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(Bleach) reiatsu crush gg no more?

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Bleach doesn’t need verse equalization to affect physical objects, since we see that powerful souls in Bleach (which includes anyone who isn’t like a normal human ghost) can affect the physical world
the physical worls is also made of spiritual matter, just much less of it than the other 2 realms.

also, if the paralysis doesnt work on the soul level, and is just physical, doesnt that go against this?

 
Thank you for providing an actual answer instead of saying something sarcastic or vague as opposed to other people on the thread.

That being said, that seems like poor reasoning. I understand equalizing speed for matches, but equalizing how energy work in a certain setting in a specific way... Eh...
That's a fundamental site thing, unfortunately. Still, the others did brought enough that we can consider this as legit. Reiatsu can straight up shake the heavens themselves, including spatial features.

Otherwise, yeah, we end up with Bleach characters being completely untouchable out of the fundamentals of their energy system... Which frankly it is quite simply: "You have a soul? We can touch each other"

Over complicating it unnecessarily is a no go, for me. Their energy has tangible effects, do you have enough to tank said effects? In this case, using the comparison to Nasu, their own souls are unaffected by the collapse upon being hit by reiatsu, but their own physical bodies lack this energy.
 
Nope it’s a hax thing
Yeah, ik. But arent you guys saying that for you to completly resist the reiatsu you need not only soul resistance, but also comparable statistics?
Both. If the stat difference is small enough you'd just get pinned down (See Aizen pinning Grimmjow.) but if the difference is something ridiculous like 4-A vs 6-C the 6-C character would be broken down into atoms due to the massive gap in AP and durability.
Sure thing
 
The physical world is not made of spiritual matter whatsoever. It’s explicitly stated by Urahara at the end of the substitute Shinigami arc that the physical world constitutes Kishi (physical matter) while the spiritual world constitutes reishi (spiritual matter).

And no paralysis inducement working on people in general has nothing to do with Bleach souls being invulnerable to non-astral attacks. Bleach souls aren’t invulnerable to hax, they’re invulnerable to non-astral attacks, like a random dude with a stick won’t harm a soul.
 
Yeah, ik. But arent you guys saying that for you to completly resist the reiatsu you need not only soul resistance, but also comparable statistics?
Because reiatsu has more than the esoteric components. It is straight up a physical pressure alongside the effects it carries on the soul. Of course you would need enough durability to tank that amount of energy going wild on you.
 
That's irrelevant. Also pretty sure it's never stated anywhere that the World of the Living has Reishi, which wouldn't make sense given that Kishi and Reishi cannot co-exist without serious consequences.
The fact that quincies can use their weapons in the WOL says enough.
 
@LIFE_OF_KING so RC has a lot of layers to it, like an onion, let’s look at Zaraki’s for example. There’s the AP aspect of it that deals damage, there’s the lifting strength aspect of it that literally crushes people, there’s the soul manipulation aspect that harms your soul, there’s the fear manip aspect that frightens you, there’s the illusion creation aspect that conjures images of black skeletons, and there’s the paralysis inducement aspect of it that paralyzes you. If you have the AP and LS to resist those aspects of RC then yes you can resist those aspects, but having the AP and LS to do so doesn’t mean you’d resist all the other hax aspects. Vice versa is true too, if you can resist all the hax but have far inferior stats, then you’d fall victim to the AP and LS aspects. Does that answer your question?
 
The fact that quincies can use their weapons in the WOL says enough.
Being able to conjure weapons =/= WotL is made of reishi. Ambient spirit energy and the sort can exist within WotL without the physical structures of WotL being made of reishi. For example, a Hollow is a reishi being, so when it is in WotL reishi is in WotL. However, the buildings ground clouds etc are all still Kishi (physical matter). Spiritual anything being able to permeate into WotL does not mean anything.
 
Because reiatsu has more than the esoteric components. It is straight up a physical pressure alongside the effects it carries on the soul. Of course you would need enough durability to tank that amount of energy going wild on you.
Ik im not saying that its wrong or anyway, im just asking if LS is also a need

Anyway, unfollowing
 
Being able to conjure weapons =/= WotL is made of reishi. Ambient spirit energy and the sort can exist within WotL without the physical structures of WotL being made of reishi. For example, a Hollow is a reishi being, so when it is in WotL reishi is in WotL. However, the buildings ground clouds etc are all still Kishi (physical matter). Spiritual anything being able to permeate into WotL does not mean anything.
I didnt say everything in the wol is made out of reishi, i said it exists, but at a lower concentration.
 
I didnt say everything in the wol is made out of reishi, i said it exists, but at a lower concentration.
Yes but that inherently conceded that WotL is Kishi and thus physical matter, reishi and Kishi aren’t fused, Reio separated reishi from Kishi, therefore affecting Kishi inherently means you’re affecting the physical matter itself not anything spiritual.
 
Being able to conjure weapons =/= WotL is made of reishi. Ambient spirit energy and the sort can exist within WotL without the physical structures of WotL being made of reishi. For example, a Hollow is a reishi being, so when it is in WotL reishi is in WotL. However, the buildings ground clouds etc are all still Kishi (physical matter). Spiritual anything being able to permeate into WotL does not mean anything.
I agree with this, after all, Quincy's can use the spiritual energy in the environment to create weapons etc. They can, so any spiritual energy circulating in that environment is enough. So yes, this does not mean that Wotl is made of reishi.
 
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