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6-C Tournament: "Journey Through The Ride of Mystery and Supernatural Power" Round 3 - Match 4: Sion Eltnam Atlasia vs Nacht Faust

ALTERNATE TITLE: NOT A DEVIL....BUT NOT A HUMAN NEITHER​


At long last, they were finally faced each others
The Vice-Captain of Black Bull and the Former Magus of Atlas Academy
Both granted by an excellent talents, both were also contained by the power of "evil and darkness"
However, only Nacht that has shown a complete control over it while Sion struggled to balanced her power
Right now she's not in her corrupted state but for how long? We are not sure
As for now, Nacht would do what he must here: To Kill
Can he successed? Or it would be Sion instead with her abilities and talent as the top magus?

  • Base Sion is used
  • Devil Unions Equus and Canis are restricted
  • Speed are equalized
  • Both are in-characters
  • Place located in: Empty Road of Tokyo City
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  • Starting Range: 10 Meters
  • Win via anything!!
  • Vice-Captain of Black Bull: 8
  • Former Magus of Atlas: 5
  • Inconclusive: 0

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  • GRAND BATTLE THEME 1: DRINK IT DOWN​

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  • GRAND BATTLE THEME 2: TIME IS DEAD
 
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Btw, I haven't voted for Sion yet. I voted Nacht initially but that wasn't my final vote. As of now, I'm neutral after hearing more arguments for Sion. I've just mainly been trying to clear up stuff on her side
 
Violatas said:
I've just mainly been trying to clear up stuff on her side
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Yeah, I am reading rn. I made an argument a while back about Sion needing information on her opponents to be as good as she is now.

Rn I'm at where she fought Acureid (idk if thats the spelling) and she admitted she needs to prepare adequately before any fight.

Since she has no knowledge on Nacht, isnt Memory of Partition somewhat useless here? Won't there be too many variables in her calculations? How is she going to predict someone she has never met before, she has not experienced anyone like him. Would she even act reckless and jump into the fight without knowing what Nacht has to offer? I think its a serious case of headcanon for people to be making an argument that she can predict anything.

Also the story is quite interesting so far.
 
Also, i'm going to focusing on the winners bracket until one of the chars reached the grand final and after that we're going to focusing on the losers bracket
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Yeah, I am reading rn. I made an argument a while back about Sion needing information on her opponents to be as good as she is now.

Rn I'm at where she fought Acureid (idk if thats the spelling) and she admitted she needs to prepare adequately before any fight.

Since she has no knowledge on Nacht, isnt Memory of Partition somewhat useless here? Won't there be too many variables in her calculations? How is she going to predict someone she has never met before, she has not experienced anyone like him. Would she even act reckless and jump into the fight without knowing what Nacht has to offer? I think its a serious case of headcanon for people to be making an argument that she can predict anything.

Also the story is quite interesting so far.
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the information is referring to what she gets from etherlite if i remember correctly. of course prep would make her better since it's prep, but she does fine in cold engagements. her two fights against Wallachia had no prep involved considering she entered his territory. she did ok in the first one and better in the second one.
 
CrystalValley said:
the information is referring to what she gets from etherlite if i remember correctly.
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Yes but not entirely. She prioritizes getting information before a fight, according to her, before the fight so she can calculate her chances of winning. She can also get info with her etherlite but I guess that's during a fight? havent seen that yet or for stuff like watching Shiki's thoughts lol.

In fact she doesnt even lack knowledge on the enemies she faces (so far at least). The dead apostles, she already has a rough estimate of how strong they are. She didnt even fight Tatari, she deduced the chances of winning by watching Shiki fight her.

CrystalValley said:
of course prep would make her better since it's prep, but she does fine in cold engagements. her two fights against Wallachia had no prep involved considering she entered his territory. she did ok in the first one and better in the second one.
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I know she does fine, but in cold engagements, wouldn't she have to assess her opponent's move set first? She is very knowledgeable about vampires anyway so it shouldnt be too hard.

