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The Return of The Fire Force Revision Threads!!!

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Maitreya12

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Hello there everyone

Sorry for the delay, but I'd happily like to inform that yes, I am in fact back again, and I will be continuing my Fire Force goonery :devilish:

Ability additions versions this time 🎉

Anyways, to summarize the main purpose of this CRT, I have recently completed an ability additions blog for the Fire Force verse which I would like to propose be added to the qualifying profiles. The blog will be linked down below as all relevant information, justifications, and evidence are all neatly organized in the blog itself, but I will also be adding the arguments here as well for simplicities sake so they can all be viewed properly and discussed.

With that said, let's begin:

The Blog:​


The Arguments:​

Composite Ability Additions for Adolla:​

This section is meant to demonstrate that The Evangelist as well as Haumea by extension should be receiving the composite abilities from every character presented in the series.

The evidence for this claim is quite substantial and thus should be one of the easier additions to prove:

First, it is explicitly noted that upon Haumea fusing the souls of the other pillars into her own being, she receives the power they had within them. Including things such as Inca's precognition, or Amaterasu's madness, or divine blessing were all received due to Haumea's merger with other souls in the series and thus receiving their power in turn as they fused with her very being.

Now how does this then attribute to the rest of the characters in Fire Force? Well the answer is simple and it's because upon fusing with the collective unconscious of all of humanity (The Evangelist), Haumea also fused with the consciousness and souls of all of humanity as well through The Evangelist. It's even made abundant;y clear and outright stated that mankind's consciousness is becoming one with her very being as well.

Thus, due to the nature of how fusing with souls work in Fire Force, Adolla and Haumea should receive every ability from every character presented in the series. Abilities such as Faeri's gravity manipulation, Joker's illusion inducement, and the myriad of other fire based abilities presented in the series should be attributed to Adolla as well due to the fact that it inherently carries and merges with the consciousness and souls of all humanity.

If that wasn't enough, it's also made explicitly clear that some of the abilities character exhibit in the series, such as Arthur's plot manipulation for example, are only possible due to said character connecting with Adolla in the first place and receiving ITS power into them. Not an inherent ability on their own, only through Adolla's connection are these abilities of imagination possible, which is also made clear in the series as well.

The Mind and Soul are Intrinsically connected with one another:​

I also don't believe there will be too much contention with this proposition either because I believe the evidence demonstrating this position is well substantiated within the series:

As known and made clear, Adolla and The Evangelist is simply the collective unconscious of all humanity. Where all the thoughts, ideas, concepts, and conscious of humanity arrive and culminate at. And as previously noted in the cosmology blog, this includes the very history that humanity has cultivated throughout the ages. The very "mind" and "consciousness" of humanity is carried and manifested within Adolla and The Evangelist.

To further truly hammer this point home, Adolla doesn't just carry within it the consciousness of not only each individual person in the series, but also forms a completely separate and total personality of each individual person based solely upon the perceptions of other people surrounding that person.

But this doesn't just include the "mind" of humanity, but Adolla carries within it the souls of all humanity as well within its very being. It is even explicitly noted that Haumea isn't just fusing with the "souls" with humanity, but their "consciousness" as well. Want even more proof? The tears Haumea is shedding is very plainly stated to be the consciousness of all of humanity becoming one into Haumea's being, these very exact same tears are what Shinra uses to revive all of humanity from death. Even those who had previously died way before the world had been engulfed in flames. The tears are that are stated to be "the consciousness of humanity" are the very same tears Haumea says are "being turned back into souls" which perfectly lines up with the earlier statement of Haumea fusing with humanity's total consciousness as well as their souls.

If that wasn't enough as well, but when Shinra performs soul resonance with his mother and his brother, it's noted that he's not just fusing together their souls with one another, but also another fundamental aspect of them too which is their very "hearts" being fused as well as their souls into his being. The "heart" here in this instance meaning to encompass the "consciousness" and "mind" of the individual as well as Shinra is perfoming this fusion with his mother who is The Evangelist's doppelgänger, which as noted previously, is simply conciseness incarnate. Shinra would be fusing with consciousness itself as well as their soul into him.

This can even later be seen in Soul Eater as well as when Maka is performing soul resonance with Soul, she's able to enter his mind and once again its stated that not only are their souls connected but their "hearts" as well. It's even to the point where Soul can directly hear what's going on inside Maka's head due to this connection between both their minds and souls.

This I believe to all be sufficient enough proof that demonstrates the mind, heart, and soul are all interconnected with one another in the series.

