SSJ2 Gohan should NOT be 2x stronger than Super Perfect Cell

[Omegabronic]

Even cells can't survive energy capable enough to destroy solar system. Not within point blank range for sure.

He wasn't going to be at point blank range, he was a good tens if not hundreds of meters away from it iirc, so it would be far weaker when it reached him, all that he would need is to have a couple of cells survive for him to be ok, if even when he blew himself up from the inside, directly touching the cells he was still good to regenerate, then i don't think that it is anywhere impossible for his cells to survive the explosion

point is, him surviving the aftermath is not a good indicator of him scaling to it when he has a pretty busted regen to take care of that either way

 

[Ednaxel2]

I think another CRT for the solar kamehameha and how that can be translated to the multiplier chain scaling should be made, including axing SSJ2 Gohan being 2x SPC

 

[Ednaxel2]

Trying to do that in this thread would be impossible and derailing

 

[Reiner04]

he was a good tens if not hundreds of meters away from it iirc,

Still more than quadrillion times enough energy to nuke him down to atoms. and about him probably being able to survive it- I don't think he gonna leave his life to fate/luck than to himself.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Simple solution:

Perfect Cell

Attack Potency: Star level (At full power, Cell is far stronger than any of the Z-Fighters, including SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan, and is capable of casually toying with both. He is outclassed only by SSJ2 Gohan. Equal to Dabura who is comparable to SSJ Buu Saga Gohan)

Super Perfect Cell

Attack Potency: At least Star level (After his Zenkai, he grew in power to reach SSJ2 Gohan's level and broke his arm with a single ki blast.), Solar System level with Kamehameha (He said that he was going to destroy the solar system from Earth, a statement that has been confirmed by many guidebooks)

Son Goku (Cell Saga)

Attack Potency: At least Dwarf Star level, Star level as a Super Saiyan (He was the second strongest fighter at the time[38] even at only 50% of his power[38], fought against Perfect Cell and nearly killed him with his Instant Kamehameha, though Cell wasn't fighting at full power)

Son Gohan (Cell Saga)

Attack Potency: Star level as a Super Saiyan (Superior to Goku as a Super Saiyan in his suppressed calm state), higher as a Super Saiyan 2 (He casually stomped Perfect Cell, easily overpowering his most powerful Kamehameha from a standing position and at the last second), Solar System level with Kamehameha (Overpowered Super Perfect Cell's Kamehameha and killed him)

Dabura

Attack Potency: Star level (Equal to Perfect Cell. Fought comparably against SSJ Gohan), Stone Spit ignores durability

Hard disagree with this

Also yeah, Goku should not be so far below Cell like he is now, given the nature of their fight

 

[Damage3245]

Let's avoid discussing the specific scaling for now.

Right now we're just tackling the multiplier in the OP.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Hard disagree with this

Also yeah, Goku should not be so far below Cell like he is now, given the nature of their fight

Yeah, same here.

 

[Damage3245]

The thread for Cell's Kamehameha was already accepted. We can discuss what that would look like for scaling after this thread is finished and closed.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Anyway, that's two staff agree on a not-so-controversial and overall not-major scaling issue. Can I assume this is accepted?

 

[Ednaxel2]

This'll just make all High 4-C+ characters downgrade to regular High 4-C, this shouldn't be hard to change, the only profile that needs to be unlocked is Z Goku

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Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...

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Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z)

Vegeta (ベジータ, Bejita?) is the disgraced prince of the Saiyan race, one of the few survivors of his species after Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta. Left with no choice but to follow his orders, Vegeta travelled across the galaxy and eradicated planets for sale before he was brought to Earth by...

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Vegeta (DBS Anime)

Vegeta (ベジータ, Bejīta?) is the disgraced prince of the Saiyan race, one of the few survivors of his species after Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta. Left with no choice but to follow his orders, Vegeta traveled across the galaxy and eradicated planets for sale before he was brought to Earth by...

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Son Gohan (Dragon Ball Z)

Son Gohan is the eldest son of Son Goku and Chi-Chi, and one of the primary heroes of the second half of Dragon Ball. Unlike his father, Gohan was a timid and studious child who lacked the Saiyan fighting spirit despite possessing enormous strength inside him. Nonetheless, Gohan spends much of...

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Tien Shinhan

Tien Shinhan is the prized top student of the Crane School, taught by Master Shen and his younger brother, Tao Pai Pai. Originally an adversary of Goku and the rest of the Turtle School, with his and Goku's dramatic fight during the 22nd Budokai, Tien grows to become a better person and an ally...

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Master Roshi

Master Roshi (武天老師 Muten Rōshi), also known as the Turtle Hermit (亀仙人 Kame Sen'nin), is a major supporting protagonist in the Dragon Ball manga and Dragon Ball anime, who also makes a few appearances in Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super, and Dragon Ball GT. Tier: 8-C, higher with Kamehameha, far...

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Ganos

Ganos is a spy and fighter from Universe 4 who fought in the Tournament of Power. Tier: At least High 4-C, higher in Avian Form Name: Ganos Origin: Dragon Ball Age: Unknown Gender: Male Classification: Alien, Team Universe 4 member Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics...

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[Ednaxel2]

But I'll wait until a staff member can confirm the changes can be applied

 

[CloverDragon03]

The thread for Cell's Kamehameha was already accepted. We can discuss what that would look like for scaling after this thread is finished and closed.

I mean we’ve got disagreement here so clearly not

 

[Ednaxel2]

I mean we’ve got disagreement here so clearly not

That can be discussed in the same thread, kill two birds with one stone

 

[Damage3245]

I mean we’ve got disagreement here so clearly not

Obviously not all users have to agree with a thread for it to have been accepted.

