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Including the one from Vagabond. Also Sasaki Jokiro, from Vagabond too.
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Best Swordsmen On The Wiki
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Definitely not Gut's or Dante.
Vergil is better than both of them in terms of swordplay, as that's kinda his fortre. Dante is the better gunslinger while Vergil is better at Swordsmanship but even then i don't think Vergil has enough to be a contender here. Unfortunately Devil May Cry doesn't dive that much into the skill category aside from some levels of Prediction and Mimicry.although Vergil is a chad so he should be number 1
Vergil is better than both of them in terms of swordplay, as that's kinda his fortre. Dante is the better gunslinger while Vergil is better at Swordsmanship but even then i don't think Vergil has enough to be a contender here. Unfortunately Devil May Cry doesn't dive that much into the skill category aside from some levels of Prediction and Mimicry.
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I'm faced with the immediate fearful knowledge of having to actually update this list
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feel my pain hahahahahahahahaha.
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Im surprised Mihawk is 2nd.
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It's not ranked iirc.
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Saber Lancelot should be included too
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Guts definitely does....learned swordplay since a kid, learning to kill veteran mercenaries with a sword he couldn't even lift up properly at the very start. His feats only getting better as he graduated to bigger swords.
Stalemated that Flying Lion with horn whose name I forgot....who has I believe 300-400 yeas of combat experience.
Parried that slug tentacle zombie soldier in the Black Swordsman arc, while he was randomly attacked from multiple axxes...
Defeated that Kushan Main Character multiple times in combat who himself is prodigy in multiple forms of combat...
For a damn human, he is pretty damned skilled. He can atleast contend with the non-haxxy ones
Stalemated that Flying Lion with horn whose name I forgot....who has I believe 300-400 yeas of combat experience.
Parried that slug tentacle zombie soldier in the Black Swordsman arc, while he was randomly attacked from multiple axxes...
Defeated that Kushan Main Character multiple times in combat who himself is prodigy in multiple forms of combat...
For a damn human, he is pretty damned skilled. He can atleast contend with the non-haxxy ones
Dante actually is the one who has better feats....in 2nd novel he literally one upped a guy who could retrocog and precog and leech of all knowledge from accross time of human and demon world, mimic fighting style from past, and did so with one arm, also defeated someone in sword duel who trained for 2000 yrs just to defeat Sparda, but got negged.
Faught inside and against a omnipresent void, Instinctively dodging all danmaku attacks inside pitch Black void where nothing could be seen.
Vergil just scales to all this cuz he stalemates Dante.
Faught inside and against a omnipresent void, Instinctively dodging all danmaku attacks inside pitch Black void where nothing could be seen.
Vergil just scales to all this cuz he stalemates Dante.
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Will reply to the above once I stop being tipsy.
also in the middle of a weekly argument and you know how long that takes
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Guts absolutely qualifies. He was killing frontline commanders up to the rank of generals by the age of 11, these being dudes who had to be combat masters due to their position, both physically and hierarchically within their armies. At age 6 and using a weapon that was oversized for him, he managed to score a hit on his adopted father, who had decades of experience at that point. After going out on his own he was entirely self-taught yet ended up basically unrivaled even at his young age. At 15, he killed, bordering on stomped, Bazuso, who killed killed 30 soldiers by himself and was hard carrying his forces in a defense of their castle. He stomped Casca (who also has feats of defeating elite frontline commanders), the second best sword fighter in the Band of the Hawk, an elite mercenary band, and even after just having recovered from severe blood loss that left him bedridden and unconscious for days, he held his own against Griffith, who was considerably superior to Casca. His skill improved even more from there, including impressing Nosferatu Zodd, a warmongering demon with centuries of combat experience, who hadn't even been hit by a mere human in over 300 years by that point. Later, Guts killed over 100 men by himself while wounded, and was continuing to be wounded throughout the night-long battle, with him losing the use of one of his hands early on. Man literally clutched a 1v100 with one hand. When he left the Band of the Hawk, he defeated Griffith with a single strike. For a year afterwards was training obsessively, including cleaving apart hordes of logs as they tumbled down a waterfall at him. He stomped Silat twice, even though Silat was stomping career warriors, and even though he had zero experience fighting against Silat's style. Guts also survived the Eclipse, and went on to fight nightly against hordes of malicious spirits, essentially getting zero sleep and thus doing this repeatedly for 2 years in a weakened state. By the time he faced Slug Count, he was considered undefeatable by any human, and keep in mind that Count was stating this about his skill, not about his superhuman abilities. Also keep in mind that Guts only had 5 years of "formal" (in big air quotes) training, and was entirely self-taught otherwise. Later on, he fairly easily won against Serpico, a master fencer (good enough to not only stomp other trained fencers, but to convincingly throw a match against them, while at the same time controlling the match enough to end it in a draw) in two fights that Serpico had purposefully stacked against him. And for the icing on the cake, he rematches Nosferatu Zodd and fought him to a deadlock, with Zodd having to morph into his Apostle form to defeat him.
