Bleach Questions: Reiatsu Crush, and the Relevance of AP, Durability, and Verse Equalization

[A_Stoned_Orc]

In a recent thread, it was suggested by multiple proponents of the Bleach 'verse that reiatsu crush could ignore an AP/Durability advantage, even one as severe as the gap between 5-C and 5-B (the particulars involved End of Series Aizen versus Boruto-era Sasuke Uchiha). The same proponents of this arguement suggested that not even Verse Equalization would prevent Reiatsu Crush from happening. Is this true, by the standards of this wiki, or is there more to it?

 

[KazuiK]

No, Reiatsu's crush works only for weaker characters, for example 5-C >>> anything below that.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

No, Reiatsu's crush works only for weaker characters, for example 5-C >>> anything below that.

In Bleach everyone has an inherent defense against spirtual attacks. Being physically strong won't stop this because that isn't affecting the physical body. You just need good enough resistance to soul manipulation.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Verse equalization has always made reiatsu crush be ap based

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Verse equalization has always made reiatsu crush be ap based

And verse equalization was decided to not give others powers they don't have. If you have no resistance then you have none.

But if you'd like to argue in order to survive you just need greater AP, that would mean someone like Tatsuki is comparable to Aizen (who was surprised she able to keep her form in his presence) and Yammy.

Orihime is comparable to Ichigo and Ulquiorra in AP.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I decided to ask some staff members for input.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I believe this was addressed before, however, I don't remember what the conclusions were.

 

[Paul_Frank]

The conclusions were ap=resistance to reiatsu crush

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The conclusions were ap=resistance to reiatsu crush

based off?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Didn't we have a thread where it was agreed that AP and durability weren't bound by Reiatsu?

Edit: Here it is.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Didn't we have a thread where it was agreed that AP and durability weren't bound by Reiatsu?

I believe so, but people don't seem to understand it can just obliterate the soul if the individual has no resistance.

 

[Antoniofer]

As far I known (and I do not known much) Reiatsu is the latent energy of the soul of entities, something like the combination of Life-Force and Soul Manipulation. That's it, what does exactly do Reiatsu Crush?

 

[Warren_Valion]

As far I known (and I do not known much) Reiatsu is the latent energy of the soul of entities, something like the combination of Life-Force and Soul Manipulation. That's it, what does exactly do Reiatsu Crush?

Reiatsu is the pressure that one releases when they use their Reiyorku (Spiritual Energy)

Reiatsu crush has a wide variety of abilities.


It can cause the person afflicted to feel phantom pains, to feel fear, it can paralyze he/she/it, it can make said he/she/it pass out, and at it's the strongest level, it can disintegrate he/she/it.

 

[Antoniofer]

Can it affect those with soullessness?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

" Reiatsu (Ú£èÕ£º, Spiritual Pressure) is the physical force/pressure that a person's Reiryoku Reiryoku creates when released "

Quoted

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

As far I known (and I do not known much) Reiatsu is the latent energy of the soul of entities, something like the combination of Life-Force and Soul Manipulation. That's it, what does exactly do Reiatsu Crush?

It has a variety of effects, some physically affecting the body and some not.

Effect's the body

• Paralysis
• Fear
• Stunning
• Full blown disintegration of the physical body.

Doesn't affect the body

• Obliteration of the soul or spiritual body.

The one the OP is asking about is the obliteration of the soul i'm sure which bypasses the body, he think it can be resisted via having a greater AP because people in-verse can resist that. But what he doesn't understand is that those people in-verse have a natural resistance to such things via an inherent resistance to soul manipulation.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Can it affect those with soullessness?

Ummm....my mind is a little hazy, but I am pretty sure Reiatsu affects physical matter as well.

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, when I refer to soullessness I meant beings that lacks of life-force, plants for example, do not have souls but get it have vitality. Indirectly affecting them may not count.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Can it affect those with soullessness?

Don't know, even nitrogen has a soul in Bleach lol.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Here's my thing: If Reiatsu is released simply by using spiritual energy, then why isn't it taken care of by stuff like, say, Verse Equalization? To use the match-up from the OP, Sasuke vs Aizen--Sasuke has chakra, which is spiritual and mental/life-force energy mixed. When you bring verse equalization into the picture, chakra = reiatsu/reiyorku, right? So what would stop Sasuke from simply absorbing the reiatsu pressure with the Rinnegan?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

"But what he doesn't understand is that those people in-verse have a natural resistance to such things via an inherent resistance to soul manipulation."


This is circular reasoning, however, im sure there's a reason, it's been a while since I've read

why do they have an inherent resistance ?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

"But what he doesn't understand is that those people in-verse have a natural resistance to such things via an inherent resistance to soul manipulation."


This is circular reasoning, however, im sure there's a reason, it's been a while since I've read

why do they have an inherent resistance ?

This.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Welp, when I refer to soullessness I meant beings that lacks of life-force, plants for example, do not have souls but get it have vitality. Indirectly affecting them may not count.

