Any feat that applies to 22nd Budokai applies to Pilaf Saga (just 1/20th of), that's what downscaling is. Once again, you are restating this and it means nothing.
So are you arguing that scaling if contradicted by antifeats shouldn't be applied? We got a lot of overhauling to do in that case.
The moon level feat
Except for being 1/20th of "consistently moon level."
Are you omniscient? How do you know so much about not just Toriyama but writers in general don't know about? Fighters fluctuate in power all of the time (remember full power island level Piccolo?) There is no way to make a range and say
Mhm yeah totally.
I appreciate this wonderful segment which has nothing to do with the point at hand. If I changed it to a blunt staff would that be more of your fancy?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the statement saying that Pilaf Saga Goku is nearly 1/20 of Post-Korin Training Goku, which isn’t the same as 22nd Budokai Goku since he had three years of training in between?
That's not what downscaling is, are you freaking kidding me? LMFAO.
Cool strawman.
Did you forget the Moon feat, and several moon feats through DB, only matters to 22nd Budokai characters and beyond?The moon level feat
That consistency is not inherited by the earlier key, lmfao.
No, but it's stupid to assume someone has a powerscaler type of knowledge. Literally every Tier 8 feat from DB is visually same-ey with Tier 9 feats.
If it isn't the power pole, sure.
This is clearly about Goku after his training with Korin, or at the end of the Commander Red Arc. Nothing about the actual description points to it being 22nd Budokai Goku, considering that he didn’t train with Roshi or Korin during the three years.
The heading is for the power level value alone, yes.
I think it's pretty obvious what they intented? All the other headings list the Gokus in question and their PL, before describing what made them so much stronger?
If it's about Battle Power, we shouldn't consider it linear in the first place, so please don't use that as evidence if you don't intend to interpret it that way.
If that's indeed the case and it's solely referring to his Power Level, then this is even more shaky since we don't consider PLs as linear increases AP wise.
Wonder if they could have just removed the door from the mountain
Yeah, the description that says “After training with the Turtle Hermit and Karin” pretty obviously refers to Goku after he trained with Korin, which he didn’t do for the 22nd Budokai.
Actually, no, they don’t. The heading for Goku’s King Piccolo Arc PL doesn’t have a description and neither does his heading with his 32,000 PL. Also, Goku’s Saiyan Saga heading is above the description for 23rd Budokai Goku, which is, funnily enough, the same situation that we have here.
Power Levels were definitely intented to be linear, the Dragon Ball Forever statements are just usuable because they don't use the word "Power Level"
Not adding a description isn't the same as titling something "Namek Saga Goku's growth" and then making a description about Saiyan Saga Goku?
This is for 23rd Budokai Goku, not Saiyan Saga Goku
This argument defeats the point of scaling in the first place, applying feats to characters who haven't performed said feat.
So your answer is yes?
Once again, this wasn't your argument prior. It's a completely different argument that sidetracks what we've been talking about. If this was your argument then you should have brung this up, not pretend like the argument I made in response to other specific arguments were wrong.
But it's smarter to assume that the writer has no clue what they are talking about? And again with the purely subjective arguments. I'd have no problem with these but you are arguing as if your argument is completely objective. Keep it that way.
Aren't you making the argument that the tier 9 bullets aren't antifeats?
Not entertaining this circular ahh debate anymore, cease.
Yeah, it is. It says Goku has a PL of 416, which is exactly what he had against Raditz. So like I said, the description may be for the 23rd Budokai, but the heading is about the Saiyan Saga, which is the same situation we have with Post-Korin Training Goku’s description being under the 22nd Budokai heading.
Yet it's indexed under Raditz Saga Goku, point proven.
They have the same Power Level? I'm pretty sure 23rd Budokai Goku = BoZ Goku
Nope, that got debunked earlier in this thread, since Goku directly says that he’s been training hard in the Raditz Arc, so he’d be stronger than in the 23rd Budokai.
Ah, I forgot about the part where Goku stagnated in power- Oh, whoops that slipped out of my hand.
That’s pretty much just arguing from incredulity. We have no actual reason to believe that either of those trainings would be greater than the three years of training he did in between the Baba Arc and the 22nd Budokai. Hell, we don’t really have a reason to compare them in the first place.
Those door are probably star level
They were never meant to be linear if a normal human is 5 and a freaking moon buster is ~180
Powerlevels would have unironically benefitted from higher numbers and bigger gaps.I think they were, but whoever decided the db power levels forgot that
The votes are kind of outdated as it was before the blog was updated again
Don't bump this, come to the updated one, fella!
