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Super Flying Ninja Broken Beer Bottle Neck and Eggplant Shanking no Jutsu of the Thunder God's Spiraling Sphere level 4 x3 Grade 4 (Naruto Top Tiers)

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Arc7Kuroi said:
No you're misunderstanding my point, Minato's base is 4.3 Gigatons. Meaning to reach the ~200 Teratons, Kurama would have to add pm ~199.9957 Teratons, aka pm all of the ~200 Teratons. But for Naruto Kurama is only adding ~100 Teratons. I'm saying it makes 0 sense for Minato's half of Kurama to be twice as strong as Naruto's half of Kurama, and it only makes sense if you say base Minato = half Kurama, which we simply do not accept.
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oh i see what your sayin they supposedly fought against each other in the reapers belly so maybe minato rel to half kuruma aint to bad
 
i just realized something, cant we make tobiramas tandem paper bomb high 6b for blowing apart the deity gates?
 
Obito's SS should have The Sword of Nun included in it as well.


Also with Naruto, Minato, and Sasuke: why do they all scale to 200 Teratons? Since their feats/justifications are only combined attacks, why would they scale to that value individually?
 
Nierre said:
Obito's SS should have The Sword of Nun included in it as well.


Also with Naruto, Minato, and Sasuke: why do they all scale to 200 Teratons? Since their feats/justifications are only combined attacks, why would they scale to that value individually?
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400/2 = 200, but Minato shouldn't scale for reasons I mentioned
 
Oh im so blind... i though Obito was 200... Sorry lmao...


Other than that I agree with Arc and great work everyone :3
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Obito states that Hagoromo's sword, the Nunoboko, created the world, and then Obito claims he'll use it to obliterate the world[1]. In the raws, Obito states that he will use the Nunoboko to erase the world[2]. The kanji used, 消す, is the verb for "to erase". Indicating that Obito is going to literally destroy the world. This is likely referring to surface level destruction, 183.24 Petatons. The reason I believe this is due to the prior part of the Nunoboko statement regarding Hagoromo creating the world. I believe this is in reference to Hagoromo having to terraform the surface of the Earth, given we know the Juubi razed the surface of the Earth with numerous Bijuudama[3]. I can make this claim with a high degree of certainty, because bombing the planet, in what is akin to nuclear fallout, would make the Earth simply uninhabitable for humanity and the traditional wildlife. Furthermore, we know Hagoromo was born on the planet Earth, meaning the planet existed before Hagoromo. Therefore, Hagoromo couldn't have created the literal planet itself. This leaves the most likely interpretation of "Hagoromo creating the world with Nunoboko" to be terraforming the surface in order to make the planet hospitable again, or in other words, undoing a surface level destruction of Earth. In which case, if the sword can restore surface level destruction, it is consistent for Obito's statement about erasing the world to be in reference to enacting surface level destruction upon the planet. Thus, Juubi Jinchuriki Obito should be High 6-A with the Nunoboko.
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First off, I'm fully aware I don't have any scans that can objectively refute this - but I don't think that this interpretation of Obito's statement is solid and that there are other meanings for it.

It strikes me as conjectural that Hagoromo "creating the world" refers to him terraforming the planet when this was never seen in the series or implied anywhere else aside from potentially this statement. We also don't have any evidence of massive surface-level destruction of the Earth during Hagoromo's and Hamura's battle with the 10-Tails. It's been a while since I've seen the anime episode that showed this, but that would probably back it up.

Now, what else could it mean if Obito isn't referring to the entire planet or even the planet's surface?

Well, we know that the "world" that the Sage of Six Paths created isn't necessarily the literal planet but the world as it is in their era; a world of Shinobi, the world where they live in which Obito sees as hell. The "world" that he wants to erase not be blowing up the planet or the planet's surface, but by trapping everyone inside the Infinite Tsukuyomi. When Obito says he's going to "erase the world", then to me it's very easy to see this as a metaphor for "He's going to use the sword to defeat them, then everyone will be trapped inside the infinite Genjutsu, erasing the world." How does this line up with the Sage of Six Paths using the sword to "create the world"? Well, the sword notably resembles a strand of DNA - and we know that Hagoromo altered people to grant them the ability to use chakra even though we don't see how. I'm aware this is equally conjecutral but it seems to me that Hagoromo could have use the sword to "create the world" by using it to grant people chakra.


I haven't gone through the rest of the OP yet, but based on the issue with interpretations above, I can say that I at least don't think the Sword of Nunoboko should be solidly High 6-A based just on Obito's statement. But I'm fine with a compromise rating.
 
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I think the destruction part of the statement is pretty blatant but i do agree that im not entirely sold on the creating and terraforming the planet thing given that a lot of this is based on super vague history that doesnt always align. and the world that hagoromo created could just be referring to the single continent where most of the series takes place, this would be a High 6-A feat anyway. but at the same time i dont think the interpretation is entirely unreasonable given the larger context of the ten tails with all its life wiping statements.

I think a Possibly Compromise should be okay.
 
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Yep. There is basically nothing to disagree with. Agree with everything but need clarification on Kushina. Her holding Kurama down is more of a LS feat, unless we are attributing that to be AP as well. Any thoughts? Also, why do y'all do my boy Minato like this? Can't you just overlook and give him the scale?💀
 
I'll comment on the High 6-B stuff once we've covered the Sword of Nunoboko because I've got some thoughts on that too, but don't want to have mutliple overlapping topics active.
 