Also, it seems like she knows who Wallachia is in great detail, I am currently reading a backstory. So sis Wallachia surprise her? and yeah she will do better the second time after the first encounter. Are there any other fights she goes in head first? Her motto is never doing that afterall as an Alchemist or something.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Yes but not entirely. She prioritizes getting information before a fight, according to her, before the fight so she can calculate her chances of winning. She can also get info with her etherlite but I guess that's during a fight? havent seen that yet or for stuff like watching Shiki's thoughts lol.

In fact she doesnt even lack knowledge on the enemies she faces (so far at least). The dead apostles, she already has a rough estimate of how strong they are. She didnt even fight Tatari, she deduced the chances of winning by watching Shiki fight her.




I know she does fine, but in cold engagements, wouldn't she have to assess her opponent's move set first? She is very knowledgeable about vampires anyway so it shouldnt be too hard.

Also, it seems like she knows who Wallachia is in great detail, I am currently reading a backstory. So sis Wallachia surprise her? and yeah she will do better the second time after the first encounter. Are there any other fights she goes in head first? Her motto is never doing that afterall as an Alchemist or something.
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yeah, she can get info with etherlite. of course extra prep before a fight is always a smart move, so it makes sense.

she knows Wallachia, but she never fought him before. she was surprised by what he could do but did well, considering he's just Sion but better. keep in mind that pretty much everyone she fights in Melty Blood are significantly above her in more than just one area.
@Veloxt1r0kore i actually think the opposition has made good arguments too. i'm just leaning a bit with Sion currently.
 
Violatas said:
I mean that's clearly just self doubt on her end. You're at the Wallachia part now though so you're about to see her overcome this part of her very soon
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Well Its not really self doubt, its her character. They keep referencing that fact. Sion just loves to have information on others before a fight.

By the way, she was getting slammed by Wallachia hope I got the spelling right. She got some hope because Arcueid's intelligence in that form intruded on Wallachia's superior intellect. At least that's what I translated that scan to be. So she was able to land a hit, before getting slammed again.

Why didn't she use her hax against Shiki? I can dismiss that as her being a vampire but why didn't she use it against Wallachia when she had the chance?

It seems like im almost done, I have a feeling its more than just 32 chapters.


Edit: Looll i spoke too soon, She gained the upper hand because they were fighting in a castle she is too familiar about. She has too much info on Wallachia's arcueid form and the battle feild. She will definitely win that fight. @CrystalValley. Also had help from Shiki's death preception in the end but thats fine.
 
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I would read of play her game/whatever it is because at least is not Fate

But is the lowest priority in my list of things to do, because even if is not fate, It looks like Fate and a lot of people over the years destroy my enthusiasm about the series

For that reason I am not here defending or debating, because at the end I will remember the bad things and feel like shit
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
I would read of play her game/whatever it is because at least is not Fate

But is the lowest priority in my list of things to do, because even if is not fate, It looks like Fate and a lot of people over the years destroy my enthusiasm about the series

For that reason I am not here defending or debating, because at the end I will remember the bad things and feel like shit
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Tsukihime and Melty Blood couldn't be any further from being similar to Fate at all in any regard. and it was around before Fate even existed. the Tsukihme Remake canon is garbage though and just feels like another pretentious Fate series. the original stuff is good though. in terms of people ruining Fate for you, you seem to be talking about a fan base issue. OG Tsukihime fan base tends to dislike Fate and its fan base so they can be on opposite sides too, though of course not all the time. but they generally aren't too similar from my experience.
Arnoldstone18 said:
Yeah she may be fighting those above her but could it be that its because of a chance of victory? She mentions her ideology as an alchemist again. I just got to the part where they meet Wallachia
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Sion had a plan in terms of knowing a means to potentially kill him, since killing him is absurdly hard to do even if you can best him. she didn't have any actual prep or ways to counter him in combat in a 1v1.
 
CrystalValley said:
Sion had a plan in terms of knowing a means to potentially kill him, since killing him is absurdly hard to do even if you can best him. she didn't have any actual prep or ways to counter him in combat in a 1v1.
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Yep, I just finished reading the first fight in Arcueid form. She didnt need prep because he already had foreknowledge. I did mention that she either needs prep time or foreknowledge right?

