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I agree with most of what the revision brought and I will go over some of the topics, I think needs to be worked on. Lucifer is a fan favorite so I will be going over him and his family first. Now I do agree that Lucifer and the Presence are nowhere near 1-A but I feel Low 1-C is also a tad bit too low. I suggest we rather remove possible 1-C from their profile because in actuality they seem to be fine with just 1-C.
Silver City:
To start off we already scale Vertigo Creation to 2-A and the Silver City to Low 1-C. Yahweh or the Presence made it with just his breath alongside all the residents in the Darkness before Creation. (Sandman Vol.2 #24)
We've come to the agreement that the Silver City is qualitatively superior to that of a 2-A structure and in this case the Presence “creation.” What we also know is that he can uneasily do this action and make a Low 1-C structure without issue. When the siege on was implemented it was the notion that Yahweh can easily undo all the actions done and save Creation as well as the City itself. (Lucifer Vol.1 #68) This is self-evident because the siege takes place outside the City in the place called “Armageddon Plain.” Elaine literally remade Hell and fix Heaven while learning Godhood.
Elaine Belloc:
Not to mention the entirety of Creation would see as an ant to Elaine. This shows she is qualitatively superior to 2-A Creation and as well as the City due to the fact she can create and destroy on the scale Yahweh could now that she is “God.” Simply by thinking too hard, she could destroy Creation.
She can just easily make and unmake Low 1-C structures and beings with just her will alone. (Lucifer Vol.1 #72). Obviously, there is already the fact that Vertigo Creation is far larger than the standard Low 2-C Universal model with a degree of infinity or two to achieve a Low 1-C. She can just make them at will and all she has to do is just will it to happen. Her very powers are an infinity greater than a Low 1-C structure. That's already around three levels of qualitative superiority over the standard Low 2-C Universe model.
We know that the Creation holds an infinite space-time continuum which is 2-A. Outside these worlds are realms such as afterlives which are corresponded with infinite dimensions as I mentioned in another post. Her superiority over the words gives her one qualitative superiority and her being above the realms gives her two qualitative superiority and the realms are already considered Low 1-C by that degree she is three or five transcendence over Creation which is warranted for 1-C. (Lucifer Vol.1 #21)
Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos:
When God made the world he started with the host and starting with the Host he began with Michael and Lucifer. He made them to be his intermediaries to enact Creation. (Lucifer Vol.1 #26)
Michael was vested with the Demiurgic Power of God, the word of fire that builds and breaks. (Lucifer Vol.1 #11) With this power, he can accomplish things only God can do such as remaking every part of Existence. (Lucifer Vol.1 #53) This is important because he was remaking the Silver City and the Angels as well because Uriel was talking about all aspects of Creation including their own “substance.” God's name is written in every atom of Creation including the Silver City. (Lucifer Vol.1 #40) Every part of Creation is glued together by his name, atoms or substance is describing all parts. (Lucifer Vol.1 #56)
Michaels's power was described as a “spark that expands forever, an ocean of power with no shore.” (Lucifer Vol.1 #39) This means Michael bears limitless powers enough to sustain a Low 1-C structure. Even without trying he easily broke part of the City (Lucifer Vol.1 #44) suggesting he if intended he could destroy it because if God can, so can Michael. Bearing an the aspect of infinity is still infinity. (Lucifer Vol.1 #49)
The whole point of the City is for a home for the Host. The Host's purpose is for Michael and Lucifer to have a context for their action and to reflect on their actions. If they were ever needed it was because God intended that way. (Lucifer Vol.1 #39) Lucifer and Michael scale above the Host (Lucifer Vol.1 #40) and the City because even with those they were the best of his Creation. (Lucifer Vol.1 #38)
They inherit his power as great as his own. (Lucifer Vol.1 #37) Being an aspect of an infinite totality they possess the power to do what he can do. (Lucifer Vol.1 #75)
Lucifer's mere willpower shattered the Mansions of Silence. Which contains part of Heaven, infinite Creation, and is a place further and larger than Heaven. (Lucifer Vol.1 #36-37)
Lucifer broke a Low 1-C structure just by being there. Alongside his brother who is superior to the City and scale of the powers of the Presence. Superior to the Endless.
The Presence(Yahweh):
The fathers of all the angels and the Lord of Host. He is the God of Creation and the Covenant (Lucifer Vol.1 #42) and created the beginning.
