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From what I gathered... Hinata needs to say Disintegration, which will cause an attack to come out of her hands that needs to hit Reinhard. Problem: Rein's own analytical prediction will likely inform him of the nature of Hinata's attack or the general geis of it, his own instinctive reaction will kick in as well which will help him dodge the attack since speed is equal, his reactive power level will help him dodge any further disintegration attacks as once he has seen an attack once Rein can dodge it at greater speeds, there is also the detail that Rein's physiology has the specified ability to render magic-users unable to use mana from the atmosphere but that's likely a verse-specific thing, and speaking of verse-specific thing, Rein also has information analysis which might help him know Hianta's skills if they are equal to divine protection - unlikely, but it is still a thing to consider.So just so we get something clear. How many steps does it take for Hinata to win?
Well, since I did Specify the Dragon Sword Reid thing then I think he should start with it already in handReinhard also needs to swing his sword. If he doesn't start out with Reid drawn out, it also isn't granted that Hinata's Usurper can steal The Divine Protection of the Sword Saint to render him unable to draw the sword - so there is that to consider...
Franky and I did spoke briefly about it and yes Hinata can steal Divine BlessingsAlso, if it is fair for Hinata's Usurper to equal skills to Divine Protections, then, it should be fair for Reinhard's Information Analysis to equal Hinata's skills to Divine Protection to find out about them.
That's how skills work in slime, It is inscribed in the soul and it is unique to the particular individual too she still could steal it also the usurper allows her to copy the attack too.Fair Point
But now that I think about it Usurper wouldn't be able to affect Divine Blessings either. Divine Protections are blessings given to people at birth by the world, bestowed by Od Laguna.
Divine Protections are stated to remain with the individual from birth to death, and it is only possible to temporarily strip one of their Divine Protection by using a magic circle that isolates an area from Od Laguna.
Skills are granted by the voice of the world in the verse which is at least a low multi system rn and she was granted the skill that let her steal something that belongs to one individual.So while Usurper has feats of affecting skills inscribed on the soul, divine blessings are well blessings bestowed by a super natural existent god and remain as long as the person is connected with that God. Hinata wont be able to separate the connection between Reinhard and Od Laguna and nor does she implore magic circles in an IC sword fight.
Does this nullify Reid's attack?Magic Nullification (Her body will automatically disintegrate magicules, which nullifies any magic on her)
I... don't know. Tbh. I'm sort of the opinion that Reinhard's AoE Matter Hax Attack isn't magic, since it is stated numerous times Reinhard is unable to use magic, he just makes an F*&^-off AoE attack comes out of nowhere when he slashes with Reid, which is a weird constant whenever he uses the damn thing.Does this nullify Reid's attack?
Mathematician and Hinata's feats against Rimuru's Future Attack Prediction would aid in combating this, as her resistance reads as follows:From what I gathered... Hinata needs to say Disintegration, which will cause an attack to come out of her hands that needs to hit Reinhard. Problem: Rein's own analytical prediction will likely inform him of the nature of Hinata's attack or the general geis of it, his own instinctive reaction will kick in as well which will help him dodge the attack
He has it on his person but that doesn't necessitate it already being in his hand, it's equipment, not a separate key. But if that's what you intended with the OP I can't argue with it, just telling you how it works.Well, since I did Specify the Dragon Sword Reid thing then I think he should start with it already in hand
Okay, so... This just returns back to if Hinata saying disintegrate and aiming at Reinhard is faster or if Reinhard wordlessly swinging his sword is faster. This is essentially just a quick draw, which I personally believe, is on Reinhard's side since I've been told Usurper is Hinata's go-to first move.Mathematician and Hinata's feats against Rimuru's Future Attack Prediction would aid in combating this, as her resistance reads as follows:
"Analytical Prediction (Can fight Rimuru despite his Future Attack Prediction, which simulates every possibility of an attack and every attack landed by the user is destined to hit. Is stated to unleash unpredictable attacks),"
Hinata fra.
Addedhinata FRA
YeahOkay, so... This just returns back to if Hinata saying disintegrate and aiming at Reinhard is faster or if Reinhard wordlessly swinging his sword is faster. This is essentially just a quick draw, which I personally believe, is on Reinhard's side since I've been told Usurper is Hinata's go-to first move.
ADDED!!!!Hinata FRA.
NeinReinhard have resist to Information Manipulation type 2(Disintegration)?
Another key, becouse it also increases Reinhard's stats overall.It's not a key, it's just the power of the weapon, it can still be sheathed at the start of the match.
Both... Wait, so... is this an incon vote or are you just giving your two cents?
Nope, just a stronger weapon. Not listed as another key, even on the page itself.Another key, becouse it also increases Reinhard's stats overall.
Probably you are right in that one, but bare in mind that the swords increases his stats too, look at his striking strenght and Durability section.Nope, just a stronger weapon. Not listed as another key, even on the page itself.
So is this like Thor with his Hammer or smth? Like Reinhard/Thor get better stats when they wield their weapons? Also, btw, due to your arguments, I would like to switch my vote to incon FRAProbably you are right in that one, but bare in mind that the swords increases his stats too, look at his striking strenght and Durability section.
Also, the heavy hitters of Re:Zero are physically High 6-C die to being able to somehow compete with him while he weilding the sword.
It's just the sword who has the power, but also Reinhard while he has it.
Yes, did you seriously not see Reinhard's striking strenght and dura section??So is this like Thor with his Hammer or smth? Like Reinhard/Thor get better stats when they wield their weapons? Also, btw, due to your arguments, I would like to switch my vote to incon FRA
Again, Reinhard's stats are also boosted aswell.Again
Who you think Wins depend on one factor
Reinhard being able to at least swing Reid once and Hinata uttering the phrase "Disintegration"
Who can do what first?
That isn't what the page says, it's indicating that the stats of the sword are that, not himself.What stops Reinhard while weilding the sword, from sending an Air pressure from his fist, or simply kicking the ground? that's what I mean.
YeahThat isn't what the page says, it's indicating that the stats of the sword are that, not himself.
To further this, the P&A lists Statistics Amplification for specific blessings, but nothing about Reid. All of the High 6-C statistics are Reid's.
Striking Strength entails the blade, yes. Durability entails the blade is strong enough to withstand it hitting things, yes.Look at his striking strenght and Durability section.........while he weilding the sword.
It's about clearing up the discrepancy that Reinhard isn't actually getting any stat increases himself, unlike Cap with Mjolnir. It's misleading and is relevant enough to talk about lest it come up in the future.FantaRin_The_First said:Does this matter, tbh? Thread Maker already stated that Reid is out and Reinhard is wielding it.
Yeah and his own stats increase aswell with the swordStriking Strength entails the blade, yes. Durability entails the blade is strong enough to withstand it hitting things, yes.
It increases his stats aswell.about clearing up the discrepancy that Reinhard isn't actually getting any stat increases himself, unlike Cap with Mjolnir. It's misleading and is relevant enough to talk about lest it come up in the future.
Yes, the Striking Strength is referring to the sword Reid striking with that strength, not Reinhard. A sword can cut something higher than what the user can and it still be striking strength, it doesn't have to entail punches.If it was just the dura of the sword, it wouldn't be listed in the striking strenght
That would be written on the page then, which it isn't. Not even where you'd want it to be.It increases his stats aswell.
"Can be" is not a yes, it's a maybe. That's not confirmation.Even Pegasus stated that that can be the case.
Let me put this as blunt as I can.Not being rude, but if you don't really have greater knowledge on the verse, don't talk about things that you don't know well.