About Eternity Manipulation

[Andykhang]

Since they prevent all change to happen once activate, could they resist basically everything, just by applying Eternity to themselves, effectively make them immune to all kind of change?

If so, what kind of resistance could they have in Touhou, or is it another case of Fantasy Heaven, where we literally have too much? Want to add that as a note

 

[Antvasima]

You can use the Touhou verse page to find people to ask to comment here.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

We know this ability can make an object immune to damage, but not much more that we know.

 

[Andykhang]

Well, I does found a good benchmark though: Anything she can eternity freeze, she also can prevent it from harming her body and resist it...Though that still doesn't let us closer to what extend she could do.

 

[Promestein]

Saikou's right. We don't know to what extent this ability can be used.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

It kinda reminds me of Giorno's GER but on a higher level. Resetting things to 0 no matter what. Preserving the status quo.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we close this thread?

 

[Elizhaa]

Seems like Causality Manipulation

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Seems like Causality Manipulation

Yeah, causality manipulation seems fine

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Nah.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

I don't think this is the same as Causality. Eternity Manipulation is an ability in of itself.

Not only is it more about rejecting change but it has an absolution effect on change.

At best you can call Causality a sister to this ability since its effect is basically against Causality.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's more an extremely specific form of causality manipulation

 

[The_Causality]

I bump this thread since people still use the arguments that it was accepted to be Causality Manipulation Absolutly not in any case

I agree with the shitty king, it's not Causality Manipulation, it's just Manipulate Eternity, it's an unique ability, no need to try to found other ability to link.

 

[Elizhaa]

Yeah eternity manip seems to be it's own thing not really causality manip

It's weaker than Causality Manipulation and this is what matters in vs thread

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Seems like a limited form of causality manipulation honestly

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"It's weaker than causality manipulation"

Because hax types have power levels now...?

 

[Paul_Frank]

It's weaker than Causality Manipulation and this is what matters in vs thread

Actually it's not

If eternity manip is its own thing and not considered causality manip then those with resistance to causality manip still won't resist eternity manip

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's either

• A weird form of Conceptual Manipulation

Or

• A weird form of Causality Manipulation

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Or it's neither and you need to stop relying on power classifications so much all the time Zach.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Eh

I doubt it's unclassifiable

Conceptual Manipulation seems best honestly

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No it doesn't.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well, at the very least, it shouldn't be linked to time manipulation on the pages

 

[Paul_Frank]

You know it could just be eternity manip it doesn't have to be shoved into another class of powers

 

[Cueio_2020]

Bump, I agree with Saikou.

 

[Elizhaa]

Eh
I doubt it's unclassifiable

Conceptual Manipulation seems best honestly

Nope, it is no way near it at all.

 

[Elizhaa]

Cueio 2020, I do wonder why you delete your message. It does seems inacurrate.

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Depending how is applied Eternity Manip can be used as causality manip, compare the fifth and sixth part of Kaguya's eternity manip, with the ability of eat and create history of Keine. Eternity manip was also used to create the Hourai Elixir

Edited by Cueio 2020

Eternity Manipulation at best limited Causality Manipulation.

 

[Kaltias]

Since i'm an ignorant fool knowing nothing about 2hu, what are the mechanics of eternity manipulation?

Like, what it does, how it does it etc

 

[Cueio_2020]

I was referirng to this 'The exact application of this power varies on the scale and on what it is applied to'.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It just makes stuff eternal in some way or another.

Make an object eternal: It can't be harmed in any way anymore.

Make a place eternal: Stuff in it can't grow old anymore, such as plants not growing or water not flowing anymore, although people can keep moving and live in it normally.

Make a situation eternal: She used her ability to make Eientei (her mansion)'s lack of history eternal. Like above, people could keep moving and living in it normally, but since its lack of history was made eternal, no one could discover it and write it down in history, making it a secret.

 

[Cueio_2020]

Question. How big is the participation of the eternity manip on the Hourai Elixir? It was stated that Eirin couldn't create it without Kaguya's help.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It's unknown. Hence why we shouldn't try and extrapolate on this to buff either the Elixir or Kaguya's powers.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Eh


It shouldn't be linked to time manipulation on the pages

It should just be explained how it works without linking to a power

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It shouldn't indeed.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So who linked it to time manipulation?

 

[Elizhaa]

Honestly, I rather it is linked under Causality Manipulation since it can manipulate history to some extent which a Causality Manipulation's feat and it saves a lot explaining.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It can't tho

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, if it is any ability we have a page on, it's causality manipulation

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, if it is any ability we have a page on, it's causality manipulation

 

[Cueio_2020]

Why repeat? I'am not deaf.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Pwwwwease can it be Causality Manipulation Saikou-Sama?