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Death Battle REMATCH | Madara vs Aizen

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RanaProGamer

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I realized that we were able to have a Naruto vs Bleach matchup not that long ago. As it stands, Soul Crush is currently baseline and can be resisted by baseline resistance, so this matchup is possible (until Bleach gets its layers approved).

Standard Battle Assumptions

Speed equalized

5-C Versions

Aizen has the Hogyoku but First Fusion; all other Fusions are restricted

Battle takes place on Fourth Great Ninja War battlefield

Madara scales to 88.74 Exatons
Aizen scales to 99.78 Exatons

Dual Rinnegan+Rinne Sharingan Juudara vs First Fusion Aizen

Who wins and why?
 
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Edit: Hogyoku makes this Aizen completely unkillable to anything Madara can pull out, and given that he resists sealing, it's only a matter of time before Aizen uses his fate hax and reality warping to pull out the win, since he'll desire victory in his heart.
 
RanaProGamer said:
I realized that we were able to have a Naruto vs Bleach matchup not that long ago. As it stands, Soul Crush is currently baseline and can be resisted by baseline resistance, so this matchup is possible (until Bleach gets its layers approved).

Standard Battle Assumptions

Speed equalized

5-C Versions

Aizen has the Hogyoku but First Fusion; all other Fusions are restricted

Battle takes place on Fourth Great Ninja War battlefield

Madara scales to 88.74 Exatons
Aizen scales to 99.78 Exatons

Dual Rinnegan+Rinne Sharingan Juudara vs First Fusion Aizen

Who wins and why?
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Will Madara be able to withstand all the effects of SC? Although there are psychological pressure, physical pressure, paralysis promotion, fear etc. factors, will Madara be able to resist all these factors, even if there is no bleach sc layer at the moment? Also, does Madara have a wincon?
 
Noes said:
Also, does Madara have a wincon
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Really only the infinite tsukuyomi, and even then, only if you think the Hogyoku couldn't get him out of it through adaptation or it's reality warping. Normal genjutsu won't work due to Reikaku taking over the actual eyesight for Bleach.

Madara doesn't have anything to kill a mid godly, and can't seal or paralyze a guy who can resist Ichibe's concept sealing through soul king pieces.
 
Deceived3596 said:
KS isn't Mind Manipulation or has really anything to do with the mind itself, it rather manipulates all five senses alongside your spiritual sense through manipulating your soul. It's categorized as Senses Manipulation on his profile for this reason.
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Would it effect Madara's eyesight at all considering the Sharingan famously negates sensory manipulation towards the eyes? Not to mention Madara's several forms of sensory abilities with Sage Mode and Six Paths Sage Mode which has dimensional potency.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Would it effect Madara's eyesight at all considering the Sharingan famously negates sensory manipulation towards the eyes? Not to mention Madara's several forms of sensory abilities with Sage Mode and Six Paths Sage Mode which has dimensional potency.
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I don't quite understand what you mean but does Madara have resistance to the effects of sc (paralysis induction, physical pressure, fear, psychological pressure etc) and I don't think madara's genjutsu is a wincon because aizen can counter it with ks and rw
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Would it effect Madara's eyesight at all considering the Sharingan famously negates sensory manipulation towards the eyes? Not to mention Madara's several forms of sensory abilities with Sage Mode and Six Paths Sage Mode which has dimensional potency.
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It's specifically stated to manipulate sixth senses so yes.

You could argue the illusion would just be subtle enough that Madara wouldn't know he's under it.
 
I recall Sharingan having layered resistance, so there’s that..?

Although the main question rn is does Madara have any wincons. In this key he starts with IT, but if it won’t work or can be escaped from, then it’s a stomp, seemingly.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Would it effect Madara's eyesight at all considering the Sharingan famously negates sensory manipulation towards the eyes? Not to mention Madara's several forms of sensory abilities with Sage Mode and Six Paths Sage Mode which has dimensional potency.
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He still has to worry about everything else, and that's if we don't consider that Aizen also affects his soul and his 6th sense. If Madara resists the illusions, he has to worry about his hearing, smell, sense of time, and touch being completely under his control. Aizen can make him feel like he got stabbed by 50 million swords and make him hear 40 million decibel explosions, or simply make him feel as if time moves at a snail's pace. Also Aizen has interdimensional capabilities with the Hogyoku as he can affect the three realms of Bleach.
 