Silver City:
To start off we already scale Vertigo Creation to 2-A and the Silver City to Low 1-C. Yahweh or the Presence made it with just his breath alongside all the residents in the Darkness before Creation. (Sandman Vol.2 #24)
We've come to the agreement that the Silver City is qualitatively superior to that of a 2-A structure and in this case the Presence “creation.” What we also know is that he can uneasily do this action and make a Low 1-C structure without issue. When the siege on was implemented it was the notion that Yahweh can easily undo all the actions done and save Creation as well as the City itself. (Lucifer Vol.1 #68) This is self-evident because the siege takes place outside the City in the place called “Armageddon Plain.” Elaine literally remade Hell and fix Heaven while learning Godhood.
Elaine Belloc:
Not to mention the entirety of Creation would see as an ant to Elaine. This shows she is qualitatively superior to 2-A Creation and as well as the City due to the fact she can create and destroy on the scale Yahweh could now that she is “God.” Simply by thinking too hard, she could destroy Creation.
She can just easily make and unmake Low 1-C structures and beings with just her will alone. (Lucifer Vol.1 #72). Obviously, there is already the fact that Vertigo Creation is far larger than the standard Low 2-C Universal model with a degree of infinity or two to achieve a Low 1-C. She can just make them at will and all she has to do is just will it to happen. Her very powers are an infinity greater than a Low 1-C structure. That's already around three levels of qualitative superiority over the standard Low 2-C Universe model.
We know that the Creation holds an infinite space-time continuum which is 2-A. Outside these worlds are realms such as afterlives which are corresponded with infinite dimensions as I mentioned in another post. Her superiority over the words gives her one qualitative superiority and her being above the realms gives her two qualitative superiority and the realms are already considered Low 1-C by that degree she is three or five transcendence over Creation which is warranted for 1-C. (Lucifer Vol.1 #21)
Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos:
When God made the world he started with the host and starting with the Host he began with Michael and Lucifer. He made them to be his intermediaries to enact Creation. (Lucifer Vol.1 #26)
Michael was vested with the Demiurgic Power of God, the word of fire that builds and breaks. (Lucifer Vol.1 #11) With this power, he can accomplish things only God can do such as remaking every part of Existence. (Lucifer Vol.1 #53) This is important because he was remaking the Silver City and the Angels as well because Uriel was talking about all aspects of Creation including their own “substance.” God's name is written in every atom of Creation including the Silver City. (Lucifer Vol.1 #40) Every part of Creation is glued together by his name, atoms or substance is describing all parts. (Lucifer Vol.1 #56)
Michaels's power was described as a “spark that expands forever, an ocean of power with no shore.” (Lucifer Vol.1 #39) This means Michael bears limitless powers enough to sustain a Low 1-C structure. Even without trying he easily broke part of the City (Lucifer Vol.1 #44) suggesting he if intended he could destroy it because if God can, so can Michael. Bearing an the aspect of infinity is still infinity. (Lucifer Vol.1 #49)
The whole point of the City is for a home for the Host. The Host's purpose is for Michael and Lucifer to have a context for their action and to reflect on their actions. If they were ever needed it was because God intended that way. (Lucifer Vol.1 #39) Lucifer and Michael scale above the Host (Lucifer Vol.1 #40) and the City because even with those they were the best of his Creation. (Lucifer Vol.1 #38)
They inherit his power as great as his own. (Lucifer Vol.1 #37) Being an aspect of an infinite totality they possess the power to do what he can do. (Lucifer Vol.1 #75)
Lucifer's mere willpower shattered the Mansions of Silence. Which contains part of Heaven, infinite Creation, and is a place further and larger than Heaven. (Lucifer Vol.1 #36-37)
Lucifer broke a Low 1-C structure just by being there. Alongside his brother who is superior to the City and scale of the powers of the Presence. Superior to the Endless.
The Presence(Yahweh):
The fathers of all the angels and the Lord of Host. He is the God of Creation and the Covenant (Lucifer Vol.1 #42) and created the beginning.
- Yahweh is the manifest face that mankind has fashioned from their collective beliefs and dreams, which is why Yahweh said he was fashioned by external forces. God is eternal and formless as the boundless voidand acts through many aspects like The Voice or Yahweh.
- The power of dreams and beliefs changes the world in a timeless way — from the very beginning to the end, so when humanity's collective beliefs and dreams gave a face to God (Yahweh), time history changed so that Yahweh was always the creator of the world.