Anyway, she was shocked that Wallachia used Arcueid form. Thanks to that she was able to beat him using the knowledge of the battlefeild to her advantage. She also used the mix of intelligences to her advantage, right?. There is no way she can beat Wallachia without these strokes of Luck in the beginning. Wallachia wasnt dumb to use Arcueid's body tho cuz he needed to get used to it first since it has so much potential. The body was also unsuitable for what he was doing too. Thats why he lost. He will definitely win if the odds were fair. What do you think?

Now I am about to watch their second fight and I am already seeing how this is in favor for Sion even before the fight begins. Sion knows there is no chance of winning in a fair fight now. Arcueid even told her that too.

Edit: Unsuitable for Tatari* by the way, she knows Wallachia in this form. very well.
 
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As I'm reading this fight, the series in general even. I have come to this conclusion.

She can only predict what she is capable of predicting. Variables are a big weakness for her. Logically I knew they were because mathematics with too many variables is just useless. but the way Sion supporters except @CrystalValley and @Violatas wank this precog is sad. So i just had to see it for myself. Her precognition is practically useless at the beginning of SBA matches on this wiki. She must allow her opponent fight or she must have knowledge on her opponent, and the surroundings to use her precog at all.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Yep, I just finished reading the first fight in Arcueid form. She didnt need prep because he already had foreknowledge. I did mention that she either needs prep time or foreknowledge right?

Anyway, she was shocked that Wallachia used Arcueid form. Thanks to that she was able to beat him using the knowledge of the battlefeild to her advantage. She also used the mix of intelligences to her advantage, right?. There is no way she can beat Wallachia without these strokes of Luck in the beginning. Wallachia wasnt dumb to use Arcueid's body tho cuz he needed to get used to it first since it has so much potential. The body was also unsuitable for what he was doing too. Thats why he lost. He will definitely win if the odds were fair. What do you think?

Now I am about to watch their second fight and I am already seeing how this is in favor for Sion even before the fight begins. Sion knows there is no chance of winning in a fair fight now. Arcueid even told her that too.

Edit: Unsuitable for Tatari* by the way, she knows Wallachia in this form. very well.
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oh yeah. i was never arguing Sion's win against Wallachia in Arcueid's body was a non-circumstantial one. i was just saying she did well before that wincon was presented, since she did tag him with etherlite. and Wallachia in his original body is also superior to even DA Sion. my main argument was that she was able to preform fine though considering she was outclassed and didn't have prep.

and yeah, she knows Wallachia in that form since that's his original body. but how much she knows of his combat abilities is unknown, considering her statement of no one being able to match him is clearly wrong. Wallachia states Nrvnqsr surpasses him if i remember correctly. and Roa is the strongest Dead Apostle period. so it seems most of it is her going off hype. though he definitely is one of the strongest Dead Apostles regardless and superior to Sion.

in terms of the fight however, as Type mentioned, her opponent isn't going to start out with the shadow hands thing it seems, which is a problem.

and yes her precog isn't perfect by any means. but it not working on Shiki of all people isn't really a bad anti-feat considering how strange he is, especially knowing Tsukihime. it worked on Arcueid technically, it's just that Sion had no way to kill her at all. she can use the etherlite to learn of people though. she did this with Shiki. and since her opponent's starting move isn't the hands, she has a good chance at doing this, along with just tagging him with the etherlite in general.
 
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oh yeah. i was never arguing Sion's win against Wallachia in Arcueid's body was a non-circumstantial one. i was just saying she did well before that wincon was presented, since she did tag him with etherlite. and Wallachia in his original body is also superior to even DA Sion. my main argument was that she was able to preform fine though considering she was outclassed and didn't have prep.

and yeah, she knows Wallachia in that form since that's his original body. but how much she knows of his combat abilities is unknown, considering her statement of no one being able to match him is clearly wrong. Wallachia states Nrvnqsr surpasses him if i remember correctly. and Roa is the strongest Dead Apostle period. so it seems most of it is her going off hype. though he definitely is one of the strongest Dead Apostles regardless and superior to Sion.

in terms of the fight however, as Type mentioned, her opponent isn't going to start out with the shadow hands thing it seems, which is a problem.
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I know what your argument was, i wasnt trying to refute that. I was just letting it known to everyone that the effectiveness of her Precog depends on the overall knowledge she has. On the opponent, on the environment, etc.