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While also being physically inferior.....
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Most of what you posted are feats of Endurance and AP. Gut's isn't exactly graceful in terms of swordplay, he's more akin to a berserker who won't stop till your dead. He doesn't predict attacks ahead of time, doesn't have information Analysis and lacks solid showcasing of crazy skill. Solo'ing armies of fodder isn't worthy of labeling someone as "The most skilled."
There are hundreds of characters on this wiki who greatly outdo anything shown by Gut's.
There are hundreds of characters on this wiki who greatly outdo anything shown by Gut's.
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^ although I’m not caught up to berserk I have to agree. I don’t think guts should make the list.
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Guts is definitely skilled but in comparison to those with crazy, insane levels of bull shit skill like RoR Sasaki, Musashi from Fate or Baki and so on and so forth Gut's doesn't compare as all of them are capable of doing his feats (which are mainly pure AP and endurance. Gut's isn't graceful and his Swordsmanship is more akin to "imma hit it until its dead.") but to a much greater degree.
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Not by much at that point
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the issue with Dante is that he also uses like, a metric fuckton of things that aren't swords, he didn't accomplish all that through just being skilled with a sword.
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Heh?????
All of his major feats involve Rebellion or E&I to a small degree....
He hasn't faught any bosses with anything else besides that.....
All of his major feats involve Rebellion or E&I to a small degree....
He hasn't faught any bosses with anything else besides that.....
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Capricorn shura could be a decent one on the list. He knows and prefers to sword fight using his limbs rather than a sword, and has a literal 6th sense. Amongst other senses. Not only this, he has the precision to sever 20 billion souls that were attached to a body, without harming the bodies own soul, all with one attack. He’s considered a master swordsman in his verse, which includes a guy who was holding off a man who wielded a sword that was said to be as strong as someone who was stronger than a low multiverse level character, with a universal level + sword. And, he can still fight without 5 of his 7-8 senses. He’s probably not the top 5 in fiction but I think this is pretty good.
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Underselling him vastly. Guts has expert control and finesse with the blade. Griffith and Guts had been in constant contact in the three years between their fights, Griffith knew just how strong Guts had become, and his sword wasn't broken because of him underestimating Guts in that regard. Guts broke Griffith's sword because his skill and control had improved past that of Griffith, and thus Griffith's estimations were insufficient to deflect him properly. Guts, as previously stated, could also intercept every log that was hurdling toward him off of a waterfall, which is a skill feat, and a good one at that, not some kind of ooga booga me strong feat. Also as Gilver mentioned, Guts was easily keeping up with a randomly and rapidly-flailing axe that was being swung around at FTE speed and was covering nearly every inch of the room he and his opponent were in, and he wasn't countering it with baseball swings, he was using tight, efficient blocks, not wasting time, space, or stamina at all. And as I mentioned, Slug Count was referring to Guts' skill when he said no human could hope to match him. Also as I mentioned, stalemated a demon who had been fighting battles for upwards of a millennium and hadn't been harmed for nearly 3 centuries, and easily kept up against a cheap-shotting fencing master who even in a straight fight can toy with well and professionally-trained fencers like a master fencer would toy with a novice. Via his own feats and via scaling, Guts is an absolute skill beast. Maybe not every bit as skilled as Baki's Musashi, but the skill he does have would make him at home within ultra-skilled martial arts series like Baki and Vagabond.
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At the point of Volume 2 which is where you said the feat was from he had shit like
-Time Slow
-Royalguard
-Duplication
-Various types of amps like quick heart
-All sorts of weapons and armor, not just a sword
I'm not gonna pretend dante's not skilled but he's not a "haha swordskill go brr" guy
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I feel that u should add Hakurou
Hakurou (Light Novel)
Hakurou is one of the six Kijin who was named by Rimuru. He received the title of "Instructor" by Rimuru and is responsible for the martial arts and Arts technique training of any key figures in the Jura-Tempest Federation, which includes Rimuru, the other Kijin, the Hobgoblins, and others...