 

[Omegabronic]

Still more than quadrillion times enough energy to nuke him down to atoms. and about him probably being able to survive it- I don't think he gonna leave his life to fate/luck than to himself.

dunno about Quadrilions, he would be High 4-C still with the current scaling anyway + the explosion getting severely weaker when it hits him due to the square law or whatever it is called the law that dictates that a explosion gets much weaker the more away from the epicenter it is so, the difference would def not be in the quadrilions

 

[Reiner04]

the explosion getting severely weaker when it hits him due to the square

Your mom.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Obviously not all users have to agree with a thread for it to have been accepted.

Cool, but I don’t think the approval was sufficient, to my knowledge

 

[CloverDragon03]

Never mind, it was. I didn’t realize just how much there was.

Whatever then. This verse is being ruined before my very eyes

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It's months old, someone can change it with a CRT if they wanna

 

[CloverDragon03]

Don’t exactly have the motivation to considering the same few can just band together and prevent any such CRT from going through. Would rather save myself the mental trouble.

Anyways, I do overall agree with the OP, since everything seems to imply Gohan was down to half power at first and then later drew out all his power. Though, for the saving Vegeta part, you probably could argue that Gohan was focused on saving Vegeta, not necessarily on defending himself.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

What’s left to do here?

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Nothing. It's accepted.

That can be discussed in the same thread, kill two birds with one stone

Update the blog.
Once you're done, tell us so we can close this.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Update the blog.
Once you're done, tell us so we can close this.

Oh I had no idea this was finished mb, again I just need Z Goku's profile unlocked

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Oh I had no idea this was finished mb, again I just need Z Goku's profile unlocked

It's fine. Once the blog is updated, we can use the all-purpose thread to have it unlocked

 

[Ednaxel2]

It's fine. Once the blog is updated, we can use the all-purpose thread to have it unlocked

Blog done, lets hope there isn't any typos, Vegito's profile also needs to be unlocked since now he's superior to SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan in base, yet the profile still says he's only above base Gotenks

 

[Ednaxel2]

I'll update the current unlocked profiles and request the other two after

 

[Damage3245]

I'll make a follow-up thread to address the Cell scaling later this week so this one can be closed once the profiles are updated.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I'll make a follow-up thread to address the Cell scaling later this week so this one can be closed once the profiles are updated.

I think you should also axe Base/SSJ Gohan downscaling from his SSJ2 self, as well as Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan being superior to Buu Saga SSJ Goku (I know I've said that 10x, but again the scans used don't suggest that) he can just be superior to Shin in base or scale to Dabura, either is fine

So it should be for Cell Games Gohan: "Dwarf Star level, Star level as a Super Saiyan, whatever tier as a rage boosted Super Saiyan 2, Solar System level with Kamehameha" this'll make scaling for cell games Goku, Buu Saga Gohan, Cell and Dabura muuuuch easier to wrap our heads around.

 

[Damage3245]

@Ednaxel2 Please remember that when you're editing profiles you're supposed to link to the CRT in the edit description.

 

[Ednaxel2]

@Ednaxel2 Please remember that when you're editing profiles you're supposed to link to the CRT in the edit description.

Oh mb

 

[Dalesean027]

Hard disagree with this

Also yeah, Goku should not be so far below Cell like he is now, given the nature of their fight

Also of the same mind when it comes to this

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

I'll update the current unlocked profiles and request the other two after

Tell me when you're done, I'd very much like to address the scaling issues of the Kamehameha stuff later, but it seems like @Damage3245 will tackle the subject before me.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm just waiting for this to be done before I get started on that.

I know some people really aren't liking the sound of it but the only reason why the characters would have been "4-B, higher with Kamehameha" earlier instead of "4-C, 4-B with Kamehameha" was because the calcs and multipliers supported the former. Now that the values have changed, they support the latter...

 

[Ednaxel2]

Tell me when you're done, I'd very much like to address the scaling issues of the Kamehameha stuff later, but it seems like @Damage3245 will tackle the subject before me.

Yea I'm just waiting now for Z Goku and Vegito to be unlocked

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

I'm just waiting for this to be done before I get started on that.

I know some people really aren't liking the sound of it but the only reason why the characters would have been "4-B, higher with Kamehameha" earlier instead of "4-C, 4-B with Kamehameha" was because the calcs and multipliers supported the former. Now that the values have changed, they support the latter...

Oh, we'll get there when we get there. I do have a tiny bit of insight to change that little format, but essentially I'd like to give most characters a "higher with X technique" rating

 

[Ednaxel2]

Oh, we'll get there when we get there. I do have a tiny bit of insight to change that little format, but essentially I'd like to give most characters a "higher with X technique" rating

It would look a lot better yeah

 

[Nierre]

Yea I'm just waiting now for Z Goku and Vegito to be unlocked

I'm just waiting for this to be done before I get started on that.

I know some people really aren't liking the sound of it but the only reason why the characters would have been "4-B, higher with Kamehameha" earlier instead of "4-C, 4-B with Kamehameha" was because the calcs and multipliers supported the former. Now that the values have changed, they support the latter...

Can't you unlock these pages?

 

[Damage3245]

Yea I'm just waiting now for Z Goku and Vegito to be unlocked

I've unlocked them both. Let me know when they're done so I can re-lock them.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'm just waiting for this to be done before I get started on that.

I know some people really aren't liking the sound of it but the only reason why the characters would have been "4-B, higher with Kamehameha" earlier instead of "4-C, 4-B with Kamehameha" was because the calcs and multipliers supported the former. Now that the values have changed, they support the latter...

This might sound crazy, but it’s almost like the people voicing their disagreement never supported that change to begin with…

 

[Ednaxel2]

I've unlocked them both. Let me know when they're done so I can re-lock them.

Done