2A (Possibly L1C) Devil May Cry - A relevant closer to a CRT

[SuperSonicTL]

The Justification:​

Before we dive in, let’s first examine this CRT creation of mine. As you can see, it was anonymously dismissed without much explanation—that’s not the main focus, though. The real point lies in the last conversation that unfolded here. This discussion was about whether Demon World qualifies as an infinite container, potentially making it L1C in size. That idea, however, was also rejected, and the thread was immediately closed with no further conversation allowed.

Still, the abrupt end left one key point unaddressed: Demon World, as an infinite realm containing countless worlds, should logically qualify as at least Multiverse+ in scale, wouldn’t you agree? This seems undeniable, given that the entire premise of the last conversation relied on it—something even mod Deagon indirectly acknowledged here. So, the final step is to establish a scaling chain for it.

Update: These are some important points that needs to be considered first before we classify what this qualify as:

• The Darkness (Demon World) was stated to be infinite on its own as a "container" (a 5-Dimensional structure).
• Human World, which is a space-time continuum like how series treated it to be and many other realms soo far, was born through Demon World.
• Human World, an uncountably infinite structure, was depicted as a mere finite "Ray of Light" when it compared itself to un-ending Darkness (Demon World) which suggests that there exists a dimensional difference of sort given ray can also be taken as a synonym for line, a 2 Dimensional structure in an infinite 3-Dimensional space

Therefore, here is a revised version of the blog that removed everything except the part that says it is infinite as a container.

Established Votes (Updated):​

2-A​

Agree (5): Planck (admin), Glass (mod), Elizhaa (admin), Qaw (leans to) (admin), UchihaSlayer (mod), Emirp (mod)

Neutral (1): LordGriffon (admin)

Disagree (3): Ovens(admin), Deagon (mod), DDM (admin & super mod)

Low 1-C​

Agree (4): Planck (admin), Elizhaa (admin), DDM (admin & super mod), UchihaSlayer (mod)

Neutral (mostly inconclusive) (3): Emirp (mod), Ultima (admin), @Theglassman12 (mod)

Disagree (4): Qaw (admin), LordGriffin (admin), Ovens (admin), Deagonx (mod)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I've always agreed with 2-A and i won't disagree with it now, by the way, great work.

 

[Hasty12345]

Disagree, not 2-A.

 

[SYPHe5D]

I would like to specify that, 2 A hasn’t been contested on the prior thread, this is merely a scaling thread for those who would scale to that tier.( lord help me with this god forsaken place)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I would like to specify that, 2 A hasn’t been contested on the prior thread, this is merely a scaling thread for those who would scale to that tier.( lord help me with this god forsaken place)

Pretty sure he thinks it is higher, and therefore "Not 2-A"

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Disagree, not 2-A.

You gotta explain why it's not 2-A (I'm not saying it is or isn't), because just saying it isn't doesn't help the discussion without explaining your reasoning.

 

[Planck69]

2-A wasn't really contested initially, and reading this, I suppose it is fine.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Pretty sure he thinks it is higher, and therefore "Not 2-A"

Gotta eat what you have

 

[SYPHe5D]

You gotta explain why it's not 2-A (I'm not saying it is or isn't), because just saying it isn't doesn't help the discussion without explaining your reasoning.

Especially when 2 A wasn’t contested at all in the prior thread, it got support in fact and clearly now.

 

[Hasty12345]

You gotta explain why it's not 2-A (I'm not saying it is or isn't), because just saying it isn't doesn't help the discussion without explaining your reasoning.

If the container is the backdrop for the multiverse, then it's the space between timelines and thus insignificant 5D.

2-A requires infinite spacetime continuums.

I also want to note, it won't be low 1-C for the same reasons a 2-A multiverse isn't low 1-C despite logically having sum total of infinite space between timelines.

 

[Planck69]

That doesn't seem to make much sense. We do not make the assumption with normal infinite multiverses because we do not know how large that higher-dimensional axis is relative to the 4-dimensional space-times. Here, we know the Demon World is infinite relative to the dimensions within it. If we treat it as a 5-dimensional space then it would be significantly sized.