Well I am done with Melty Blood. It was amazing.

Two last questions.

Doesn't her conceptual weapon depend on someone else? She used the sheild of someone to create a bullet. It seems like Wallachia is weak to her sheild.

She never started with her haxes right? I know she starts with etherlite or melee. but she mostly uses her gun to finish fights. and the conceptual part, i am unsure if she he always used it or just at the end.
 
TypeOU said:
Nacht always start with X"
proceed to show the one time he started with said spell
Not how it works.

BTW, he didn't start with arms against Asta, this is literally the end of their training.
As for the time with Yami, the context was totally different since 1. he was with yami and 2. he was overcharged, it definitively doesn't apply to a normal fight
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I said he starts with stealth in all his fights then mentioned times he starts with stealth-based attacks. Because I wanted to prove he often takes the stealthy routes in the beginning.

And he did start with shadow arms against Asta at the beginning of their fight. then the whole Asta negating Shadow thing happened.

Then two days later after continuous fighting, they fought again and started with manazone.

Against the twin devils, he started with manazone.

Against Lucifero with Yami, he started with manazone.

Before what I said directly above, against lucifero alone, he appeared out of the ground to attack Lucifero.





TypeOU said:
Cool. So that's two, and those two times are definitively more relevant than him training someone, or going all out because he feels full of energy.

Anyway, let's list his starting moves:
->Paralysis twice
haxx get resisted, etherlite GG
->canis mode, hands, pack
Sion has more than enough time to fry his brain if she just dodges his hands with her precog, or even before that since, again, he can't just cast all of his spell in a thought.
->hide in his shadow, then appears behind his opponent and grabs them
Sion uses her precog and doesn't care if he TP behind her, then fry his brain with etherlite... again.
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Again.

his starting move is not paralysis and I have explained why in my previous post.

his starting moves are:

-> shadow hands or manazone

He doesn’t need canis mode to use Manazone. He only used canis mode to train Asta. Him appearing behind someone was only used once, so applying your logic in the previous paragraph, that’s not how it works. Hands and Manazone are his starting moves.
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You didn't show even one time he immediately hid in the ground or plunged the area into darkness.
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I did. You responded to it. so what's the issue?

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She fought against Arcueid, attacks with the ability to one-shot her aren't an issue, especially crushing her which would take more effort for obvious reasons (blast->dead compared to have the hands spawn->have them grab her->have them crush her->dead), and again, just because the arms try to crush her doesn't mean she has to answer with lifting strength, she can destroy them with AP
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Just because she fought a character that could one-shot her doesn't mean she can handle anyone who one shots her.

Just because you think it's obvious doesn't mean it is obvious. She gets crushed because Nacht has a massive LS advantage.

I don't get these leaps of logic you occasionally have. Simply adding more " ->" for Nacht doesn't make it true. This logic does not even account for the fact that Sion has to actually think. raise her arm up, aim, and fire. I can just do the exact same thing you did. Nacht spawns arms that are already moving to grab Sion at point blank range, they don't stop. Your logic also ignores that Sion won't be startled upon seeing so many arms grabbing her and that Nacht will definitely see her aim at him and counter. And like i said, she easily gets crushed.



TypeOU said:
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Yeah, I know that now. It's not going to work as well as you think you do without foreknowledge. She has to see Nacht's attack in order to cover up the obvious variables in her calculations. Saying she calculates regardless of this obvious weakness of lack of knowledge is headcanon.

She never fights without prep or foreknowledge of her opponents.

She obviously had foreknowledge on Shiki and she had foreknowledge on Arc from Shiki. Otherwise, she would have died to Arc if she didnt know Arc was fond of Shiki.

I honestly feel misled because I asked you many times.

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dodging is combat/reaction speed based. NOT movement speed
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Again, I literally use the word "outrun" and not "dodge" multiple times. You clearly didn't read what I typed well. if she decides to outrun the arms, she will fail badly, and she does not have danmaku dodging feats that would counter multiple arms at once.

