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Ara Ara Mother vs Smiling Kid (Raikou vs Luck Voltia)

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First key Raikou and third key Luck with Ultimate Magic restricted, 50 meters apart, speed equal, in Konoha (don't ask me why, I just suddenly thought in use it, maybe if a better scenery is proposed I can change it).

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Bruh i literally wanted to make Black Clover vs Raikou match, you beat me on it 😂
I'm gonna tell the true, I originally wanted to do a Raikou vs Ulquiorra from months ago, that was the reason of the upgrade to Raikou, but the match seem impossible to do, so after thinking I suddenly thought in Voltia and since there are some things in common between the two it's a battle thematic enough for me to do.
 
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Well then, i'm gonna switch to Saber Astolfo for my next Black Clover matches
Ok, but before that give some thoughts about this match please, since Fate is popular and various know about it I as op want to participate the less possible, anyway my thoughts about Raikou in general were said in others fights so one can find some info in them.
 

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True Magic can one shot characters scaling far above 169.7 Gigatons, Ultimate Magic is even higher than that

Maybe she could block it with attacks, but if she gets hit, it's curtains.
 
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True Magic can one shot characters scaling far above 169.7 Gigatons, Ultimate Magic is even higher than that

Maybe she could block it with attacks, but if she gets hit, it's curtains.
Hmm, she in base scale a lot above the 26.6 GT of base servants (servants with Rank D are 26.6GT) used currently as someone with Rank A strength (her endurance is a bit less as Rank B) she practically one-shot servants with Rank D, because Luck is mystical Mystic Killer is active and with it she can overwhelm other mystical characters with Rank A, Mana Burst A is another big buff to all her stats, so she is probably above 100 GT, though I can't say a exact number, the copies of her NP are also buffed by the weapons each of them have and the final blow of her NP reach 3 Teratons, because she have the blood of Indra her resistance to lightning is also great, scaling above Kintoki who is the son of the god of thunder and use a weapon with the power of the thunder god, and the Magic Resistance of Raikou also would protect of the attacks of Luck. So in general she shouldn't be one-shoted, more considering her senses and skill.
 
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Actually, I’m going to rephrase my comment.

Luck in Base is capable of blitzing other FTL opponents, Svenkinn’s skin armor outpaces even that. After seconds of fighting, Luck surpasses even that. Ceranos not only exceeds that, but one-shots Svenkinn. For context, Svenkinn is the same person who can reduce Luck to a bloody mess in two hits. With Ultimate Magic, Luck becomes magic itself and blitzes and one-shots 5 separate Mid-Ranked Devils.

I see no reason why Luck doesn’t go Lightning Battle Fiend (which he starts with), and blitzes Raikou several times over, with AP several times over.
 
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So his tactict is basically blitzing the opponent? I see

As for AP it doesn't matter, Raikou can amp her AP with Mana Burst and Mystery Killer (as Luck seems to be qualified as mystery here) to catch up the AP gap
 
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So his tactict is basically blitzing the opponent? I see

As for AP it doesn't matter, Raikou can amp her AP with Mana Burst and Mystery Killer (as Luck seems to be qualified as mystery here) to catch up the AP gap
Doesn’t get the chance to, Luck thinks and there’s a hole where her everything used to be.
 
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As a note Mystery Killer and Mana Burst also amp her dura and speed (Mystery Killer is passive), I just forgot to add that when doing the changes from both of them, and again, she resist ligthning to a great extent and Magic Resistance is something to add above that, so no, I don't think Luck one shot, even less with her senses and skill.
 
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As a note Mystery Killer and Mana Burst also amp her dura and speed (Mystery Killer is passive),
Unless it can amp her to the point that she can keep up with someone who can blitz his own speed previous times over, it doesn’t matter. Same with durability. Keep in mind, Luck is able to adapt to the speed of someone who could previously blitz him.


she resist ligthning to a great extent and Magic Resistance is something to add above that, so no, I don't think Luck one shot,
Doesn’t matter too much either, Svenkinn’s skin resisted Luck’s magic before he adapted and got stronger in seconds. Take that with his strongest form, it frankly doesn’t matter.


even less with her senses and skill.
Senses won’t do anything here, Svenkinn’s skin automatically protected him and was faster than his nuerons, and Luck outpaced that. Her skill won’t mean too much considering his danmaku, flight, etc.
 