So you can't really have it be neither 2-A nor Low 1-C in this case, since it's not the same situation as an unelaborated infinite multiverse.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Regardless of that, it being a infinite 4 dimensional space that contains spatially infinite space time continuums, while also treating them as a smaller aspects to it should warrant a 2 A ratting at least, again 2 has not been contested on the prior thread, only low 1 C. Even tho low 1 C looks good with this

 

[Hasty12345]

That doesn't seem to make much sense. We do not make the assumption with normal infinite multiverses because we do not know how large that higher-dimensional axis is relative to the 4-dimensional space-times. Here, we know the Demon World is infinite relative to the dimensions within it. If we treat it as a 5-dimensional space then it would be significantly sized.

This doesn't make much sense, as any 2-A multiverse with a non-zero distance between timelines would automatically significant 5D, and it wouldn't be uncommon to have such a depiction.

Timelines are already infinite 4D objects, if 2 timelines exist and they qualify as separate timelines, they much be parallel along a 5th dimensional axis. The "container" must be 5D in this case.

It's just a matter of applying the standards consistency, it is widely known tier 2 doesn't operate on logic. If it's low 1-C then applying that logic consistently makes any 2-A verse with a provable non-zero distance between timelines low 1-C as well, and it's not 2-A as the container must be 5D as it separates 4D objects without intersection.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Before we dive in, let’s first examine this CRT creation of mine. As you can see, it was anonymously dismissed without much explanation—that’s not the main focus, though. The real point lies in the last conversation that unfolded here. This discussion was about whether Demon World qualifies as an infinite container, potentially making it L1C in size. That idea, however, was also rejected, and the thread was immediately closed with no further conversation allowed.

Still, the abrupt end left one key point unaddressed: Demon World, as an infinite realm containing countless worlds, should logically qualify as at least Multiverse+ in scale, wouldn’t you agree? This seems undeniable, given that the entire premise of the last conversation relied on it—something even mod Deagon indirectly acknowledged here. So, the final step is to establish a scaling chain for it.

Therefore, here is a revised version of the blog that removed everything except the part that says it is infinite as a container.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

"Countless worlds" would typically lean more towards 2-B without context; that's the minimum interpretation. But "Infinite Realm containing those countless worlds" I am unsure about. Though Demon World seems to have "Infinite" and containing the worlds put together, which could indicate it being quantitively superior. I see more so an at least 2-B, possibly Low 1-C; nothing really indicates 2-A as a middle to my knowledge.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Things are pretty simple:

The Demon World acts as a container for distinct space-times, some of which are infinite. Therefore, it would require a 4-dimensional space, at minimum, to encompass them.

The manga describes this world explicitly as an "infinite container" for these individual realms.

As such, it's difficult to argue that it could be below 2-A, given its nature. Possibly L1C if you want to lean into that category.

 

[Hasty12345]

The Demon World acts as a container for distinct space-times, some of which are infinite. Therefore, it would require a 5-dimensional space, at minimum, to encompass them.

 

[Planck69]

It's just a matter of applying the standards consistency, it is widely known tier 2 doesn't operate on logic. If it's low 1-C then applying that logic consistently makes any 2-A verse with a provable non-zero distance between timelines low 1-C as well, and it's not 2-A as the container must be 5D as it separates 4D objects without intersection.

Yes, any significantly sized 5-dimensional space would be Low 1-C? This is just arguing from incredulity. Most 2-A settings don't elaborate on the size of the space between, so I'm unsure of how this is an actual argument.

 

[Hasty12345]

Yes, any significantly sized 5-dimensional space would be Low 1-C? This is just arguing from incredulity. Most 2-A settings don't elaborate on the size of the space between, so I'm unsure of how this is an actual argument.

I'm not arguing from incredulity????

This isn't a response to anything I said, so I don't know how to address it.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

This doesn't make much sense, as any 2-A multiverse with a non-zero distance between timelines would automatically significant 5D, and it wouldn't be uncommon to have such a depiction.

Timelines are already infinite 4D objects, if 2 timelines exist and they qualify as separate timelines, they much be parallel along a 5th dimensional axis. The "container" must be 5D in this case.

So, are you suggesting it should actually be Tier 1-C? I referenced Tier 2-A because the Human World, in its entirety, is so insignificant compared to the Demon World that it’s virtually nothing by comparison. The infinite scale of space-times required for Tier 2-A necessitates a boundless capacity to hold these realms, and the Demon World fulfills exactly that role.

It's just a matter of applying the standards consistency, it is widely known tier 2 doesn't operate on logic. If it's low 1-C then applying that logic consistently makes any 2-A verse with a provable non-zero distance between timelines low 1-C as well, and it's not 2-A as the container must be 5D as it separates 4D objects without intersection.