TypeOU said:
still not danmaku. And she's dodging with those sicc precog skillz
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Again, they are many shadow arms that only differ in the fact that they are not projectiles. Her precog is useless without prep time. And she cant even use it in darkness. There is no way she can make calculations on what she can't see on a character she has no knowledge on. You are going to have to provide feats of predicting enemies she can't see and doesn't know anything about.


TypeOU said:
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TypeOU said:
Good thing this spell that is definitively not your basic mana zone (which of course I would assume we were talking about since we were just using the word "mana zone") isn't instantaneous to cast then

"Mana Zone: Dark Prison Hunting Ground: After taking control of the surrounding mana, Nacht spreads out his shadow, shrouding everything in shadow and cutting off all light. His ki is also hidden, allowing him and his clones to strike their opponent without being sensed."

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He has already taken control of the space with his mana and she can't outrun the spread of the shadow because even that is instant too. with a range of 10m.

manipulating the wordings on the page won't work. Sion's attacks are not instantaneous and she never starts with her haxes so your point is moot.

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Since Nacht never wastes time with his opponents, he starts with Manazone or Shadow Arms. These two are his win cons. Sion's precognition is useless here because she has to activate her high speed thought and she lacks so much information so her calculations will be relying on too many variables at normal thinking seeds. Esentailly she will be guessing at this point. And she tends not to dodge attacks without her precog much less a danmaku of them. Yes, the shadow arms are danmaku because he can spawn many of them at a time. The only reason why it is not danmaku is because they are arms not projectiles. But i prefer to use the word danmaku to show how many arms he can spawn. Sion will be overwhelmed with shadow arms spawning around her in her general vicinity including below her feet.

Sion does not start with her haxes, she never does anything without knowing if she has success at it. It is her weakness as an alchemist. STherefoe she will start with melee attacks or etherlites without the haxes assuming she does anything at all. She often runs towards her opponent giving Nacht ample time to cast anything he wants to assuming he hasnt already done so. If for some reason she uses the etherlite to cause slicing damage to Nacht, he will survive. She can make very good traps and use her environment but Nacht is less likely to fall for traps because she doesnt start with traps, if she starts with any other thing apart from her haxes with etherlightNacht wll know there is something invisible.

In conclusion, Sion uses her wincons at the end of the match while Nacht uses his at the start of the match to end it quickly. Sion's math and probability based precog is useless in the face of multiple variables due to lack of knowledge on her environment and her opponent. Nacht wins with Mana Zone and Shadow Arms.

I hope i was able to convince you. I hope i was able to convince everyone. because there are many instances she wouldve died without starting with her haxes.
 
Nacht FRA
Starting with MZ Shadow Hunting Ground would make him impossible to detect
Slips through the shadows.. Superior LS..GG
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Sion does not start with her haxes, she never does anything without knowing if she has success at it. It is her weakness as an alchemist. STherefoe she will start with melee attacks or etherlites without the haxes assuming she does anything at all. She often runs towards her opponent giving Nacht ample time to cast anything he wants to assuming he hasnt already done so. If for some reason she uses the etherlite to cause slicing damage to Nacht, he will survive. She can make very good traps and use her environment but Nacht is less likely to fall for traps because she doesnt start with traps, if she starts with any other thing apart from her haxes with etherlightNacht wll know there is something invisible.
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Nacht FRA till im convinced otherwise
Her precog seems useless in this case as both characters have no prior knowledge of each other
Coupled with the fact that she doesn't use her Wiscons firs
Nacht gets my vote till further notice
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
I know what your argument was, i wasnt trying to refute that. I was just letting it known to everyone that the effectiveness of her Precog depends on the overall knowledge she has. On the opponent, on the environment, etc.


Well I am done with Melty Blood. It was amazing.

Two last questions.

Doesn't her conceptual weapon depend on someone else? She used the sheild of someone to create a bullet. It seems like Wallachia is weak to her sheild.