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Can she really amp her Dura to Luck's AP? Because she doesn't even have Large Island level dura in her profile
 
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Unless it can amp her to the point that she can keep up with someone who can blitz his own speed previous times over, it doesn’t matter. Same with durability. Keep in mind, Luck is able to adapt to the speed of someone who could previously blitz him.
Raikou have the same Agility Rank D than Salter who faced a Medusa which with Rank B can easily run in circles around Salter and attack her from all directions, now the interesting thing is that Raikou have faced five enemies at the same time and two of them had Rank A+ in Agility, she stomped all of them really hard with the buffs, so yes, she keep up with someone that speedblitz her.
Doesn’t matter too much either, Svenkinn’s skin resisted Luck’s magic before he adapted and got stronger in seconds. Take that with his strongest form, it frankly doesn’t matter.
Magic Resistance is like a power null on top of the absurd resistance to ligthning as son of Indra, so I don't know if he can adapt to that in seconds.
Senses won’t do anything here, Svenkinn’s skin automatically protected him and was faster than his nuerons, and Luck outpaced that. Her skill won’t mean too much considering his danmaku, flight, etc.
Sense can help because she can dodge, redirect or counterattack. Danmaku or flight isn't something new to servants, Lancelot for example faced the danmaku of Gil with same level of skill.
 
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Can she really amp her Dura to Luck's AP? Because she doesn't even have Large Island level dura in her profile
They are buff to all her stats, I just was dumb and forgot to add the changes to the other things when doing the changes to the profile after the previous crt, her dura is a bit below her ap but her resistances compensate.
 

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Svenkin's magic adapts to the opponent's to neutralize it. That didn't stop Luck for One shooting him with ceranos
 
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Raikou have the same Agility Rank D than Salter who faced a Medusa which with Rank B can easily run in circles around Salter and attack her from all directions, now the interesting thing is that Raikou have faced five enemies at the same time and two of them had Rank A+ in Agility, she stomped all of them really hard with the buffs, so yes, she keep up with someone that speedblitz her.
I really do not think you are getting the sheer discrepancy in speed.

Ultimate Magic > Mid-Ranked Devils > Ceranos > Luck after seconds of fighting > Svenkinn’s skin reaction > Luck > Svenkinn > FTL. This is not including how Luck gets faster as he fights.

Magic Resistance is like a power null on top of the absurd resistance to ligthning as son of Indra, so I don't know if he can adapt to that in seconds.
He can, he’s dealt with it before, this is no different. Svenkinn adapted to Luck’s magic to the point where neither punch nor blast could do anything.
Sense can help because she can dodge, redirect or counterattack. Danmaku or flight isn't something new to servants, Lancelot for example faced the danmaku of Gil with same level of skill.
She isn’t sensing anything from him, he’s far faster than her. She has no way of dealing with his flight, and his danmaku is huge, 1:32.
 

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did i miss the trend whats with all the raikou matches lately
svekin skin isn't power null it just hardens or soften skins automatically, whats your definition of adapt? luck just pierced through it with sheer ap.
 
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I really do not think you are getting the sheer discrepancy in speed.

Ultimate Magic > Mid-Ranked Devils > Ceranos > Luck after seconds of fighting > Svenkinn’s skin reaction > Luck > Svenkinn > FTL. This is not including how Luck gets faster as he fights.
I don't really get why you say FTL when speed equal, I also don't see the profile of Svenkinn to know how is the dude, I also don't see mention of Ceranos in the profile to know what is that thing, but well, if your happy then Ultimate Magic is restricted, better?
He can, he’s dealt with it before, this is no different. Svenkinn adapted to Luck’s magic to the point where neither punch nor blast could do anything.
Good to know, so is a sort of inferior version of Heracles.
She isn’t sensing anything from him, he’s far faster than her. She has no way of dealing with his flight, and his danmaku is huge, 1:32.
No even one of that damn things was even near to graze the dude.
 
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did i miss the trend whats with all the raikou matches lately
svekin skin isn't power null it just hardens or soften skins automatically, whats your definition of adapt? luck just pierced through it with sheer ap.
Thanks to explain how the skin of Svekin work, if thats the case then I don't see how it can compare with Magic Resistance that is a power null.
 
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I don't really get why you say FTL when speed equal, I also don't see the profile of Svenkinn to know how is the dude, I also don't see mention of Ceranos in the profile to know what is that thing, but well, if your happy then Ultimate Magic is restricted, better?
Speed equal doesn’t matter, if they’re both FTL, and Luck blitzes FTL people, then Luck blitzes. Ceranos is True Magic. Why are you restricting it if you’re so certain Raikou can take it?


No even one of that damn things was even near to graze the dude.
Because he dodged?
 
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Speed equal doesn’t matter, if they’re both FTL, and Luck blitzes FTL people, then Luck blitzes. Ceranos is True Magic. Why are you restricting it if you’re so certain Raikou can take it?
Luck blitzes because he can amp his speed more than the enemy, like any character with big enough speed amp, FTL don't matter. And I mention restricting it because you are so certain that it would be a absolute speedblitzes with it.
Because he dodged?
The video showed the dude just falling, don't moving to the sides or anything like that.
 

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Luck RPL does make speed equal matches moot tho, through battle he'll get faster till he can eventually blitz you.
 
