Thanks for opening the thread. the argument I have is regarding spell cards which are rated the same concept hax type 1 for being created by a Concept Type 1
Names being Type 2 or Type 1 is irrelevant to it
True but only God's gave name to something that governs reality as a whole. and people naming God's is only affecting an aspect of those Gods and such making them only express those aspect they got named on. A Few cases like Yukari for being able to control boundary would only actually fall under Type 1 or 2 for Concept hax due to the extent of what her boundary covers and can do. Others like Cirno (I Like Cirno) do not exhibit nor is shown capable of making name for such a concept that would govern an entire reality at best it is personal concept born from their powers.
To start, the power to name, in
any context,
is the same power as the gods. That is directly stated; When you name something, you're doing the same thing the gods did at the beginning of reality. So if you accept that names in that context are type 1, then all other names are type 1 too.
You seem to keep ignoring that gods are ideas that exist across reality. To name a god, and therefore change its nature, is to change an idea across reality. That is explicitly type 1 or 2, and yes,
regular people can do this as well.
I can use Fire because the concept of fire make it exist and governs it but that doesn't mean i can concept hax fire to either make an equivalent concept.
What I'm pointing with this is that despite the capabiltiy of what naming can entail not everyone is capable of using it to an extent that would qualify the concept they created from it to Type 2 let alone 1.
Yes, that's what makes it limited. These characters can't destroy concepts, only create new ones are replace existing ones. That doesn't change the nature of the concept they're manipulating though.
Exactly they are making those concepts but those concept doesn't automatically default to Type 1 just because it is created by Type 1 concept. Although the Type 1 concept have feats of creating another Type 1 concept (Like Boundary like you argued as much as i disagree with that) that doesn't mean everything it creates is a Type 1 Concept.
Some universal Concept named by it can be dependent like existence and nonexistence like you said
and some beings in gensokyo can make concept using name to make Personal Concept or personal attack that doesn't necessary govern reality but rather creates the Powers of Spellcard they wanted to make to create those special moves.
If you are bestowing a type 1 concept on something,
even if that thing is a type 3 concept, that is still type 1 CM. If they didn't have type 1 CM, they would be wholly unable to give names to
anything. Furthermore, it is not taking a pre-existing concept and applying it to something else. None of the names these characters create exist before they, well, create them. They are clearly creating new concepts on a whim, and while the extent of that creation is somewhat limited, it is still creating a type 1 concept. It is very possible to have type 1 concepts govern a small AoE.
Anyways, this is just a rehash of old bullshit. I'm asking for this to be closed.