Anyway. I'm voting Aizen. IT is a strong wincon, but I just think It's more likely he tries to directly fight Aizen, due to his own character, and Aizen manipulating him with social influencing. The physical fight is a fight Madara just loses due to the Hogyoku and an AP discrepancy.
 
I vote Aizen as well. While Madara does have the speed advantage, he just can't really do anything to Aizen. Killing him is impossible and Aizen can resist sealing. Genjutsu can be a problem, but I'm of the opinion that the Hogyoku will find a way to free Aizen of it.
 
Arcker123 said:
That's kinda why I mentioned Aizen social influencing. Aizen can just goad him into a direct confrontation
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It's also in character for him to want to assert dominance, I mean c'mon look what he did to the 5 Kages. Aizen can take advantage of that
 
Is Aizen not trying to stop him? Besides, Aizens skilled enough at manipulation to make Madara believe his best interest is fighting him. Through even just goading and taunting
 
SlendVeny said:
He is, but Madara's right there. He didn't go around and fight the army once he got IT ready.
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He also wasn't fighting genius manipulators who would know every exact button to push to get him to do whatever just by looking at him.

He'll, even did use limbo and chibaku's against him. Nothing about his performance against Sasuke and narrow suggests he can't be goaded into a fight
 
Arcker123 said:
He also wasn't fighting genius manipulators who would know every exact button to push to get him to do whatever just by looking at him.

He'll, even did use limbo and chibaku's against him. Nothing about his performance against Sasuke and narrow suggests he can't be goaded into a fight
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I'm not saying he can't, it's just not as easy as people say.
 
Even though I don't agree with every argument in favor of Aizen, I'm still confident that Aizen will win via superior skill, battle intelligence, hogyoku, kyoka suigetsu.
 
Madara in this key opens with limbo, u can argue aizen can sense them (although that's his tybw key iirc) but how does he actually touch them?

Also don't forget he has the rinnegan abilities so he COULD absorb any energy based attack aizen has basically forcing him to rely on had to hand

I also agree ks isnt mind manipulation but since when wasn't it perception manipulation?
 
Kidkinsey said:
Madara in this key opens with limbo, u can argue aizen can sense them (although that's his tybw key iirc) but how does he actually touch them?

Also don't forget he has the rinnegan abilities so he COULD absorb any energy based attack aizen has basically forcing him to rely on had to hand

I also agree ks isnt mind manipulation but since when wasn't it perception manipulation?
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If she can interact with Limbo through NPI or space-time manipulation, Aizen has these and Madara absorbing an energy-based attack here is not a big threat for Aizen, so what can Madara do against Aizen's KS and SC?
 
RanaProGamer said:
I'm aware, the best it would do is prevent his soul from being erased
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Has Madara actually been shown to resist his soul being erased, crushed or anything like that?
if not then Aizen just stomps icl
his resistance to soul manip would not be applicable here
 
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Noes said:
If she can interact with Limbo through NPI or space-time manipulation, Aizen has these and Madara absorbing an energy-based attack here is not a big threat for Aizen, so what can Madara do against Aizen's KS and SC?
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Who? Who is she lol.

Madara has resistance to illusion creation and perception manipulation for ks. As for soul crush he resist paralysis fear etc
 
Kidkinsey said:
Who? Who is she lol.

Madara has resistance to illusion creation and perception manipulation for ks. As for soul crush he resist paralysis fear etc
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Yes, it is resistant to paralysis inductions, but spirit attack, physical, duress, fear manipulation, etc. Is it resistant to factors? If so, you can quote from his profile..
 
Kidkinsey said:
Madara in this key opens with limbo, u can argue aizen can sense them (although that's his tybw key iirc) but how does he actually touch them?

Also don't forget he has the rinnegan abilities so he COULD absorb any energy based attack aizen has basically forcing him to rely on had to hand

I also agree ks isnt mind manipulation but since when wasn't it perception manipulation?
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He was never shown to manipulate people's sense of time prior to the TYBW.
Kidkinsey said:
Who? Who is she lol.

Madara has resistance to illusion creation and perception manipulation for ks. As for soul crush he resist paralysis fear etc
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He resists them because he resist the mind manipulation that causes it, not the direct control of his senses
 
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