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Because luck could be 10x light speed and blitzes a 1.1x light speed... Why would speed equal not matter
What does that mean...????


Couldn't ara ara girl dodge as well? Seems like danmaku is slower than luck.
Not really, that was a weakened Luck vs full power Vetto.


Luck blitzes because he can amp his speed more than the enemy, like any character with big enough speed amp, FTL don't matter. And I mention restricting it because you are so certain that it would be a absolute speedblitzes with it.
He has multiple amps that allow him to blitz people comparable in seconds. You were certain that Raikou would survive and dodge, so. If not, that’s fine, he still has Ceranos & his RPL.

The video showed the dude just falling, don't moving to the sides or anything like that.
He dodged first & fell.
 
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Luck RPL does make speed equal matches moot tho, through battle he'll get faster till he can eventually blitz you.
Raikou have her owns speed amps to compensate and although I also think he would be faster, she is accustomed to fight people much faster than herself and she can always nuke everything with her NP.
 

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Can't Luck simply dodge it? Especially with the speed difference

And lol at Ceranos not being good when it should One-Shot if it connects
 
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so.. what is being restricted exactly?
In principle I thought in nothing but since Milly insist that Luck absolutely blitz then I was thinking in restrict the Ultimate Magic that it's his biggest buff, another possibility I thought is to change it to second key and restrict the NP of Raikou.
 
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did i miss the trend whats with all the raikou matches lately
svekin skin isn't power null it just hardens or soften skins automatically, whats your definition of adapt? luck just pierced through it with sheer ap.
Started from me because i'm motivated (and my instinct for match-making is awakened once again so yeah)
 

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D rank magic resist ok..
Mystery killer amp against magic user
mana burst a temp speed amp (lightning?)
the amps are so vague all i know is its above baseline, is thr a scaling chain for stuff like this?
 
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D rank magic resist ok..
Mystery killer amp against magic user
mana burst a temp speed amp (lightning?)
the amps are so vague all i know is its above baseline, is thr a scaling chain for stuff like this?
Magic Resistance Rank D cancel spells under certain level, it's above the Magic Resistance Rank E that reduce the magic damage and that at the same time is above the basic resistance that all servants have that reject the magical energy instead of spells themselves which at the same time is above the resistance of humans.

Mystery Killer is a passive buff against mystic beings that increase all the parameters against those under the category of the skill, with it she overwhelm in strength someone with also Rank A strength, divinity and even her own type of Mana Burst (sort of). Siegfried have a skill similiar but with dragons, with it he can defy dragons even if they are much above him.

Mana Burst is a buff to all her stats, a character with Mana Burst A from her dragon blood like Mordred can transform her NP Rank C in Rank A+ and equal the NP of Siegfried, even surppass it by a bit under certain conditions. Artoria Alter with Mana Burst A can kill pretty hard Heracles who was treated during all the war like a beast to not face. The Mana Burst of Raikou come from her divine blood, so it's more comparable to the Mana Burst of Karna (they even are the same Rank A), with it Karna one-shot normal servants, with it and her armor Karna can withstand the Balmung of Siegfried, also because it come from his blood as son of the sun the damage he take from fire is minimal and even other sun related servants with divinity can't do much damage against him unless they have a rank more or less comparable to him.

I think this descriptions work like a sort of scaling chain?
 
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Which aren't that good...
If you are gonna be the guy who disregard other opinions without logic behind your claims, stop commenting
Oh no... It's the black clover guy/girl 😱
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I could say the same with you in any One Piece Thread
So? He's only lightning speed in that form🤭
Keep trolling then


About the match, I only want to ask about this: "Due to being a peerless swordmaster in life, her fighting style is less suited for taking on an equally skilled foe in one-on-one combat."

I know that all servants are like super skillfull, but I don´t understand how she has this weakness that could make Luck take the win when he is an expert in one-on-one combat, the same guy that was asking even his captain to "fight to death"

I don´t want to vote because I don´t know anything about raikou and Luck is a speed blitz machine
 
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About the match, I only want to ask about this: "Due to being a peerless swordmaster in life, her fighting style is less suited for taking on an equally skilled foe in one-on-one combat."

I know that all servants are like super skillfull, but I don´t understand how she has this weakness that could make Luck take the win when he is an expert in one-on-one combat, the same guy that was asking even his captain to "fight to death"
Her level of skill is equal to Lancelot, the dude that literally can figth at super master level with anything he touch at first time, Raikou herself just picked a random yoyo for the first time and instantly used it a master level to the point to figth and even defeat others servants with a yoyo (her summer/lancer version figth mainly with the yoyo). The girl who said that to Raikou it's a chick that perfected the skill to cut karma in her figth against her and later the same day iirc reached infinite speed via pure skill, the other two that surppassed Raikou in the same place were other two guys that also reached infinite speed with skill, and even with that Musashi had a hard figth with Raikou.