She never started with her haxes right? I know she starts with etherlite or melee. but she mostly uses her gun to finish fights. and the conceptual part, i am unsure if she he always used it or just at the end.
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that was a specific function not related to Barrel Replica itself. its normal function is unrelated to Riesbyfe, which is just using a bullet that automatically equalizes its toxin/attack power to the life of the target.

i actually forgot about the Riesbyfe thing. that may make Sion a 1-A smurf, since Ries's Holy Scripture rivals the Seventh and fragments are contained in those bullets of Sion's. don't think that's on her profile right now though so it can be ignored. as for using it, i'm not sure. i need to go look up the context of that again since it's been a while since i've read MB. but i do think it's probably unlikely she starts with that even from memory. and it can be dodged anyways. etherlite is her best option and the one she'd start with here. i don't see that coming into play before the fight ends one way or another. and i understand the reasons for thinking she loses.
 
Gumball_Ushiromiya said:
Nacht FRA till im convinced otherwise
Her precog seems useless in this case as both characters have no prior knowledge of each other
Coupled with the fact that she doesn't use her Wiscons firs
Nacht gets my vote till further notice
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she does use her wincon first which is etherlite. just felt like pointing that out.
 
CrystalValley said:
she does use her wincon first which is etherlite. just felt like pointing that out.
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Does she use her etherlite hax? (She has to start with the hax more than enough times for it to count in a hypothetical situation such as this one)

Ofcourse she starts with etherlite as a weapon. For slicing attacks like a whip, not hax.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Does she use her etherlite hax?

Ofcourse she starts with etherlite as a weapon. For slicing attacks.
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as said before it doesn't work on Arcueid, so using it for attacking is the only valid thing to do. it also doesn't work on Wallachia for a multitude of reasons like his true self just being a 1-A phenomena. so against an opponent it'd work on and she had the intent to kill, i think it's safe to assume she would use it in such a way. granted, i've forgotten the specifics of how her etherlite hax can work in terms of a one shot. best to ask Type again how that works. i usually don't debate Sion.
 
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Alright so…

@CrystalValley Tsukihime, where should I start from.
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the manga is a good adaption of the first route of the VN. it's the easiest way to start. it has its own rules and has its own exclusive stuff along with combining some info from other routes, but it does this to be a complete story since it wasn't adapting every route. it was well done however. my only issue with the manga is the beginning where the pacing is too quick and it introduces things too quickly, with the first villain who is above Wallachia even only has 14 chapters to himself, while the VN made him more ominous and was in the story much longer. though it was still alright. and after his arc, the pacing and stuff starts flowing much better. overall the manga is really good. I can't properly compare it to the VN since it has 5 routes though that can be very different from the manga. both are good though. you can start with either. but the manga is obviously quicker to read through and the VN has more in general since its 5 routes.

also glad Nacht is getting some votes since I thought this fight was a more balanced one that deserves the votes not being one sided. don't care who wins, but reading and participating a bit was fun. though i definitely think outside of the profiles that he stomps Sion since she doesn't resist that paralysis shit.
 
Violatas said:
Arcueid, Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, then Kohaku is typically the recommended order to help one understand stuff smoothly, though you can technically go whichever route first.
Also we'll be here forever if we wait for you to finish the Tsukihime VN; not to be rude
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maybe not. i know a guy who has like god tier speed reading and finished that shit in like 2 days. the guy is insane. maybe this guy has super human speed reading too lol.
 
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Arnoldstone18 said:
I'm very busy today, and judging by someone's behavior, noone is going to wait for me. So this is as much as I can do.



Alright, so there are a couple of things wrong with this so I will sort them all out as much as I can at this moment. I will tag all the messages after this too since I will address everything in my last post for a couple of hours. I can come online sparingly for any short answer reply.





Okay let's get straight to it.

Nacht starts with stealth all the time, he even does this with fodder characers to him. And he tries to end the fight quickly. He started with arms against Asta too but in this situation, his attacks are just naturally undetectable until its too late. magic captain's exceptional ability to sense mana could not sense his magic. He also went with stealth against Lucifero so he can catch him by surprise with Shadow Demon Dogs and he starts with mana zone in a rematch against Asta, and with Yami against Lucifero. So Nacht always starts with shadow arms, and he always goes into hiding in the shadows and/or turns the vicinity of a hundred meters pitch black with his Mana Zone. So No he does not start with paralysis, he only did so when he first met Asta (he just wanted to talk) and when he needed to remove the twin supreme devils from the battlefield to another location. In fact, as once he did that to the supreme devils he immediately made a territory to turn the vicinity pitch black with Mana Zone.

