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A while ago a thread was made to determine SSG's multiplier. It was concluded that SSG's power multiplier should be higher than the gap between Buu Saga Base Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Vegito.
However this principle should be applied to SSG Goku's speed multiplier as well.
First, a few points
1. Why is SSG even scaled above Buu Saga Vegito?
After Goku's miserable attempt at fighting Beerus, he concluded that not even fusing with Vegeta will allow him to stand a chance against Beerus. Later after the SSG ritual is performed, he is confident he can fight against Beerus. This is important due to the implication that not even Super Saiyan 3 Vegito will be as strong as SSG Goku, thus making its power boost stronger than just fusing with Vegeta and then turning Super Saiyan 3 on top of it.
2. How does Buu Saga Vegito compare to Base Goku?
As stated by AKM in this thread, a fusion's base form is always stronger than one of the fusee's at max power. In this case, Base Buu Saga Vegito is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. A fusion's base form being stronger than each of it's fusees at maximum power is consistent and is always shown to be true everytime a fusion is shown on screen.
Vegito himself should be able to use Super Saiyan 3. Goku himself knows how to transform into SS3, and even Goten and Trunks who can only tap into SS1 was able to use SS3 after observing Goku using it once. Goku likely also accounted for Super Saiyan 3 Vegito when he determined that not even Vegito will beat Beerus.
With points 1 and 2 in mind, a scaling chain can be made.
Base Goku < SS3 Goku < Base Vegito < SS3 Vegito < SSG Goku
3, Does this apply to speed as well?
Yes. A general rule in Dragon Ball is that a stronger character is most likely going to be faster as well, this is true for nearly every fight in Dragon Ball, as long as it does not involve characters specifically specializing for speed over power (such as Dyspo) or using a specific technique that sacrifices one for the other (Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks for example). And thus by this rule, SSG Goku should be faster than SS3 Vegito, simply due to having a higher power level.
Not only that, base fusions are also faster than each of its fusees at maximum speed. Base Gogeta was able to keep up with Super Saiyan Broly who is at least as fast as SSB Goku/Vegeta, and Base Kefla speedblitzes SSG Goku, who SS2 Caulifla and SS Berserk Kale were struggling to keep up with. The same should apply to Buu Saga Base Vegito, he should be significantly faster than SS3 Goku in his base form. He should also be able to turn Super Saiyan 3 to go even faster, and SSG Goku should at least be as fast as SS3 Vegito.
4. So what's the speed multiplier for SSG?
Right now only SS1 has a speed multiplier which is 50x. SS2 or SS3 are much faster, but exactly how much is unquantifiable. Base Vegito should be at least as fast as SS3 Goku, and then he can become 50x faster with Super Saiyan, becoming even faster with SS2 or SS3, and SSG Goku being faster than SS3 Vegito
Base Goku < SS Goku (50x) < SS3 Goku < Base Vegito < SS Vegito (50x) < SS3 Vegito < SSG Goku
And thus SSG should have an At least 2500x speed multiplier.
Votes (Staff in bold):
Agree: @omegabronic @AwkguyDB @Stefano4444 @LuffyRuffy46307 @Da3ggman @DarkDragonMedeus @LordTracer @SirAlex09 @Zeinx1 @Shiraito983 @CryptonBestDbFan @Damage3245 @Killerdrone123 @Spinoirr @Kroneii1
Disagree:
Neutral
However this principle should be applied to SSG Goku's speed multiplier as well.
First, a few points
1. Why is SSG even scaled above Buu Saga Vegito?
After Goku's miserable attempt at fighting Beerus, he concluded that not even fusing with Vegeta will allow him to stand a chance against Beerus. Later after the SSG ritual is performed, he is confident he can fight against Beerus. This is important due to the implication that not even Super Saiyan 3 Vegito will be as strong as SSG Goku, thus making its power boost stronger than just fusing with Vegeta and then turning Super Saiyan 3 on top of it.
2. How does Buu Saga Vegito compare to Base Goku?
As stated by AKM in this thread, a fusion's base form is always stronger than one of the fusee's at max power. In this case, Base Buu Saga Vegito is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. A fusion's base form being stronger than each of it's fusees at maximum power is consistent and is always shown to be true everytime a fusion is shown on screen.
- Base Gotenks is stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta, who is far stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks or Goten individually
- Super Saiyan Vegito easily beats up Gohan absorbed Super Buu. And base Vegito is far stronger than post-ROSAT base Gotenks, who is over 50x stronger than pre-ROSAT base Gotenks, who already exceeds Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta.
- Base Kefla outclasses Super Saiyan God Goku, who was able to easily overpower Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla and Super Saiyan Berserk Kale.
- Base Gogeta performed much better against Super Saiyan Broly than Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta
Vegito himself should be able to use Super Saiyan 3. Goku himself knows how to transform into SS3, and even Goten and Trunks who can only tap into SS1 was able to use SS3 after observing Goku using it once. Goku likely also accounted for Super Saiyan 3 Vegito when he determined that not even Vegito will beat Beerus.
With points 1 and 2 in mind, a scaling chain can be made.
Base Goku < SS3 Goku < Base Vegito < SS3 Vegito < SSG Goku
3, Does this apply to speed as well?
Yes. A general rule in Dragon Ball is that a stronger character is most likely going to be faster as well, this is true for nearly every fight in Dragon Ball, as long as it does not involve characters specifically specializing for speed over power (such as Dyspo) or using a specific technique that sacrifices one for the other (Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks for example). And thus by this rule, SSG Goku should be faster than SS3 Vegito, simply due to having a higher power level.
Not only that, base fusions are also faster than each of its fusees at maximum speed. Base Gogeta was able to keep up with Super Saiyan Broly who is at least as fast as SSB Goku/Vegeta, and Base Kefla speedblitzes SSG Goku, who SS2 Caulifla and SS Berserk Kale were struggling to keep up with. The same should apply to Buu Saga Base Vegito, he should be significantly faster than SS3 Goku in his base form. He should also be able to turn Super Saiyan 3 to go even faster, and SSG Goku should at least be as fast as SS3 Vegito.
4. So what's the speed multiplier for SSG?
Right now only SS1 has a speed multiplier which is 50x. SS2 or SS3 are much faster, but exactly how much is unquantifiable. Base Vegito should be at least as fast as SS3 Goku, and then he can become 50x faster with Super Saiyan, becoming even faster with SS2 or SS3, and SSG Goku being faster than SS3 Vegito
Base Goku < SS Goku (50x) < SS3 Goku < Base Vegito < SS Vegito (50x) < SS3 Vegito < SSG Goku
And thus SSG should have an At least 2500x speed multiplier.
Votes (Staff in bold):
Agree: @omegabronic @AwkguyDB @Stefano4444 @LuffyRuffy46307 @Da3ggman @DarkDragonMedeus @LordTracer @SirAlex09 @Zeinx1 @Shiraito983 @CryptonBestDbFan @Damage3245 @Killerdrone123 @Spinoirr @Kroneii1
Disagree:
Neutral
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