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Forgot the link so here.Shura. even while missing a forearm, he’s still highly capable of defeating one of the more skilled Saints, dragon shiryu, who trained under a 200 year old martial arts master , libra dohko, who had the ability to match another saint who was said to be more skilled than Minor gods of the underworld, which are themselves thousands of years old.
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Didn't use against any of the persons I listed, since they already resist, so no use.
Never used against Void Mundus, Chen or Baul either.
Again, never used it against them
He doesn't get that untill DMC2, 2nd novel happens before 2, hell even DT isn't acknowledged in the 2nd novel. Does everything in base.
Again, faught against all 3 guys I mentioned with sword+gun only.....he doesn't have any extra quirky weapons in anime and 2 to begin with.
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Another character I'd like to nominate is Sekiro. In the early game, he's capable of mastering fighting styles such as the Ashina style (which seems to be a blend of various Japanese martial arts, primarily jujutsu, iaijutsu and ono-ha itto-ryu), and Floating Passage, an advanced kata of the Okami fighting style, just by reading informative texts, which is next to if not impossible IRL, and those are only two of at very least half a dozen examples. Also in the early game and throughout the rest of it, he's capable of replicating Sekijo's unique Prosthetic Arm-based fighting style just by reading up on it as well. He can also handily best Genichiro Ashina, a master of both Ashina and Okami fighting styles, and to do so he, yet again, learned an advanced technique (this time the ability of lightning reversal) by reading about it once. On top of that, even prior to fighting Genichiro, he handily defeated Gyoubu Oniwa, who rather easily won a 1v100 against enemies with physicals comparable to Sekiro and himself, with seemingly no harm taken. Sekiro also goes on to surpass his own teachers, Owl and Butterfly, in single combat, even going back into Owl's past memories to fight and kill him in his prime. He also blends what he's learned, what he already knew, and his various unique weaponry to develop his own unique skills, such as Empowered Mortal Draw, Bestowal Ninjutsu, and High Monk. During the game's endings he goes on to fodderize either Genichiro or Emma, both being the second best masters of the Ashina style, behind only its creator Isshin, and then also kills Isshin as well; with Isshin amped by the Flames of Hatred in the Shura ending, and restored to his prime in the other three. To illustrate Isshin's skill, let's look to his ultimate techniques: One Mind and Dragon Flash. Both were the culmination of his several decades of battle experience, with One Mind being so fast that its multiple circular strikes move FTE even to himself, and Dragon Flash creating shockwaves from slashing the air with great speed and force, not to mention it's copied from a god. And as for Sekiro, he perfectly replicates these moves just from going against them in battle, nbd.
In addition, Sekiro has impeccable memory. As for how this is important; he can recall with perfect accuracy his battles with extraordinary opponents, to the extent that he can rematch them as he likes with his mental landscape. He hones this trait to such an extent that he can even create stronger versions of previous opponents to further improve his skills against, using what he knows about them, and what they could logically learn to become even better. And this trait is so absurdly thorough in its analytical abilities that he can accurately recreate abilities, such as the Sakura Dance, that he's never seen in reality, and then can learn these via his mental rematch training.
In addition, Sekiro has impeccable memory. As for how this is important; he can recall with perfect accuracy his battles with extraordinary opponents, to the extent that he can rematch them as he likes with his mental landscape. He hones this trait to such an extent that he can even create stronger versions of previous opponents to further improve his skills against, using what he knows about them, and what they could logically learn to become even better. And this trait is so absurdly thorough in its analytical abilities that he can accurately recreate abilities, such as the Sakura Dance, that he's never seen in reality, and then can learn these via his mental rematch training.
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not in the slightest, Gut's inherently isn't one of the most skilled characters on this site. Also format your arguments better, utilizing paragraphs would be nice if you could.
Being an expert and being a master are two very different things.
neither one of them have showcased feats of Prediction, information Analysis and so on and so forth.