That’s precisely the issue. Tier 2, by its nature, is inherently paradoxical. However, the internal logic of this paradox still requires an infinite space (in this case, a 4-dimensional axis) to truly be infinite. This would allow the worlds like the Human World to be positioned within it on an infinite scale of their own. Does that make sense?

 

[Hasty12345]

So, are you suggesting it should actually be Tier 1-C? I referenced Tier 2-A because the Human World, in its entirety, is so insignificant compared to the Demon World that it’s virtually nothing by comparison. The infinite scale of space-times required for Tier 2-A necessitates a boundless capacity to hold these realms, and the Demon World fulfills exactly that role.

I'm suggesting for consistency sake it's 2-C, but in essence, it's fundamentally not 2-A.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Keep your suggestion to yourself, be put as disagree and move on.

 

[Hasty12345]

Keep your suggestion to yourself, be put as disagree and move on.

Rude much

 

[SYPHe5D]

Not rudeness, more so being direct, if you want to interpret it that way, then that’s up to you.

 

[Hasty12345]

Not rudeness, more so being direct, if you want to interpret it that way, then that’s up to you.

Keep your suggestion to yourself

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

You two better drop it now.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

You two better drop it now.

What do you think of the crt?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I'm suggesting for consistency sake it's 2-C, but in essence, it's fundamentally not 2-A.

I’m not quite seeing the issue here. The manga clearly depicts the Demon World as a container for worlds, each of which represents an infinite space-time that remains separate, except when connected by portals. Logically, the Demon World should align with either Tier 1-C or 2-A, as it is implied to be an infinite container in comparison to these same worlds. Whether or not it's distinctly 5-dimensional isn’t central to this proposal—it’s simply building on the already accepted notion that it functions as an infinite container for infinitely large space-times, as we seen in the previous thread.

 

[Theglassman12]

The upgrades seem fine, also @SYPHe5D and @Hasty12345 both of you calm down.

 

[Hasty12345]

I’m not quite seeing the issue here. The manga clearly depicts the Demon World as a container for worlds, each of which represents an infinite space-time that remains separate, except when connected by portals. Logically, the Demon World should align with either Tier 1-C or 2-A

My issue is that if this is true The manga clearly depicts the Demon World as a container for worlds, each of which represents an infinite space-time that remains separate then it cannot be 2-A.

It just can't. Try and align two infinite 1D lines in parallel on a 1D axis, it's impossible. Two 4D objects cannot be parallel on a 4D axis, they'd overlap. The container must be 5D in nature.

If mods think it's demonstrably infinite in size and this scenario constitutes a valid low 1-C tier, then so be it, but it's not 2-A.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I agree with this

 

[Planck69]

I do not mind Low 1-C but I am unsure if the OP wishes to tackle that in this thread specifically or not.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I do not mind Low 1-C but I am unsure if the OP wishes to tackle that in this thread specifically or not.

Well it’s depicted as an infinitely sized structure capable of containing separate, infinite space-times. Given this, I think the most fitting classification would be Tier 2-A (could contain infinite worlds), with the possible rating of Low 1-C (if we consider an infinite, significant 5D axis in its entirety)

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

2-A is fine. Idk on low 1-C.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Everything12 @Elizhaa

I know this topic comes up a lot, but to be completely safe I'd like your opinion on this.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Agree with 2A, unless the infinite container analogy was referring to the space between any two worlds as well

It should be 2A

 

[Da3ggman]

Fuji punching the air rn

2-A definitely seems logical, as does Low 1-C.

 

[Elizhaa]

I shared Planck69's views.

 

[Thehunter077]

Agree with 2-A and possibly low 1-C

 

[SeijiSetto]

i'll preface by saying i'm not all that familiar on tier 2, BUT
i don't know if "could contain infinite worlds" is sufficient for 2-A
the tiering system page is pretty explicit about the fact that characters have to actually significantly affect countably infinite separate space-time continuums, would it not only scale to however many are actually contained within the structure?

 

[Marosuke]

DMC has 3 multiverses. the void mundus timeline, the reboot and PoC. We acknowledge that the VM timeline is 2-A. The novel said that it branches by if. And we saw those possibilities in PoC which don't seem canon to the main timeline. So yeah. There is a possibility for low 1-C. Agree with OP.