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Is simple: Time Baby is pretty much aware of other dimensions since is stated to come from another one, and he couldn't be reffering to just an universe. Plus he appeared during the Weirdmageddon, thus he must be reffering to it when it was saying about the existence collapsing.What's all the proof for Bill destroying the multiverse including Nightmare realm?
I believe the "threat to the multiverse" statement was countered as Bill just not being a localised thread by Somebody Data. Fabric of existence is also not necessarily all of existence so Low 1-C off of that might be flimsy
I do not have enough free time and focus. My apologies.Actuallly, If you are available today, would you please give us your inputs?
Thank you for helping out Andy.What's all the proof for Bill destroying the multiverse including Nightmare realm?
I believe the "threat to the multiverse" statement was countered as Bill just not being a localised threat by Somebody Data. Fabric of existence is also not necessarily all of existence so Low 1-C off of that might be flimsy
but there is also a 5D calculus scan for Nightmare Realm, is it poor evidence too?I am a bit iffy about the tier. While the higher plane things could be valid, there is little to no evidence that it is higher infinite in the tiering system. The Nightmare realm is a similar case with the poor evidence regarding higher infinite in the tiering system.
The evidence would have been stronger if the author's tweet were proved true.
Heh, tbh it should be. As it exists between all the universes and it's needed a 5th dimensional formula, (and I remind that everytime Stanford talks about things as "two-dimensional" etc he reffers to spatial dimensions), and is an higher place, so why not.I am a bit iffy about the tier. While the higher plane things could be valid, there is little to no evidence that it is higher infinite in the tiering system. The Nightmare realm is a similar case with the poor evidence regarding higher infinite in the tiering system.
A thing like “possible Immeasurable” then?So, Immeasurable speed is iffy, to me.
so, will you help crtoh boy another discussion about Bill's tier
sure, why notso, will you help crt
Formersure, why not
what's the main idea here? Is it Bill destroying nightmare realm? Bill BEING the Nightmare realm?
Honestly, until the Twitter statements get an actual link, I think we should make a thing like this:
Low 2-C physically, as he can indeed destroy a reality/universe from his own, and Low 1-C via Weirdmageddon, as he could still make collapse the whole reality or also making it completely lawless and mess it as he wanted to (he was still a treat to it heh), only that doesen't scale physically as he had to escape from the Nightmare Realm)
Plus Higher-Dimensional Existence as he still originates from an higher plane and was implied to be above 3Ds on a dimensional POV, so in short:
Multiverse still 5D is good as the whole Nightmare Realm is still an higher plane, a space between all the universes and to "access" it it was needed a 5D calculus, meaning that it should be Low 1-C in itself.
- 4D Physically
- Low 2-C in stats
- Low 1-C via hax
Honestly, the new ratings I've suggested got enough approvals to get applied. However, we'd need a staff member agreeing with my new suggestion.
That said, Bill should also get Higher-Dimensional Manipulation due of him messing with 5D stuff via hax.
Hax-wise he should also get:
1st key Bill should also get:
- Spatial Manipulation (Controls space)
- Rage Power and Transformation (When angry he transforms in his Monster Form, making him stronger)
- A justification for Law Manipulation, Causality Manipulation and Physics Manipulation (Stated to be able to free the reality from any kind of law and causality system)
- Electricity Manipulation (Obvious reasons here)
- Self-Sustenance (Types 1, 2 and possibly 3) due of him heavily implied to not have respiratory and nutritional needs. 3 is already adressed in stamina.
- Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, as it was shown him freerly in outer space after all, Time Manipulation (Was implied to not be bound from the flow of time), Reality Warping, Transmutation and Life Manipulation due of him not being affected from his messing up the reality with Weirdmageddon
- Type 4 Acausality should be a thing too because he was an inhabitant of the Nightmare Realm, which is lawless, and he wouldn't be affected from the laws of reality and causality being affected unlike the others, plus the flow of time thing
Speed wise, I think Immeasurable should return, according to the FAQ:
- Resistance to Quantum Manipulation (Exists in a state of quantum uncertainty, making alterations on a quantum scale against it ineffective)
- Extrasensory Perception (Could see Dipper's soul despite the latter can't be seen nor heard from regular humans)
They can qualify for Immeasurable Speed, however, if the regular dimension of time appears like a spatial dimension from their higher dimensional perspective. That is to say, that it can freely be traversed both forward and backwards, allowing them to access any point in it and move unbound by the notions of time inherent to the lower space. An example of this are the Bulk Beings from Interstellar.
Bill should, as he could freerly time travel, is unbound from time itself unlike 3Ds (who I already mentioned that for him are limited comparated to his new status of existence) and, again, comes from an higher plane.
I know the only actual evidence is him not being bound from the flow of time, but the other 2 just makes it more solid and makes it fit more the FAQ.