Breaking a sword is a direct feat of AP, it's literally cutting something in half. And it doesn't exactly speak magnitudes of his percsion, a sword moving in a linear direction and Griffith hasn't shown the ability to predict attacks before they happen, his Swordsmanship isn't very complex either. Gut's cutting apart logs is a feat of timing, which is again a good feat but in comparison to those who can read thousands of steps ahead (RoR Sasaki.) fending off those who are dozens of times faster than you (Ikki.) creating your own fighting style and copying and perfecting unique techniques (Zoro.) Musashi being able to cut without a sword (Baki.) and Fate's Musashi having infinite skill and surpassing humanity's skill. Gut's objectively doesn't compare to any of the above.
Again, this is a good feat, nobody is saying it isn't. But that's really not much, FTE isn't always born equal and there's nothing to say that Gut's was dealing with someone dozens of times faster than himself like with Ikki. And the axes swings aren't exactly what I'd call skilled either, it's being swung around randomly.
Which doesn't mean much in the context of Berserk, Gut's obviously hasn't surpassed the skill of humanity as a collective.
That's because Demons are a hell of a lot faster and stronger than Humans in Berserk. Also living for a vast amount of time doesn't directly translate into one's level of skill either, context matters in that case and in this case the Demons are both vastly stronger and faster than humans. Demons in Berserk aren't the most sophisticated nor do they put in lots of thinking before they attack, most of them are bloodlusted.
Again, a good feat but that's definitely a far cry from being one of the best swordsmen in the wiki. Fencing has inherent flaws, and is a lot less versatile than other forms of Swordsmanship. No slashing is involved, just thrusting which is very telegraphed.
Yeah no, calling utter bull-shit on Gut's having a place in verse like Baki where the characters often fight against other characters with several forms of Precognition and Prediction, Information Analysis and so on and so forth. Gut's is skilled but I'm not the only one on this thread who thinks your drastically overblowing his feats here.
He has some good feats of percsion but aside from that the dude is completely fodder in terms of Analysis, Prediction, Mimicry and such. None of his feats come close to being top 10 here, he was rejected for a position in the last skill thread several times and that one had more than 20 combatants.
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Edge Master and Olcadan
They are regarded as the best swordsmen of their world and of all time, with both of them having mastered all types of fighting styles (represented by them wielding the weapons of all characters in the game), having won countless battles and reaching a draw only while fighting each other.
These weapons include axes, hammers, whips, several types of swords (long swords, short swords, katanas, daggers..), staffs, batons, nunchaku and more.
Sora
He is an absolute master of the keyblade, who became extremely skilled over the course of his adventures. He has many sword techniques and related abilities (dashes, blocks, reflects, counters, uppercuts, spins, keyblade throws, can pierce defenses and more), is a master of grounded and aerial combos (has several ways to perform complex and extended combos and finishers, usually with combining them with acrobatic movements) and combines all of this with magic and spells, almost always casted through the keyblade.
With transfomations and power ups he can dual wield keyblades and access to additional styles and techniques, even summoning and controlling six swords with the Ultimate Form. Depending on the keychain, his keyblade can have a different length (and likely weight) and shapes and Sora naturally wields all of them.
With formchanges, his keyblade turn into a different weapon with different powers and abilities, with some of them being staff, spear, claws, hammer, shield, guns, drill, yo-yo, arm blades and such. Sora also learned to fight in the air (as he learned true flight), underwater (he took a sire-like form many times) and with the keyblade in his mouth in lion form. He can also perform several types of combined attacks with his allies.
Also, most of these things are self-taught and acquired through experience, as he had very little training under others.
In terms of experience Sora went through hell and back, has fought thousands upon thousands of different monsters like Heartless (he solo'd 1000 on them in an occasion), nobodies, unversed and assorted creatures, animals, robots and much more from many Disney worlds.
He has defeated many Disney villains multiple times, and did the same with original characters such as Ansem, Xemnas, Xehanort, the Organization XIII, the Lingering Will, Riku, Sephiroth and others, all masters of combat in their own field and wielding different weapons and magical abilities. I could probably go on with more stuff, but Sora's profile is incredibly well made and provides additional information.
They are regarded as the best swordsmen of their world and of all time, with both of them having mastered all types of fighting styles (represented by them wielding the weapons of all characters in the game), having won countless battles and reaching a draw only while fighting each other.
These weapons include axes, hammers, whips, several types of swords (long swords, short swords, katanas, daggers..), staffs, batons, nunchaku and more.
