable stars. It simply calls the Solar System a nebula, right after defining the term as a collection of celestial bodies, with other quotes implying the term is being used broadly, and could potentially refer to a mere collection of planets, which our solar system is.

There is no external evidence which would imply the solar system is bigger other than this extremely vague quote.

> Welp, I've heard the Manga had a MSS statement/feat for Kid Buu but I am not sure.

Boo has no MSS feats or statements in the manga. As per Herms, his most explicit statement is Kaioshin stating that he destroyed hundreds of planets during his rampage.

 

[AwkguyDB]

I mean, innumerable can just be an expression, so the autor doesn't have to write exact number of planets and stars in the solar system.

Thats fair but Innumerable is a far greater number than say 8. If the intent for Toryiama to make everything Scientifically accurate he wouldn't of used the term "Nebula" which isn't a Star System at all.

a cloud of gas and dust in outer space, visible in the night sky either as an indistinct bright patch or as a dark silhouette against other luminous matter.

 

[Antvasima]

Kep is correct as far as I am aware. We should probably close this thread.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Again, are you sure it meant Celestial bodies and not actual Stars?

And why would they call the solar System a Nebula if it wasn't what they described in the same quote, and they didn't just call it a Nebula, they called it a Galactic nebula,a.k.a it's bigger than the average nebula that already has an innumerable amount of Stars.

It isn't even vague, they literally stated,This has innumerable stars, the solar system is a big one of them, I don't see how that's vague

 

[Promestein]

Haha what, no, how stupid can a thread get

 

[Omegas03]

> Welp, I've heard the Manga had a MSS statement/feat for Kid Buu but I am not sure.

Boo has no MSS feats or statements in the manga. As per Herms, his most explicit statement is Kaioshin stating that he destroyed hundreds of planets during his rampage.

Thanks for the info, I guess this should be closed then. Unless OP has more evidenceƒæÇ

 

[AwkguyDB]

Also the Galaxy description would make the DBZ Universe High 3-A

ƒæÇ also this

 

[Omegas03]

I am sure those Daizenshuu descriptions were rejected many times.

 

[AwkguyDB]

If we want to use the Galaxy statement to disprove Innumerable stars it also supports infinite Galaxies........

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Buu does have a statement of being stronger than young Beerus, who could destroy the Kaioshin realm

 

[Kepekley23]

Elder Kaioshin considering Beerus to be lesser than Boo in power when he is well aware of what Beerus became is completely contradictory, and an obvious retcon.

This thread seems as if it's attempting to turn into a game of who can inflate Dragon Ball the hardest.