So indeed you can say that she have that weaness, but realistically in most situations it will never show up, not even against the guy that can copy any style or the horse that can figth perfectly in any situation even if is a environment he had never experienced.
 
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Sasaki vs Raikou might be interesting. I personally think Sasaki is way more skilled than Lancelot
 
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Sasaki vs Raikou might be interesting. I personally think Sasaki is way more skilled than Lancelot
If normal servant Sasaki is used then maybe a match can be done. Sasaki is more skilled than Lancelot, by far, now if Lancelot can win against him as normal servant in certain situations is another matter (sort of how Artoria defeated Sasaki).
 

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If normal servant Sasaki is used then maybe a match can be done. Sasaki is more skilled than Lancelot, by far, now if Lancelot can win against him as normal servant in certain situations is another matter (sort of how Artoria defeated Sasaki).
Well Artoria mostly won because she had already seen Sasaki's Tsubame Gaeshi beforehand and also her instinct helped
 
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Well Artoria mostly won because she had already seen Sasaki's Tsubame Gaeshi beforehand and also her instinct helped
That's the reason as to why I said in certain situations, also don't forget the nerf because of the ground.
 

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If you are gonna be the guy who disregard other opinions without logic behind your claims, stop commenting
That Monkey. And I did...
He doesn't spam it and it goes one direction...
I could say the same with you in any One Piece Thread
No... I'm not biased (kinda) but that guy is... Alot.
Keep trolling then
Why mad? 🤔
I know that all servants are like super skillfull, but I don´t understand how she has this weakness that could make Luck take the win when he is an expert in one-on-one combat
Expert 😂... Even if both we're master swordsmen one of them could still skill stomp each other... It depends on how good that swords master is...
 

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I think Luck is more likely going to one shot with Ultimate Magic before Raikou uses NP. My vote goes to Luck
 

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Then Monkey vote should be removed as he just messing around
I'm waiting for fate supporters to defend her... If they can't I'll switch to Luck.
Thinking Monkey trolling are a little bit annoying to say
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"I'm not biased, but that guy is a lot"

- most biased guy I've seen
How? Never been baised with versus matches (I said kinda because I like One Piece more than others shows but I'll never be biased to make a character win or lie how strong they are). I only pick the one who wins... actually wins.
 
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Honestly this is a really bad match-up because Luck can just blitz blitz and blitz, what so interesting about it?

Change it to Asta or Yami would be thematic instead this boring blitzer boi
 
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I'm thought in change it to the second key of Luck (or made later apart a match with the second key from the beginning) and if needed make it that he begin with Thunder God Armor already in use so speed is really equal (though don't know if that last part is needed). I do it?
 

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Motherf***er, is there any BC chars that aren't busted and aren't resolving "muh blitz"?
I'm trying to think but all the others High 6-Cs are worse than Luck (not on the speed amp side but hax)

The only characters I can think of is Mereoleona (If Raikou can resist her heat that is) and Noelle, who's nearly haxless so it wouldn't be a fun fight
 
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I'm trying to think but all the others High 6-Cs are worse than Luck (not on the speed amp side but hax)

The only characters I can think of is Mereoleona (If Raikou can resist her heat that is) and Noelle, who's nearly haxless so it wouldn't be a fun fight
Mereoleona heat get resisted thanks for the servant physiology, also Raikou is 6-C btw
 

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Honestly this is a really bad match-up because Luck can just blitz blitz and blitz, what so interesting about it?

Change it to Asta or Yami would be thematic instead this boring blitzer boi
They don't have crazy speed amps like Luck but Yami starts with Dimension Slash, which is Dura neg GG. And I wouldn't suggest Asta against characters that rely too much on magic
 
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They don't have crazy speed amps like Luck but Yami starts with Dimension Slash, which is Dura neg GG. And I wouldn't suggest Asta against characters that rely too much on magic
Yeah, these two might be not a good opponent for Raikou, but as for Yami maybe against a more broken servants will be much better (Achilles maybe? His invul would'nt work against Dimensional Slash)

Also i answered your doubt on Mereoleona above
 
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Even worse, AOEs that spawn on you, passive molecular disintegration, IR+Precog, RPL comparable to Asta, etc...
They don't have crazy speed amps like Luck but Yami starts with Dimension Slash, which is Dura neg GG. And I wouldn't suggest Asta against characters that rely too much on magic
Many servants also have durability negation (and dura neg with spatial magic would be resisted by servants with Magic Resistance Rank D or above), precog, IR (even Raikou should have it but that's something more to add for many servants in other crt), so that type of things aren't unknown to servants, less to servants like Raikou.

And Asta I honestly don't think would be able to negate the magic of most casters of fate, not that matter because Raikou don't use magic.

With Yami I didn't thought in make a match but with Asta yes.
 
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