So the characters in the top tiers are separated into multiple sub-tiers.

2nd Form Juubi Tier: 98,35 TT (6-B+)
Also scales to Post-Zenkai Advanced KCM2 Naruto, Half Kurama, KCM Minato, Revived Madara, Base Edo Hashirama Mokuton.

3rd Form Juubi: 100 TT (up scales to High 6-B)
Scales to Tobirama's Tandem Paper Bomb

Full Power Kurama Tier: 196,7 TT (2x Half Kurama who scales to 2nd Form Juubi)
Scales to SM Edo Hashirama Mokuton, Alive Base Hashirama Mokuton, Madara's Perfect Susano'o, Unstable Juubito, Kushina's chains.

50% Juubito tier: 200 TT
BSM Naruto, Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o or Senjutsu Susano'o, Possibly KCM Minato, Alive Madara Perfect Susano'o.

Majestic Attire Susano'o Tier: 396,7 TT
Alive SM Hashirama Mokuton.

Juubito Tier: 400 TT
Naruto and Sasuke's Majestic Attire Susano'o.
 
The characters in the last two tiers could maybe be upscaled to High 6-B+, which is 430 Teratons, less than 10% away.

400 TT = 4x Juubidama < BSM Naruto + Senjutsu Susano'o combined attack >(0,5x) Senjutsu Susano'o (over 200 TT) < Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o < Alive Madara's Perfect Susano'o (should be a pretty large gap, Madara mentioned Sasuke didn't even come close to his power)

396,7 TT < Madara's PS + Kurama < Hashirama Shinsusenju

This probably will end up being circular scaling though, since this depends on Juubito as an anchor and Juubito would probably upscale from Hashirama.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
No you're misunderstanding my point, Minato's base is 4.3 Gigatons. Meaning to reach the ~200 Teratons, Kurama would have to add pm ~199.9957 Teratons, aka pm all of the ~200 Teratons. But for Naruto Kurama is only adding ~100 Teratons. I'm saying it makes 0 sense for Minato's half of Kurama to be twice as strong as Naruto's half of Kurama, and it only makes sense if you say base Minato = half Kurama, which we simply do not accept.
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Well this key IS Edo version and it’s already said that they are weaker in that state
 
I do think its important to remember that Madara & Obito were suppressing the Juubi when Naruto shared his Chakra. As soon as Madara eases up, the Juubi essentially ignored the enhanced Shadow Possession.

Aside from that, I agree.
 
First off, I'd like to apologize for not running this by you before posting. There was no cynical reason behind it, we just wanted to get this out of the way as quickly as possible so we can focus on more urgent matters like Speed and LS. There's also the issue that I may get busy soon, so we wanted to get this out there before that happened. There's also not that many characters to discuss, so it's probably fine to hash everything out on the thread itself.
I promise that won't be the case with Speed and LS lol
Damage3245 said:
First off, I'm fully aware I don't have any scans that can objectively refute this - but I don't think that this interpretation of Obito's statement is solid and that there are other meanings for it.

It strikes me as conjectural that Hagoromo "creating the world" refers to him terraforming the planet when this was never seen in the series or implied anywhere else aside from potentially this statement. We also don't have any evidence of massive surface-level destruction of the Earth during Hagoromo's and Hamura's battle with the 10-Tails. It's been a while since I've seen the anime episode that showed this, but that would probably back it up.

Now, what else could it mean if Obito isn't referring to the entire planet or even the planet's surface?

Well, we know that the "world" that the Sage of Six Paths created isn't necessarily the literal planet but the world as it is in their era; a world of Shinobi, the world where they live in which Obito sees as hell. The "world" that he wants to erase not be blowing up the planet or the planet's surface, but by trapping everyone inside the Infinite Tsukuyomi. When Obito says he's going to "erase the world", then to me it's very easy to see this as a metaphor for "He's going to use the sword to defeat them, then everyone will be trapped inside the infinite Genjutsu, erasing the world." How does this line up with the Sage of Six Paths using the sword to "create the world"? Well, the sword notably resembles a strand of DNA - and we know that Hagoromo altered people to grant them the ability to use chakra even though we don't see how. I'm aware this is equally conjecutral but it seems to me that Hagoromo could have use the sword to "create the world" by using it to grant people chakra.
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This is more Arc's argument than it is mine, so I'll let him defend it, but the only reason I even entertained the idea over the Infinite Tsukuyomi interpretation you brought forth (which I subscribed to previously) is that the raws apparently mention literal destruction as opposed to a metaphorical one. I do think your interpretation has merit, which is why I'm not really against a compromise rating, but I'd like to wait and see Arc's take.
Also, yeah, we can check the anime's version of the Juubi fight to see if it backs this up in any way.
Damage3245 said:
I haven't gone through the rest of the OP yet, but based on the issue with interpretations above, I can say that I at least don't think the Sword of Nunoboko should be solidly High 6-A based just on Obito's statement. But I'm fine with a compromise rating.
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Alright, I guess I'll wait until this is settled before hearing your thoughts on the rest of the OP.
 
Padaruyos said:
How high would the average ninja scale when Naruto gave them the cloaks? 6-C?
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Assuming my interpretation in the OP is accepted, then the ones that have feats could scale to 6-C with the Kyuubi cloaks, yes. If we give them Kyuubi Cloak keys/ratings, anyway.
 
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