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will do tomorow then, very late nowYep they're all good, changes can be applied
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will do tomorow then, very late nowYep they're all good, changes can be applied
Are you able to do it now?will do tomorow then, very late now
Stuff happens irl, will try tonightAre you able to do it now?
Are you able to do it now?
I'm sorry there's a mistake, base Gogeta only scales above SSBKKx20 Goku as that was Goku's maximum at the timeDBS Conservative Speed Multipliers Recalc edition
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MUI thoI'm sorry there's a mistake, base Gogeta only scales above SSBKKx20 Goku as that was Goku's maximum at the time
He never had MUI during the Broly Movie, it's currently accepted that Broly is comparable to Beerus who base Jiren and UIO3 Goku are superior to, so it wouldn't make sense to say base Gogeta is superior to MUI Goku in the blogMUI tho
MUI is Goku's maximum tho, so he would naturally be included in the rule of Fusions...plus iirc his fight with broly was described as the "strongest in history" thus making him superior to MUI anyway......will grab the scan tommorow tho, good nightHe never had MUI during the Broly Movie, it's currently accepted that Broly is comparable to Beerus who base Jiren and UIO3 Goku are superior to, so it wouldn't make sense to say base Gogeta is superior to MUI Goku in the blog
For the "strongest fight in history" thing, you may be confusing that with Beast Gohan vs. Cell MaxMUI is Goku's maximum tho, so he would naturally be included in the rule of Fusions...plus iirc his fight with broly was described as the "strongest in history" thus making him superior to MUI anyway......will grab the scan tommorow tho, good night
Not in the Broly Movie. BoG Saga SSJ3 Goku was weaker than base Vegito, but after unlocking SSG via the ritual he surpassed a Hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito, something he isn't capable of normally putting out just like MUIMUI is Goku's maximum tho
wdym not in the broly movie? it is his maximum, it is a form he can achieve, even if with helpNot in the Broly Movie. BoG Saga SSJ3 Goku was weaker than base Vegito, but after unlocking SSG via the ritual he surpassed a Hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito, something he isn't capable of normally putting out just like MUI
He was only able to unlock it during the T.o.P, and even stated outright he can't utilize it (ofc he could if he was placed in very specific circumstances)wdym not in the broly movie? it is his maximum, it is a form he can achieve, even if with help
altho doesn't matter much, i fond the statement
it is still a form that is inside of him, it would still be considered his maximumHe was only able to unlock it during the T.o.P, and even stated outright he can't utilize it (ofc he could if he was placed in very specific circumstances)
.......when have i said anything about SSJB Goku < MUI Goku?While I do agree with Broly > Jiren, you would need to make a CRT for that and to get SSB Goku over MUI Goku
He hasn't shown this maximum regardlessit is still a form that is inside of him, it would still be considered his maximum
SSB Gogeta* typo I made.......when have i said anything about SSJB Goku < MUI Goku?
You'd have to argue against the Broly ~ Beerus statements this wiki uses, again you'd have to make a CRT on thisthis is more so more evidence for the already accepted concept of "Fusion base > Fuseés maximum" never is it said that if a Fuseé can't acess a form, that form is excluded from this rule of the fusion
.....he has this as his maximum, that is the pointHe hasn't shown this maximum regardless
okSSB Gogeta* typo I made
this thread already does thatYou'd have to argue against the Broly ~ Beerus statements this wiki uses, again you'd have to make a CRT on this
...This maximum was never shown in the Broly movie. "never is it said that if a Fuseé can't acess a form, that form is excluded from this rule of the fusion" and never is it stated it is included.....he has this as his maximum, that is the point
No this thread doesn't address the Beerus statement at allthis thread already does that
We're discussing on base Gogeta > MUI GokuWhat else do you need to do for this to be completed? We are taking too long for this to end.
I don't think we have any proof of Gogeta being superior to MUIWe're discussing on base Gogeta > MUI Goku
I agree.I don't think we have any proof of Gogeta being superior to MUI
he also never showed Kaioken 20x in the broly movie...This maximum was never shown in the Broly movie.
is there any reason to assume that a form that is their maximum isn't included? assuming a limitation based on nothing is not good"never is it said that if a Fuseé can't acess a form, that form is excluded from this rule of the fusion" and never is it stated it is included
it does by showing a fusion rule that would rule the statement outNo this thread doesn't address the Beerus statement at all
He is fully capable of it unlike Ultra Instincthe also never showed Kaioken 20x in the broly movie
You can't just ignore one piece of evidence with another, you have to address both which this thread never does. This thread was made primarily to upgrade Vegito and to have the rest of the high tiers upscale from him. Not to upgrade Base Gogeta to be above MUI Goku as that has contradictions this very wiki acceptsit does by showing a fusion rule that would rule the statement out
Also like wrathful broly and blue goku were equalMe thinks that base fusion > strongest individual form isn’t necessarily a rule, just something that happens due to individual forms seldom giving a larger boost than fusion Which is A*B according to guides.
I’m of the camp that we should scale them based on showings, and Gogeta only really showcases superiority to SSB probably even SSBKK20 given that Goku just opted for it instead of trying anything else.
actual reason being that SSBKK20 don’t exist in toridraft neither does SSBE, but since we have to make sense of works from a non meta perspective, the interpretation that SSBKK20 wouldn’t do shit to broly while base Gogeta was facing him and deflecting his attacks proves he should at least scale above it+ broly spent an hour AD vs Freeza.
Yeah this also, SSB had an edge against Broly but nothing that wouldn’t make SSJ broly scale to 50x above it as soon as he transformed, this without including him getting used to that power and further growing against Golden Freeza.Also like wrathful broly and blue goku were equal
Broly went ssj on top of wrathful making him 50x stronger so yeah, blue kaioken x20 goku in verse can't do anything