"Character A couldn't break a brick wall, so they should remain 7-C instead of becoming 5-C"
Why is the optimal solution to upgrade them to even more insane heights than to consider downgrading them, or just keeping them the same as they are?
I mean, I ain't really arguing against downgradin em, just about using anti-feats that already contradict their ratings
I mean if Pilaf Saga Goku is more than 1/20th of 22nd Budokai Goku then anything that's an antifeat for Pilaf Saga is technically an antifeat to the current rating.
That's not what they are arguing? They are saying that if 22nd Budokai Goku is gonna stay at 5-C, then Pilaf Goku should downscale. You are arguing against 22nd Budokai Goku even being 5-C in the first place.
Or...I mean if Pilaf Saga Goku is more than 1/20th of 22nd Budokai Goku then anything that's an antifeat for Pilaf Saga is technically an antifeat to the current rating.
You just did it yourself by providing reasoning Goku can't be 6-A
Based on?
Oh I'm sorry I forgot about the part where piercing damage is suddenly not a thing anymore.
That's an outlier FOR THE EARLIER KEY. For Christ's sake, think about it, this DOESN'T break scaling for 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi Goku, it only breaks scaling for Pilaf Saga Goku. Furthermore we're raining with several Moon level feats in Early Dragon Ball, so consistency is there. Why do you assume we have to take this backscaling as an "end-all be-all"? Simply the author not knowing basic math.You just did it yourself by providing reasoning Goku can't be 6-A
"He's almost 20x stronger"
The statement isn't even about 22nd Budokai Goku, its just him after his Korin Training. After words he trains in preperation for the 22nd Budokai for 3 yearsI mean if Pilaf Saga Goku is more than 1/20th of 22nd Budokai Goku then anything that's an antifeat for Pilaf Saga is technically an antifeat to the current rating.
It's talking about 22nd Budokai Goku, that's why the title has 22nd and he has a PL of 180, ye can see it here
So absolutely nothing.
I mean, if you look at it from a certain angle, the difference between High 7-C/High 6-A and 5-C/5-A (Close to High 5-A) ain't that much
Character A destroys mountain.
You'd have to do both to go with your option. There are antifeats everywhere in the series.
Is your math off?
Do I have to explain to you that this is a false equivalent to the point presented in this scenario?
Do you actually have a problem processing the fact that a Tier 9/8 Anti-Feat towards a Tier 8 character is far less damning than it would be if the Character was FLIPPING Tier 6?
That calculation needs to be accepted first
Your argument up to this point was never related to "Feats vs Statements." It was arguing that the outlier applies to one but not the other. Don't play these stupid ass games because you're upset and pretend I argued against that.
In what universe are Tier 9 antifeats not relevant to tier 8 characters? It being less relevant to tier 6 in your eyes doesn't take away from the fact that it's Tier 9. Doesn't matter if you are Universe Level, Town Level, or Planet Level, there is a problem if a gun is hurting you.
Yeah let it rest in the abyss it is till Daima resurrects it.
Personally I'm against it. We don't need to backscale characters as far back as possible.
Stop projecting, it makes you look even worse.
It argued that downscaling from a higher value that's completely outside of reality for that earlier version is an outlier only for the earlier version.
"In what universe?"
It's not in my eyes, stop trying to make this into a personal take.
Ahem.
Adem again with the examples that add nothing to the conversation. Also, please prove that the door of a guy who can create Androids with Star level durability is made out of regular metal, and not, you know, the same material the Androids are made out of?
Master Roshi was able to catch machine gun bullets with his fingers like they were nothing. Some would also argue that Goku should be 5-C in Ozaru form at least 21st budokai era since Master Roshi didn't consider himself able to stop him without blowing up the moon. He killed Grandpa Gohan who gave post Korin training Goku a lot of trouble at the time even prior to the beginning of Dragon Ball.
They're currently accepted, so that's another thread. This one is too damn long and honestly we should start all over with all the information compilled her.e
What part is currently accepted?
Oozaru is currently a 10x multiplier and that should be handled in it's own thread.
5-B metal, but yeah, neat stuff
I thought it was the opposite? Max Power Roshi could have killed Oozaru Goku with the kamehameha (Yamcha sure thought so, although I don't know if he had Ki sensing at this time) but decided to blow up the moon, so he doesn't, ya know, kill Goku. Although, if that's the case,
Shen was also seconds away from killing Chiaotzu, so him being anything below 5-C doensn't really work
Yamcha comparing Max Power to Ozaru was mainly hypothetical, no one really knows. The PL of only 100 is a little on the subjective side + contradicts the fact that he still killed Grandpa Gohan who was on similar grounds to Korin training Goku.5-B metal, but yeah, neat stuff
I thought it was the opposite? Max Power Roshi could have killed Oozaru Goku with the kamehameha (Yamcha sure thought so, although I don't know if he had Ki sensing at this time) but decided to blow up the moon, so he doesn't, ya know, kill Goku. Although, if that's the case,we kinda have to downscale 21st Budokai Goku to High 6-A via Oozaru downscaling and yada yada,
BoZ Oozaru Goku only had a PL of 100, so he'd be weaker than everyone (We have a PL on) from the 22nd Budokai, so don't think we can give 5-C from that,
Master Shen is pretty blatantly above Yamcha's level, since it's only when Roshi buffed up did Tien say that Roshi was even stronger than Shen
Shen was also seconds away from killing Chiaotzu, so him being anything below 5-C doensn't really work
(Btw I tried looking for anything that compared Tao to Shen but I found nothing)
It's also higher than 100, by a lot;