Adolla's Conceptual Manipulation:​

This section of the blog is meant to establish how the warping done to reality by Adolla is done on a conceptual level:

As is firmly established, Adolla is simply an assembly of pure human ideation itself. It is completely and totally made up of imaginations and concepts, and through these perceptions, this world of ideas merges with the real world itself, causing all of reality to be totally altered in every way.

The reason this warping is done on a conceptual level is due to the fact that the changes presented in the series are only done through humanities perceptions of the things that are being altered. The "idea" and "concept" people have over the moon is what the moon becomes and inevitably stays as through Fire Force's continuing series, Soul Eater.

There are many more examples indicating and showcasing Adolla's warping is done on a conceptual level as well. For example, the very idea of "pi" in of itself was not only altered on a conceptual level from being "insolvable" and "never ending" into becoming a "solvable" equation, but the very idea of what "pi" was, was in fact created by The Evangelist itself too. This is directly in line with Adolla being explicitly stated to embody the very concept of "mathematics" itself as well, so this example should come as no surprise and is well supported in the series.

Another example of this is when the universe straight up changes from reality into fiction. Reminder that the shift in reality occurs only as a result of human perception. How humans perceived and imagined "the world" to be was what "the world" ended up becoming upon Adolla's attempted merger 250 years prior to the beginning of the series, and thus changed the universe from "a real life one" into "a fictional one" through these perceptions and ideas of what "the universe" inherently is. The very "concepts of the people of the past mixed with the world" and thus changed the very idea of what "the world" was in the minds of humans due to the fact that Adolla is bringing those concepts into the real world and thus changing reality into the concept and idea people have over all of reality. This is the reason the stars become a very conventional star shaped blocks in the sky as it matches humanities idea of what a "star" is in their heads.

This is even more supported over the fact that there are multiple people who survived the last cataclysm 250 years ago, but have absolutely no recollection that fabric reality had been totally changed from what it once was. No knowledge or idea of what the universe once was is remembered by humanity despite humans still being around after the first cataclysm failed. This is because the very universe in of itself was changed into the idea of what the universe was in humanities mind. Again, completely supported on the fact that Adolla also embodies the concept of "the world" itself as well.

The warping done on the universe as a result of Adolla is done on a conceptual level because Adolla is carrying those concepts of humanity within it and changing what reality is based on the concepts and ideas humans have over said portion of reality.

Arthur Boyle Plot Manipulation:​

This section is meant to determine the plot manipulation surrounding Arthur Boyle (and Adolla by extension.)

To cut straight to the heart of the point, all of the supernatural abilities Arthur Boyle has demonstrated throughout the later half of the series has been explained and it's through his power to change the very narrative of the story itself.

This can be seen through many examples in throughout the series and this ability is even passive in regards to Arthur, as even him doing something completely simple and mundane as playing a video game passively alters the course of the story around them. Note this ability of passively altering the course of the story by playing a video game is already even listed in Arthur's own profile as well, however this is meant to properly establish the true nature of Arthur's abilities. This power further gets hammered home especially during Arthur's climactic fight with Dragon.

Here his power is on full display. The way Arthur is changing the narrative of the story is by envisioning it to be a video game, and himself the main character of said video game. Through this changing of the narrative brought on entirely by Arthur's own grand delusions about himself, he is able to do things far beyond the scope of any previous shown reality warping. Things such as manifesting entirely random and new powers such as turning his sword into a compass not unlike in a video game, using "magic" to teleport himself, or manipulating lightning in the skies to perform a devastating attack. His passive plot manipulation also continues to work even further as even when Arthur heads into space, he did not feel the effects of space simply due to them not realizing they were meant to be affected yet as even the narrator points out. The effects of things like oxygen deficiency only begin to take hold once Arthur realizes he can't breathe in space, however this doesn't affect Dragon as he envisions himself to be a "force of nature" and "a dragon" much like Arthur sees himself as a main character in a video game.

This "changing the narrative" ability into a video game even becomes so blatant that upon putting on the star ring, video game text appeared saying how Arthur "equipped" the star ring as one would an item in a video game, and the fact that the narrator even starts expressing the fight's progression akin to that of a boss fight in a game as well. This ring by the way was simply a normal ring gifted to him by a friend, but Arthur's envisions of this ring as that of an item in a game he would equip as the main character in, he changed this ring's uses and connected to Adolla itself. Hell it can even be directly shown how Arhur's own ability demonstrations directly match that of the video game he was playing earlier as the same pixel like scales of a video appears in the real world in a completely mismatched style as it matches that of a "video game," not that of a "manga."

