DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Twellas]

Unless you get further evidence, i don't see reason to take many of those statements at face value.

Especially with stuff like Raoh “destroy Heaven” assuming that it isn't a metaphor and that he does refer to the actual physical universe.

Personally (based on what i know about the First of the North Star's series) the scaling of Kenshiro was very accurate.

Saying "this is hyperbole" with literally no elaboration is not an argument, it's not "taking it beyond face value", it's nothing more than hand-waving the statement away without proof, it's LESS than "taking it at face value", you're not "taking" the statement AT ALL lol.

Like for the heaven destroying statement the rebuttal is verbatim "Not much to comment on the destroying Heaven part outside of the fact the usage of hyperbole here is extremely clear". Like, how is it "clearly an hyperbole"? I swear people think HNK characters (and guidebooks) go from martial artists to philosophers whenever they start talking about each other's powers. How is Tenha Kossatsu's WHOLE NARRATIVE being that it has the power to destroy the universe "hyperbole"? Why would an a-personal guidebook use hyperbole? Not to mention all the other stuff, but that's beside the point.

I'm not even saying you have to agree with the higher scaling or that it's bomb-proof, but these rebutals in particular stink, they barely even classify as rebutals at all because they don't engage with the argument in the first place.

 

[Twellas]

I don't even wanna hear what the arguments against the latest chapters's author statements are gonna be. We're gonna say that the author was using hyperbole in his own personal notes trying to impress himself, or say that "well, we don't know if he's talking about a REAL gamma-ray burst or a metaphorical one" lmao

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Robbie Reyes, Simon the Digger, ummmm, successor

Those are.... pretty ass ngl.

Best alternative I can honestly think of is Wally West Vs Rodimus Prime and that's just a sadder version of Superman Vs Optimus, because unlike Optimus, Rodimus doesn't really have Multiversal super forms to save him, other than one version.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Maybe some characters dont need to return if they dont have even decent MUs :V

 

[Tipper17]

Who would Wally West's best match be if he got a runback?

Definitely not Archie Sonic since Wally's way out of his league nowadays

None Archie was his best in general
None of his mu are interesting

 

[Stefano4444]

I'm not even saying you have to agree with the higher scaling or that it's bomb-proof, but these rebutals in particular stink, they barely even classify as rebutals at all because they don't engage with the argument in the first place.

I see, guess if we try to be fair to FOTNS it can maybe get a possibly High 4-C/3-A by using the author personal notes and guidebooks.

If definitely a good compromise.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

None Archie was his best in general
None of his mu are interesting

Also let’s be honest he wins most if not all his mus

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

The Franchise? Or just Peter Parker specifically?

The latter

 

[Joycap]

The latter

Looking at our current scaling chains, I've kinda got nothing.

If Spider-verse gets CRTs in future, I might give it another look.

 

[Tipper17]

Sentry VS Superboy Prime (Marvel VS DC Comics)

“We make our own monsters, then fear them for what they show us about ourselves.” - Mike Carey & Peter Gross The Sentry , the forgotten go...

mediamaniavsblogs.blogspot.com

 

[Tipper17]

Also let’s be honest he wins most if not all his mus

Pretty much not many matching Wally at his peak

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Sentry VS Superboy Prime (Marvel VS DC Comics)

“We make our own monsters, then fear them for what they show us about ourselves.” - Mike Carey & Peter Gross The Sentry , the forgotten go...

mediamaniavsblogs.blogspot.com

Outerversal Sentry sure is.... something ig.

Like idk. Most of the justifications to scale Sentry to that level feels very iffy.

And as for speed, just by scaling alone, it's easier to argue SBP to be faster due to scaling to characters who are much faster than Immeasurable speed characters.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Light stomps horribly if it's about who can figure out the others' identity

I can make a whole ass essay about it

If Hank could narrow it down, Light could. Hell, part of the reason Hank didn't realize it was Walter was due to him being family

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Those are.... pretty ass ngl.

Best alternative I can honestly think of is Wally West Vs Rodimus Prime and that's just a sadder version of Superman Vs Optimus, because unlike Optimus, Rodimus doesn't really have Multiversal super forms to save him, other than one version.

That’s just Wally’s MU spread, it’s all bas

 

[NotoriouSoda]

That’s just Wally’s MU spread, it’s all bas

What are the connections for Simon anyway?