So many main ideas I think...I want to add one more addition hax for Bill;
Cosmic Awareness: He was watching Ford and Dipper from another dimension (This dimension is Nightmare Realm).
Cosmic Awareness is associated with both Clairvoyance and Enhanced Senses and acts as a combination of the two that takes it to a much higher scale, allowing users to observe others from across the universe and "hear" things across such distances.
I'm not sure where Bill having causality manip comes from, the link just takes me to an unrelated GF Wiki page
yes we discussed it in the other discussion thread but as you said it will probably be taken through the ''via rift'' (I'm still against but whatever)I would like to know where it's proven Bill can destroy a universe on his own
I understand so let me take a look at the panels for that.Bill is seeing the events of earth through screen of some kind, cosmic awareness would be him sensing it on his own
Could you give the source for this?Low 2-C physically, as he can indeed destroy a reality/universe from his own
This quote neither claims he'd collapse it, nor does it mean all 2-A multiverse. It's talking about our universe, with visuals about our universe. Nothing there implies 2-A scale, or destruction.Low 1-C via Weirdmageddon, as he could still make collapse the whole reality
The universe, yes. But that's his reality warping.or also making it completely lawless and mess it as he wanted to
This was brought up plenty of times in the past. Regardless of there being infinite universes, someone going out and destroying universes for fun would still be considered a threat and stopping that could be described as saving it from his "wrath". Ford was multiversally wanted for far lesser crimes.
He is originally from a 2D plane (and Ford went to a 2D plane, and outright said that despite what you might think, he wasn't godlike to them). The nightmare realm is the foam between universes, but not only is it naturally decaying with or without Bill, it is also a free-for-all to anyone who goes there. Ford outright says that normal people might accidentally eat a planet while there due to funky physics. And I recall and can see, no actual claims of Bill himself destroying this dimension.Plus Higher-Dimensional Existence as he still originates from an higher plane
Since this was a summary of arguments, mind giving the quote? He can see through a lot of stuff, yes, but he doesn't look down on it as a person would look at a piece of paper or anything of the like. I think I recall him seeing through everything shaped like his eye, including the trees and the painted glass.and was implied to be above 3Ds on a dimensional POV
Higher dimensions alone mean nothing for tiering now, you know that, right? You'd need to prove that being 5D makes you uncountably infinite.Multiverse still 5D is good as the whole Nightmare Realm is still an higher plane, a space between all the universes and to "access" it it was needed a 5D calculus, meaning that it should be Low 1-C in itself.
Agreed.
Based on what? He can shapeshift a lot, which should make transformation not worth adding. And he already has rage power listed, though I don't agree with it. The fact that him being angry makes him use a power he always has doesn't mean he can exclusively use that power when angry.
- Rage Power and Transformation (When angry he transforms in his Monster Form, making him stronger)
Agreed, but you forgot to link the electricity.
- A justification for Law Manipulation, Causality Manipulation and Physics Manipulation (Stated to be able to free the reality from any kind of law and causality system)
- Electricity Manipulation (Obvious reasons here)
- Self-Sustenance (Types 1, 2 and possibly 3) due of him heavily implied to not have respiratory and nutritional needs. 3 is already adressed in stamina.
- Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, as it was shown him freerly in outer space after all,
Nah. The Reddit Q&A can't be used for one, but for another, he only took control of time after that Q&A took place at all, and while he plans to remove causality, the implication was that as long as someone was controlling time he couldn't.
- Time Manipulation (Was implied to not be bound from the flow of time), Reality Warping, Transmutation and Life Manipulation due of him not being affected from his messing up the reality with Weirdmageddon
Agreed.
- Type 4 Acausality should be a thing too because he was an inhabitant of the Nightmare Realm, which is lawless, and he wouldn't be affected from the laws of reality and causality being affected unlike the others, plus the flow of time thing
I'll post all that you need tomorrow, I'm tired asf now.Stuff
mmm actually those beings are not 11-dimensional, it is implied/meaning that they were born in universes 7 to 11. I mentioned this on the blog as well, and thank you for your feedbackA hard thing to do, since 3D and 2D people alike can enter the Nightmare Realm, and since the 11-dimensional beings we know of crashlanded on planet earth. Whether they died or not doesn't even matter, because higher (spatial) dimensions only get higher infinities if you assume it gives you uncountably more mass, which would have blown the planet to smithereens.
Not sure what you specifically mean.This. But in the other discussion Efi stated that this is "via rift", but there was opposite polarization, of course ...
No, I don't agree with that.mmm actually those beings are not 11-dimensional, it is implied/meaning that they were born in universes 7 to 11. I mentioned this on the blog as well, and thank you for your feedback
But if we think about the reason Ford knew them, couldn't it be because he traveled dimensions in the multiverse? and there are examples for the universes/dimensions he travels, not all of them are used as spatial dimensions. Also, doesn't pan-dimensional mean across dimensions?No, I don't agree with that.