Literally everything in Bleach is made up with at least some sort of spiritual matter. Even man-made objects like lightbulbs, for instance.

So I couldn't really tell you.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Here's my thing:
If Reiatsu is released simply by using spiritual energy, then why isn't it taken care of by stuff like, say, Verse Equalization? To use the match-up from the OP, Sasuke vs Aizen--Sasuke has chakra, which is spiritual and mental/life-force energy mixed. When you bring verse equalization into the picture, chakra = reiatsu/reiyorku, right? So what would stop Sasuke from simply absorbing the reiatsu pressure with the Rinnegan?

It's an invisible force, and again you need resistance because vs equalization doesn't give powers you don't have. It only allows interaction between each other.

 

[Warren_Valion]

So what would stop Sasuke from simply absorbing the reiatsu pressure with the Rinnegan?

The Rinnegan absorbs energy, not pressure.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

"But what he doesn't understand is that those people in-verse have a natural resistance to such things via an inherent resistance to soul manipulation."

This is circular reasoning, however, im sure there's a reason, it's been a while since I've read

why do they have an inherent resistance ?

Even fodder like Tatsuki can resist city wide soul suck and being near Yammy. She has a relatviely strong soul so therefore she resist. E Aizen was surprised she was able to keep her form in his presence.

 

[Antoniofer]

If it absorbs life-force it should be able to absorb Reiatsu.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I don't want to devolve this thread into [insert Bleach character] vs. Sasuke again for the record.

That said--I've seen Reiatsu consistently described as pressure and force in this thread. How is this force not simply negated by someone with an overwhelming AP advantage, considering that the force of the Reiatsu Crush can't exceed the AP of the user? It just kinda smells like an NLF; immobilizing the soul doesn't necessary immobilize the physical body, either. Are we really going to suggest that Aizen could just "Reiatsu crush gg" even 3-A characters like SSGod Goku or Golden Freeza just because they don't have soul resistance? It just doesn't make any sense to me, especially considering how similar Reiryoku is to ki, chakra, etc.

 

[Antoniofer]

It is a physic pressure? Like, it cover an area and crush spiritual and physical matter alike, or it is something that only affect the soul/spirit of the target?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Reiatsu as far as I'm aware is the physical force/pressure that a person's Reiryoku exerts.

Reiryoku is the power of the person's spiritual sensitivity and willpower, It is used to provide power for their various abilities, This is because every spiritual being emits a certain amount of his/her own Reiryoku in the form of Reiatsu meaning that the stronger your Reryoku is, the higher your Reiatsu would be aswell.

As seen Here and Here


However, by our rules, Reryoku and Chakra would be Equalized, meaning that the larger the chakra the higher he or her's Reiatsu would be...negating any Reiatsu crush.

So from my Understanding yes Reiatsu crush would be negated by Verse Equalization.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

It is a physic pressure? Like, it cover an area and crush spiritual and physical matter alike, or it is something that only affect the soul/spirit of the target?

Soul Crush specifically is only the soul, i'll give to 2 examples.

This is what it looks like against a normal Humangetting soul crushed.

Here is a shinigamigetting annihilated.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Shadow

How would it negate it any way if chakra doesn't negate things? This is giving chakra an ability it doesn't have which isn't allowed.

How would they survive it if they have no resistance to soul destruction? same as above.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Verse equalization would equalize Reiryoku with Chakra, Reiatsu is the pressure of Reiryoku and has it's own effects while not being a physical thing.

It wouldn't fall under the equalization unless the energies being equalized both have an equivalent side effect like Reiatsu since it has esoteric effects.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Shadow
How would it negate it any way if chakra doesn't negate things? This is giving chakra an ability it doesn't have which isn't allowed.

How would they survive it if they have no resistance to soul destruction? same as above.

Because you dont need to have Soul resistance but comparable Reiatsu which is generated by your Reryoku.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Shadow
How would it negate it any way if chakra doesn't negate things? This is giving chakra an ability it doesn't have which isn't allowed.

How would they survive it if they have no resistance to soul destruction? same as above.

Because you dont need to have Soul resistance but comparable Reiatsu which is generated by your Reryoku.

So according to you, Orihime is equal to Ulquiorra and Yhwach. Tatsuki is equal to Yammy and Aizen.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Have you heard of pis

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Yeah that's straight up wrong unless you think Tatsuki has Reiryoku similar to Yammy.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Have you heard of pis

Excellent cop-out answer for 600+ chapters. That won't work here.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

>600+ chapters

>only two instances of Main Cast characters surviving things it was previously believed they wouldn't/shouldn't

>but PIS is "just a cop-out answer", despite it being used frequently for similar occurrences in other media

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yeah that's straight up wrong unless you think Tatsuki has Reiryoku similar to Yammy.

That is literally how it's treated everywhere is else and explained.

Like Here