Bleach Calculation Flaws and God-Tier Scaling removal

[RavenSupreme]

I will keep it short.

Our current scaling for the Bleach God-Tiers is based upon a flawed calculation of the Lifting feat

┬À 1) The density used is 2.6 - it is not converted to 2.600 for KG/m3

┬À 2) it used the volume of a complete sphere which is a massive inflation since it assumes everything within that sphere is part of the volume.

Whereas instead it is just about 20% of it.

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The found result is therefore both inflated and deflated at the same time. In addition it doesnt account for a) the correct density material nor does it account for b) hollowness for the buildings etc.

It also has no corresponding pixel scaling which allows us to refer to a fixed point.

These points alone, much less all together, forbig us to allow the calc to be used further.

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As you may know most of the accepted Bleach calcs have been made by me (Size of Seireitei, Mimihagi Speed, Gremmy Meteor). This one has not ― hence my proposal is that I will recalc the entire feat myself. And we use my found results afterwards.

As ist right now however it can not be used.

Please let me be aware if you are fine with my proposal and the removal of the scalings fort he time being until I am finished.

 

[AstralKing7]

If the calc is wrong then it obviously should be fixed. I trust you re calcing it since you did the others.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's not surprising that the calc would be wrong. A lot of the Bleach feats are calced not by Calc Members with experience in the subject but by Bleach fans with none interested in upgrading the series.

 

[Antvasima]

Raven tends to know what he is doing. I trust his judgement.

 

[Dark649]

I was expecting this with the Bleach calcs.

 

[Chibi14]

So again a downgrade for Bleach verse(at least for top and god tiers)? Well I agree with raven at this point, this should be remove if the calc is wrong.

 

[Damage3245]

I had my own problems with that calc that I was going to propose sooner or later. I don't think it can be used reliably and should be removed from the profiles for now.

 

[Apatheticskell]

Ok @Raven I think you should begin now.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

So, how hard is Bleach gonna get downgraded?

 

[Antvasima]

Let's wait wih revisions until after RavenSupreme has had his new calculation accepted.

 

[Konaguna]

Good lord HST stats constantly change, can't you like seetrlw for something in radius meyhaps

 

[Sera_EX]

Yes, the HST (and I'd argue Fairy Tail as well) are continuously revised for any number of reasons.

 

[Andytrenom]

What's the actual density in kg/m3?

 

[PaChi2]

It's not surprising that the calc would be wrong. A lot of the Bleach feats are calced not by Calc Members with experience in the subject but by Bleach fans with none interested in upgrading the series.

Let's not turn this into a youknowwhatstorm.

 

[Sera_EX]

Has anyone asked what the Kalculator thinks? ovo.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I've known about the mistakes of the calc for a while now per previous discussions with Raven.

I ask that people passionate about Bleach to not worry or cause an uproar. We strive for accuracy here and Raven upholds such goals as well.

I completely trust him, his calcs and judgements. Allow him the time to update it so we can maintain that accuracy.

 

[PaChi2]

Has anyone asked what the Kalculator thinks? ovo.

I expected it to be kepe for some reason.

 

[Kaltias]

I expected it to be kepe for some reason.

Maybe because he is an actual calc group member instead of a bootleg version like me lol

 

[Rocker1189]

Maybe because he is an actual calc group member instead of a bootleg version like me lol

Why roast yourself like this...

 

[Apatheticskell]

Why?

 

[Kaltias]

@Rocker

It's a joke about the fact that I was offered a calc group member position a century ago, but never accepted because I don't have the time for that

 

[Andytrenom]

From now on I'm calling Howard as Calculator ovo

 

[Rocker1189]

@Rocker
It's a joke about the fact that I was offered a calc group member position a century ago, but never accepted because I don't have the time for that

oh ok..

 

[AppleLord]

I was going to bring this subject later on, and talk about how Gremmy's meteor feat has the same problem. I made a calc OUTSIDE VSBW because I am not allowed to do calcs in this site that I personally consider accurate compare to the inflation result that uses an assume size for Seireitei. It's also accepted by most debating websites out there on the web.

 

[Mxy5]

seems good

 

[AppleLord]

It would be accurate to my old accepted Yamamoto calc here. It doesn't break the scaling much unless you want to debate Gremmy been stronger than the old man.

 

[MachTwo]

It's not surprising that the calc would be wrong. A lot of the Bleach feats are calced not by Calc Members with experience in the subject but by Bleach fans with none interested in upgrading the series.

?

Doesn't matter who calc it when calc members(several of them) still need to review and accept those calc.

So blame those Calc Members too?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Machtwo

Calc members should be more careful of what is accepted. It is not uncommon for me to find glaring errors with calcs that have been accepted.

One of the reasons I left the calc group was because the constant evaluation requests made it very tempting to just give a thumbs up after a small glance, but I didn't want to slip into that territory or spend most of my time re-doing calcs.

So yeah. You have a point but I do sympathize.

 

[Sera_EX]

Well, I don't want to derail on that front but maybe the responsibility shouldn't solely rest on the shoulders of the calc group. I mean, you don't need to be a mathematician to verify that 10 times 10 is 100. Anyone should be able to fact-check a calc.

 

[Kepekley23]

We already do stuff like that anyway. Calc group members evaluate the formulas and not the assumptions as said in the very page.

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, if the person used 2kg/m^3 for the calculation, I'm fairly sure the calc would receive a massive upgrade considering the actual density of stone is 1000 times higher.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I've heard pretty convincing arguments that Yhwach didn't lift the whole thing nor is the city that large. Characters outright call what Yhwach lifted "a town" on panel.

 

[Kepekley23]

Didn't even have to wait for seconds after I made that post for the feat itself to get downgrade talks...

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

That guy said a town ƒÿ¡

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Didn't even have to wait for seconds after I made that post for the feat itself to get downgrade talks...

TBH it's something I've been hearing for over a month.

 

[Damage3245]

I've heard pretty convincing arguments that Yhwach didn't lift the whole thing nor is the city that large. Characters outright call what Yhwach lifted "a town" on panel.

Here is the page for reference.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

What is your source?

I need to know.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah what Yhwach lifted isn't as large as Seireitei itself.

 

[Kepekley23]

It's convenient that this was only brought up roughly ten seconds after I made a post mentioning the feat would be upgraded, rather than a few weeks ago. But I'll ignore that.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

You know what else is called a town? Karakura Town, which is also called a city with 1,000,000 residents.