"Dimension" as a word is used for both spatial dimension and universe-alternative by Ford. You assumed he meant universe when he was talking about them, but... "pan-dimensional" and "they exist in 7 to 11 dimensions at once" cannot function if that were the case.
Pan-dimensional is not a word that can be used if you define dimension as a synonym for universe. Their gag, relies on them having to juggle moving in 7 to 11 directions at once, and thus crashing. Ford has used the word dimension in the context of a spatial dimension.
Assuming that they aren't higher dimensional makes no sense here.
I think that pan-dimensional means "all of the available dimensions" in a certain setting.But if we think about the reason Ford knew them, couldn't it be because he traveled dimensions in the multiverse? and there are examples for the universes/dimensions he travels, not all of them are used as spatial dimensions. Also, doesn't pan-dimensional mean across dimensions?
His traveling in the multiverse is stated to be the reason he knows of them, but I fail to see how this affects things?But if we think about the reason Ford knew them, couldn't it be because he traveled dimensions in the multiverse? and there are examples for the universes/dimensions he travels, not all of them are used as spatial dimensions. Also, doesn't pan-dimensional mean across dimensions?
Yeah, hell of a year. At least now in summer, I'll be free more.Thank you for helping out Ricsi. I haven't seen you here in a while.
Okay, I will think about it a little bit. You put me in a contradiction... Also, according to what you said, does it not make the Nightmare Realm in 11 dimensional?, because it is stated that all dimensions connection/between/gateway on it.His traveling in the multiverse is stated to be the reason he knows of them, but I fail to see how this affects things?
He traveled to a 2D dimension just fine, I see no reason why he could not travel to a higher dimension as well.
Pan-dimensional is saying that something is in all dimensions (pan, meaning all in latin). If it were to refer to universes, that would be non-sensical. If it's referring to spatial dimensions, that means there are 7 to 10 dimensions.
The problem is also that they are described as existing in those dimensions at once, which rules the possibility of them simply being spread over those dimensions. It is also directly followed by referencing their bad sense of direction, which would be a complete non-sequitur if it weren't for spatial dimensions.
F indeed.Okay, I will think about it a little bit. You put me in a contradiction... Also, according to what you said, does it not make the Nightmare Realm in 11 dimensions, because it is stated that all dimensions connection/between/gateway on it.
As I said, he uses "dimensional" for both spatial dimensions and universe-synonym. That's just a thing he does.There’s an issue with all of this.
It says “dimensional-hooping” life, which is referring to the parallel dimensions and not the spatial ones here
It's actually was in Bill's physical key, but if we count this as electricity manipulation, it can be added to his key in a mind too.Agreed, but you forgot to link the electricity.
It was the "Bill destroying the reality scan" and him time travelling and using another body to destroy an universe initially. However, there's a statement about him having "infinite power". While it sounds an hyperbole, he's still superior to Time Baby, who comes from another dimension and can consume time, so that can be a Low 2-C rating. Tho, if it can help, he can tamper with alternate realities as well from itself, meaning that prolly even 2-C can go? Also, to support the infinite power statement, we'd need the scan of Mabelland having infinite energy so that's not hyperbole.Could you give the source for this?
As said, he comes from another dimension, he must be reffering to all the verse for one, since he must be aware of every other dimension.This quote neither claims he'd collapse it, nor does it mean all 2-A multiverse. It's talking about our universe, with visuals about our universe. Nothing there implies 2-A scale, or destruction.
My man, I argued "Low 2-C, Low 1-C with Weirdmageddon" since that's the result of his hax. Weirdmageddon effects don't scale physically to it at all, due of Bill having to escape from Nightmare Realm. Plus, as another evidence that even the Nightmare Realm is under his controll, he could summon his friends from there, which couldn't make sense if he wasn't controlling even it.The universe, yes. But that's his reality warping.
Basically he heavily implied to not being bound from the 3rd dimension anymore. And don't try to bring the "muh reality-fiction" because we got dudes as Anime Ghidorah who are the reason why such conception on higher dimensions isn't a thing anymore.Since this was a summary of arguments, mind giving the quote? He can see through a lot of stuff, yes, but he doesn't look down on it as a person would look at a piece of paper or anything of the like. I think I recall him seeing through everything shaped like his eye, including the trees and the painted glass.
What are you even saying here.Nah. The Reddit Q&A can't be used for one, but for another, he only took control of time after that Q&A took place at all
Against Shacktron he could kinda of fight on par tbh. Also the latter was heavily implied to be powered from that Unicorn's dust, so it kinda was Low 2-C tbfAnd... his body is not Low 2-C when we actually see it in action. And you can't claim PIS when there is no concrete opposing evidence, the idea of Bill being a glass canon whose body is easy to break while his reality-warping is his main power is absolutely consistent with what Bill is presented as.