Sora
He is an absolute master of the keyblade, who became extremely skilled over the course of his adventures. He has many sword techniques and related abilities (dashes, blocks, reflects, counters, uppercuts, spins, keyblade throws, can pierce defenses and more), is a master of grounded and aerial combos (has several ways to perform complex and extended combos and finishers, usually with combining them with acrobatic movements) and combines all of this with magic and spells, almost always casted through the keyblade.
With transfomations and power ups he can dual wield keyblades and access to additional styles and techniques, even summoning and controlling six swords with the Ultimate Form. Depending on the keychain, his keyblade can have a different length (and likely weight) and shapes and Sora naturally wields all of them.
With formchanges, his keyblade turn into a different weapon with different powers and abilities, with some of them being staff, spear, claws, hammer, shield, guns, drill, yo-yo, arm blades and such. Sora also learned to fight in the air (as he learned true flight), underwater (he took a sire-like form many times) and with the keyblade in his mouth in lion form. He can also perform several types of combined attacks with his allies.
Also, most of these things are self-taught and acquired through experience, as he had very little training under others.
In terms of experience Sora went through hell and back, has fought thousands upon thousands of different monsters like Heartless (he solo'd 1000 on them in an occasion), nobodies, unversed and assorted creatures, animals, robots and much more from many Disney worlds.
He has defeated many Disney villains multiple times, and did the same with original characters such as Ansem, Xemnas, Xehanort, the Organization XIII, the Lingering Will, Riku, Sephiroth and others, all masters of combat in their own field and wielding different weapons and magical abilities. I could probably go on with more stuff, but Sora's profile is incredibly well made and provides additional information.
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I could, but I don't care to, and telling me to won't make me more likely to
Literally synonyms
Guts has Analytical Prediction
Except Griffith used the exact same move before to great effect against him, it's a deflection move, he's not holding up to him in a perpendicular manner and saying "hey break this bro it'll be cool as shit", also swords have differing durability depending on how and in what direction you damage them.
Griffith was doing a mental play-by-play beforehand of his duel with Guts, including knowing the exact consequences if his strike wasn't absolutely perfect. It's not on his page, between that and him accurately predicting the flow of various battles ahead of time and forming a strategy around it, he should have Analytical Prediction as well. Also fencing is one of the more complex styles of swordfighting.
Perhaps not dozens of times, but he has dealt with opponents considerably faster than himself, like Rosine
Guts created his own fighting style
Musashi cutting with his bare hands is impressive, but falls under unarmed martial arts, not swordsmanship. And his illusory katana technique seems to use his opponents' enhanced danger sense against them, replicating the strike of a katana so accurately even when empty-handed that they subconsciously register it as a hit from an actual blade.
I know it's random, and I say it's impressive cuz striking wildly and randomly isn't the sort of orderly proceeding that normal Analytical Prediction takes advantage of
Didn't say he did, but he has been said, and has more importantly shown that he out skills every human he fights when he's not fresh from having the shit beat out of him by a demon
But higher-end humans are still generally and consistently shown as able to tag and harm them, such as Judeau, Pippin, and Casca harming and killing Apostles during the Eclipse, and Guts and Griffith harming Zodd. And Zodd actually studies, he's shown repeatedly that he's not a "do as thou wilt" sorta Apostle, he takes pride in being a warrior and his mentality and actions suggests that he's been improving over the centuries, or at the very least looking for ways to do so
There's different forms of fencing, using different swords. Serpico was fencing with a saber, which involves several different slashes, parries, stabs, etc.
You seem a little upset
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I'm not telling you, I'm making a logical suggestion that you should preferably take. When you make a cluster reply like that it's a lot harder for users to navigate through. Simply use paragraphs, it's as simple as that.
Expert and Master aren't synonyms, literally where did you get that from? The words themselves are self fulfilling definitions. An expert is someone who excells greatly at a certain object, a master is someone who has complete control over something.
Not all Analytical Prediction are born equal and Gut's application is pretty lackluster. He doesn't read several attacks ahead of time and he doesn't predict shit that's unpredictable.
Doesn’t matter, breaking a sword is inherently something that correlates to one's strength. There isn't any skill in hitting something hard enough to make it break, and with the weight differences between the two blades the thinner and lighter one is obviously going to break. Comparing a 20 pound sword to a 300 pound sword isn't exactly bright.
Scans for this? Also no, fencing is not one of the more complex forms of sword fighting. The movement are swift but very, very linear in nature.
