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will do tomorow then, very late now
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ANOTHER Dragon Ball Super speed upgrade
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Are you able to do it now?
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Stuff happens irl, will try tonight
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DBS Conservative Speed Multipliers Recalc edition
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I'm sorry there's a mistake, base Gogeta only scales above SSBKKx20 Goku as that was Goku's maximum at the timeDBS Conservative Speed Multipliers Recalc edition
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MUI tho
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He never had MUI during the Broly Movie, it's currently accepted that Broly is comparable to Beerus who base Jiren and UIO3 Goku are superior to, so it wouldn't make sense to say base Gogeta is superior to MUI Goku in the blog
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MUI is Goku's maximum tho, so he would naturally be included in the rule of Fusions...plus iirc his fight with broly was described as the "strongest in history" thus making him superior to MUI anyway......will grab the scan tommorow tho, good night
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For the "strongest fight in history" thing, you may be confusing that with Beast Gohan vs. Cell Max
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Not in the Broly Movie. BoG Saga SSJ3 Goku was weaker than base Vegito, but after unlocking SSG via the ritual he surpassed a Hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito, something he isn't capable of normally putting out just like MUI
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wdym not in the broly movie? it is his maximum, it is a form he can achieve, even if with help
altho doesn't matter much, i fond the statement
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He was only able to unlock it during the T.o.P, and even stated outright he can't utilize it (ofc he could if he was placed in very specific circumstances)
While I do agree with Broly > Jiren, you would need to make a CRT for that and to get SSB Goku over MUI Goku
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it is still a form that is inside of him, it would still be considered his maximum
.......when have i said anything about SSJB Goku < MUI Goku?
this is more so more evidence for the already accepted concept of "Fusion base > Fuseés maximum" never is it said that if a Fuseé can't acess a form, that form is excluded from this rule of the fusion
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He hasn't shown this maximum regardless
SSB Gogeta* typo I made
You'd have to argue against the Broly ~ Beerus statements this wiki uses, again you'd have to make a CRT on this
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.....he has this as his maximum, that is the point
ok
this thread already does that
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...This maximum was never shown in the Broly movie. "never is it said that if a Fuseé can't acess a form, that form is excluded from this rule of the fusion" and never is it stated it is included
No this thread doesn't address the Beerus statement at all
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What else do you need to do for this to be completed? We are taking too long for this to end.
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We're discussing on base Gogeta > MUI Goku
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Disagree with Base Gogeta being superior to MUI Goku
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I don't think we have any proof of Gogeta being superior to MUI
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I agree.
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he also never showed Kaioken 20x in the broly movie
is there any reason to assume that a form that is their maximum isn't included? assuming a limitation based on nothing is not good
it does by showing a fusion rule that would rule the statement out
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He is fully capable of it unlike Ultra Instinct
You can't just ignore one piece of evidence with another, you have to address both which this thread never does. This thread was made primarily to upgrade Vegito and to have the rest of the high tiers upscale from him. Not to upgrade Base Gogeta to be above MUI Goku as that has contradictions this very wiki accepts
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Me thinks that base fusion > strongest individual form isn’t necessarily a rule, just something that happens due to individual forms seldom giving a larger boost than fusion Which is A*B according to guides.
I’m of the camp that we should scale them based on showings, and Gogeta only really showcases superiority to SSB probably even SSBKK20 given that Goku just opted for it instead of trying anything else.
actual reason being that SSBKK20 don’t exist in toridraft neither does SSBE, but since we have to make sense of works from a non meta perspective, the interpretation that SSBKK20 wouldn’t do shit to broly while base Gogeta was facing him and deflecting his attacks proves he should at least scale above it+ broly spent an hour AD vs Freeza.
I’m of the camp that we should scale them based on showings, and Gogeta only really showcases superiority to SSB probably even SSBKK20 given that Goku just opted for it instead of trying anything else.
actual reason being that SSBKK20 don’t exist in toridraft neither does SSBE, but since we have to make sense of works from a non meta perspective, the interpretation that SSBKK20 wouldn’t do shit to broly while base Gogeta was facing him and deflecting his attacks proves he should at least scale above it+ broly spent an hour AD vs Freeza.
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Also like wrathful broly and blue goku were equal
Broly went ssj on top of wrathful making him 50x stronger so yeah, blue kaioken x20 goku in verse can't do anything
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Yeah this also, SSB had an edge against Broly but nothing that wouldn’t make SSJ broly scale to 50x above it as soon as he transformed, this without including him getting used to that power and further growing against Golden Freeza.
Base Gogeta ~ SSJ Broly ( 1H of AD) > 50x SSB Goku
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