 

[Doggo]

If Hank could narrow it down, Light could. Hell, part of the reason Hank didn't realize it was Walter was due to him being family

exactly. Hank would have solved the case the moment he investigated Walt's school yet didn't cause he couldn't possibly think his nerdy brother-in-law could be a criminal.

 

[Tipper17]

What are the connections for Simon anyway?

similar to kyle a bit

 

[NotoriouSoda]

similar to kyle a bit

U know ur overpower if you beat Simon with low-mid diff

 

[Tipper17]

U know ur overpower if you beat Simon with low-mid diff

Speaking Simon it's funny how most of his mu are against that have no way of matching to his mecha size the moment he goes big mode

Outside Kyle,Getter,Madoka,Demonbane,Alien X wtf the rest can do lol they can't even interact with him

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Speaking Simon it's funny how most of his mu are against that have no way of matching to his mecha size the moment he goes big mode

Outside Kyle,Getter,Madoka,Demonbane,Alien X wtf the rest can do lol they can't even interact with him

They lose lol

I mean, technically can Wally interact with his mech if he goes to big mode?

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

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Any MUs for my goat, Hunter Zolomon?

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Any MUs for my goat, Hunter Zolomon?

I can't see the picture.

 

[Tipper17]

They lose lol

I mean, technically can Wally interact with his mech if he goes to big mode?

Don't think so

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Don't think so

Can’t interact with his mech and still wins

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[Joycap]

Any MUs for my goat, Hunter Zolomon?

Isn't this just Reverse-Flash?

Also, use the archive trick, for gods sake...

I can't see the picture.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[PonePoster]

Freaky ass art

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Rukia vs Mitsuru?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Outerversal Sentry sure is.... something ig.

Like idk. Most of the justifications to scale Sentry to that level feels very iffy.

And as for speed, just by scaling alone, it's easier to argue SBP to be faster due to scaling to characters who are much faster than Immeasurable speed characters.

Didn't bro get washed by Knull even at his peak?

 

[Tyranno223]

Outerversal Sentry sure is.... something ig.

Like idk. Most of the justifications to scale Sentry to that level feels very iffy.

And as for speed, just by scaling alone, it's easier to argue SBP to be faster due to scaling to characters who are much faster than Immeasurable speed characters.

Tbf, we do have a Sentry that's 1-A... but, it's not the right one.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

From Deltarune?

I think this one, I'm guessing the profile is outdated though since even if DB buy passive soul crush GG, Rukia has the double wammy of durability negation with soul damage and Absolute Zero that Noelle doesn't resist.

 

[Rangoon04]

Didn't bro get washed by Knull even at his peak?

It was an unmerged Sentry so not at his peak. Tbh the writing for that was just nonsense since the King in Black writer Donny Cates admitted he didn't know much about Sentry when using him as jobber fodder.

The blog addressed it as a mix of Knull bypassing Sentry's regen and an oversight in writing

 

[Tipper17]

So who the strongest Independent era Loser?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

So who the strongest Independent era Loser?

Well Zarathos was massively downplayed

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Speaking of Simon vs Wally, could Simon's probability missiles hit Wally?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Outerversal Sentry sure is.... something ig.

Like idk. Most of the justifications to scale Sentry to that level feels very iffy.

And as for speed, just by scaling alone, it's easier to argue SBP to be faster due to scaling to characters who are much faster than Immeasurable speed characters.

Tbf apparently we have Savage Hulk and Base Thor at that Tier so maybe Sentry has arguments for that?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So who the strongest Independent era Loser?

Going by the way they described him, I'd say Kyle, especially with the sheer versatility he has over Zarathos.

 

[Rangoon04]

So who the strongest Independent era Loser?

They're close-ish in power so it comes down to Kyle's versatility vs Zarathos's soul hax. I think the latter is way more potent than what Kyle dealt with but Kyle's emotional manipulation is crazy and could work on Johnny / Zarathos.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

They're close-ish in power so it comes down to Kyle's versatility vs Zarathos's soul hax. I think the latter is way more potent than what Kyle dealt with but Kyle's emotional manipulation is crazy and could work on Johnny / Zarathos.

Does Zarathos resist Kyles unmastered LE?