Sion has two one-shot haxes. Nacht's starting moves immediately counter these two one-shot haxes because Sion is either blinded by the pitch black darkness or Nacht just goes into the ground and strikes when the enemy least expects it with shadow arms in base. Sion has inferior Lifting Strength so she can easily be crushed with these shadow arms. Sion can't sense Nacht's magic coming so it is unlikely her Memory Partition and Thought Acceleration will work here especially when she knows nothing about what she is dealing with and can't detect it before it is too late. If that is not enough to convince you all then Sion also has subsonic movement speeds and a MHS combat speed, In VSmatches, the combat speed is equalized while every other speed is reduced by the same percentile. You can find this rule under Vsthread rules. The gap between subsonic speed and MHS reaction speeds is large, up to at least 40x from the highest subsonic value to the lowest MHS value to make things fair. A 40x gap is far too great for her to outrun the shadow arms. However, she can dodge some of the arms with her reaction speed. But there are so many of them that she must have danmaku dodging feat skills to a certain level and dodging them isn't going to be enough and she runs slower than she reacts. LOn top of all this, In Manazone, She can't see in pitch black darkness so she will not be able to dodge any of the shadow arms. In fact the ManaZone is made up of shadow arms and unfortunately she can't even fly to delay the inevitable. The best part is that Nacht does not need to be in the area, he can just hide in the shadows. The moment she tries to run she gets blitzed hard because Nacht's combat speed is 40x higher than Sion's running speed. She can't stand there because the arms are already on the ground. Unfortunately, she dies. Even if you say she jumps with MHS speeds, that's a dumb way to die. The arms can spawn anywhere in the territory. She will get crushed.

This is what Mana Zone does. The rest of the amps are on Nacht's page. They can amp all stats. Honestly, at this point he only needs ManaZone out of these amps to win.

Now for other messages after this. Yes, Nacht's power nullification does not work here. But her magic resistance intruges me. According to her page, the magic resistance only applies to the magic that is similar (not exactly) to status effects inducements. What I mean is that they are all resistant to all types of magic that aim to directly control them and/or have an internal effect. Luckily, Nacht is not directly affecting her in any way, paralysis will not work as a result of this, and power nullification will not work. Nacht does not have a spell that directly control her or affects her. Even the pitch black darkness of his ManaZone is akin to blindfolding them. The darkness does not affect her senses or preception directly. So she can't "resist darkness".

I hope i was able to change everyone's minds. Thank you for reading this.

I had fun.

See ya. ❤️
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Nacht FRA
 
CrystalValley said:
as said before it doesn't work on Arcueid, so using it for attacking is the only valid thing to do. it also doesn't work on Wallachia for a multitude of reasons like his true self just being a 1-A phenomena. so against an opponent it'd work on and she had the intent to kill, i think it's safe to assume she would use it in such a way.
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honestly Nacht has a devil and manaskin over him anyway.

but the assumption isn’t so safe due to her Alchemist’s ideology. So it’s best to NOT make strong claims for her to start with it. Wallachia was in vampire form tho, not his true self, she could’ve started off with that but didn’t. If it doesn’t work on vampires too, then based on her Alchemist philosophy on only acting when sure of success, she would hesitate seeing Nacht looking like a demonic entity.

so that assumption is very very not safe. But it’s possble nonetheless, but per wiki standards I doubt it’s fine to use such a weak possibility in a strong manner.
 
Violatas said:
Arcueid, Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, then Kohaku is typically the recommended order to help one understand stuff smoothly, though you can technically go whichever route first.
Also we'll be here forever if we wait for you to finish the Tsukihime VN; not to be rude
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Oh no I’m not looking for info anymore

i just want to enjoy the series now. I think I’m in love with Sion
 
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