Which still isn't comparable to the guys on this list. Most of these guys react to shit that's several degrees of FTE.
He swings his sword around like a mad-man, that's a lot different than Musashi creating Nitoryu and Zoro with Santoryu. They make entirely new forms of sword combat that aren't inspired by any other form of swordplay.
BakiHanma18 can describe his ability better than I can but that's not right either from what I've been told.
Striking randomly is highly predictable, striking without literally thinking is what typically counters Analytical Prediction such as Formless from Kengan or Luffy's Gum Gum no Boh. The former lacks any form to predict and the latter turns off his mind to attack.
Not arguing against that, the way you formatted your last responde make it seem like you were insinuating Gut's has skill that surpasses humanity as a collective.
And look at what happened to them. They all were savagely killed, especially Pippin. Guts and Griffith are far from standard humans.
Zodd is cleary the outlier there, and even he doesn't go into fights with complex strategies.
There are 3 forms of fencing and none of them utilize bladed weapons. Serpico primarily used thrusting, his sword might have an edge but you can visually tell the sword isn't made for slashing in mind. It's primary use is to pierce. Parries are common in fencing.
And what makes you think that? Nothing i said there displays me being upset.
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I think Travis Touchdown at least deserves a spot here, though he's definitely not the best on site or anything. He's mostly built his own fighting style from mall-ordered videos and other shitty, indirect means, yet he's the most skilled person in the verse, a legendary assassin who gets attacked by people trying to become number one every day.
He's stomped Kimmy Howell, who has the ability to learn in a single day what would take normal people several years. Kimmy obsessively trained to defeat him for two years, likely with access to Travis' fights since they were televised, and despite this plus her accelerated development she couldn't hold a candle to him. Even in the first game he's able to easily kill hundreds of people in shorts periods of time, even if they try to swarm him all together. In fact, Travis is seen as a hero in his town, Santa Destroy, because he killed so many thugs that he single-handedly greatly lowered the crime rate. He's also fought a various array of weirdos with powers that could easily take him out, yet he always triumphed.
Travis' fighting style is quick and to-the-point, he doesn't have many fancy moves and simply focuses on rapidly finding a hole in his opponent's guard or making one, then immediately hitting them with a lethal blow, although he does have some really good footwork considering he's able to keep the pressure on an opponent while doing jumping flips between various hits of the combo. No More Heroes 3 isn't out yet but from gameplay videos he's shown great improvement from previous games, he's got several fancy attacks and he even seems to have some precog.
He's stomped Kimmy Howell, who has the ability to learn in a single day what would take normal people several years. Kimmy obsessively trained to defeat him for two years, likely with access to Travis' fights since they were televised, and despite this plus her accelerated development she couldn't hold a candle to him. Even in the first game he's able to easily kill hundreds of people in shorts periods of time, even if they try to swarm him all together. In fact, Travis is seen as a hero in his town, Santa Destroy, because he killed so many thugs that he single-handedly greatly lowered the crime rate. He's also fought a various array of weirdos with powers that could easily take him out, yet he always triumphed.
Travis' fighting style is quick and to-the-point, he doesn't have many fancy moves and simply focuses on rapidly finding a hole in his opponent's guard or making one, then immediately hitting them with a lethal blow, although he does have some really good footwork considering he's able to keep the pressure on an opponent while doing jumping flips between various hits of the combo. No More Heroes 3 isn't out yet but from gameplay videos he's shown great improvement from previous games, he's got several fancy attacks and he even seems to have some precog.
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Emprah (40k)
One of the greatest combatants in 40k unmatched even by his Primarch sons in terms of pure skill each of them each of them among the greatest combatants in 40k themselves.
One of the greatest combatants in 40k unmatched even by his Primarch sons in terms of pure skill each of them each of them among the greatest combatants in 40k themselves.
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While I think Guts is incredibly skilled, especially in a more tactical/battlefield sense, I agree with this.
Guts can qualify as one of the best battlefield tacticians around, and his swordsmanship is really good too. While it does seem he is mostly just brandishing the sword with no care, it has been shown that he can predict attacks from people with speed comparable to his, if not faster, coming from several different angles, and effectively parrying and slashing them up. Guts V.S. Count in Black Swordsman arc, for example.
But yeah, he really can't compare on the finer details against someone like Miyamoto or those Fate characters.
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