This connection to Adolla allows him to manipulate the plot around him as the power of Adolla does not only change the reality of the world around them, but inherently affects and changes the story itself as well. Note that the kanji being used here is in reference to both "world" and "the story" itself as well and was even taken notice of in an editor's note, citing how the usage of this term story was probably important for later. And it had been as just 4 chapters later after this statement of Adolla changing the very story itself was made, Arthur's "changing the narrative" statement was also followed up with, showcasing how the changing of the plot around them through Adolla's power is both explicitly and consistently said in the series.

Adolla's Higher Dimensional Existence:​

This section is meant to establish the Higher Dimensional Nature of The Evangelist.

As noted previously, the Adolla world is a higher plane of reality completely disconnected from the real world. The Evangelist has been described as a trancendent plane that's simply far beyond human comprehension and imagination. It is directly referred to as a higher plane than reality multiple times over the course of the series and it has the showings and support to back up such claims.

First it's important to note that the specific kanji being used in reference to Adolla embodying all the concepts such as the "higher dimension" in of itself, is used in reference to mean a mathematically higher dimension than the real world. Indicating qualitative superiority in the statement. This notion is further backed up over the fact that Adolla embodies and encompasses the concept of "mathematics" alongside with the higher dimension and even has such feats to support the notion such as creating and manipulating mathematical concepts such as the never ending concept of pi.

The Evangelist also has other notable showing that showcase its higher dimensional existence status in comparison to lower dimension beings too. For example, lower dimensional beings cannot even so much as grasp the Adolla flame due to its higher dimensional nature, and immediately causes those that try to instantly burn up and die. Furthermore, even so much as attempting to gaze onto the Adolla world and The Evangelists' true form comes with its own hefty price as it is akin to trying to stare at the very sun itself and will burn up your eyes and take away your vision as compensation for so much as even trying to gaze at this higher dimensional entity.

These showings, as well as the specific statements used to refer to Adolla as a mathematically higher dimensional entity should be enough to qualify for the Higher Dimensional Existence rating for Adolla and those that scale.

The Nature of The Evangelists' Fate Manipulation:​

This section of the blog is meant to provide a cohesive explanation for the Fate Manipulation presented in the series.

One of the many abilities Haumea showcases in her fight with both Sho and Shinra is the ability to manipulate the concept of fate itself so that she cannot be touched or harmed in any way. This makes her completely untouchable and impervious to all attacks even if you were to stop time itself and halt her movements. This fate manipulation ability is completely passive in regards to her. But how exactly does this ability operate?

As explained in the Fire Force series, the power they are using stems purely from imagination. And the power of imagination as outlined in the series is the power and ability to create and erase "all possibilities" presented. Everything is formed out of imagination and in turn everything is erased from it as well. It is the very power that forms all of creation itself as Haumea cites to the newly god status of Shinrabanshoman.

Haumea uses this power of erasing all possibilities to create an invisible space around her in which absolutely nothing can be created within her domain as all possibilities within the space are erased through imagination. This is to the point where not so much as "even a breeze" can be created within her space due to this ability of altering the very idea of fate itself.

Due to the nature of this ability, passive Fate and Probability Manipulation should be listed on Haumea's profile where no possibilities can be created within the space she resides in.

Final Note:​

All abilities cited here as well as the composite abilities addition for Adolla should apply and be added to Shinra Kusukabe's profile as well as the other aforementioned affected character.

This is due to the fact that this scaling for Shinra is not just from him scaling massively higher than even Adolla itself, but from the direct citation of Shinra gaining the power of all of creation upon attaining his Shinrabanshoman form. The power of Shinrabanshoman is direct based off his imagination. Imagination being the thing in Fire Force that both creates and erases all actions and possibilities presented in the series. Not only that, but Shinra himself has displayed total control over both the consciousness and souls of all of humanity that make up the composite abilities that Adolla has control over, as well as showing control over the very despair itself that compose Adolla in the first place. And not only controlled those souls to revive everyone in place, but also changed the very depiction of the world just as Adolla had done prior to the world which included the universal concepts that govern reality when he had reformed all of creation once more from what it once was prior.

Due to Shinra's placement as "God" in the series as well as the direct citation of Shinra's power being that of all of creation including all possibilities in the series, he should receive the composite additions of all abilities presented in the series alongside Adolla as well.
 
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@Maitreya Before disagreeing with Nature Type 2 I want to know what specific evidence made you think this is Type 2. Most of what you used as evidence for Type 2 is just a decoration of a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with NEP at all.
Ah. I may have screwed up on which NEP I was intending on as this may be more akin to type 3 NEP. The evidence used for type 3 can found right here where it is stated that Adolla both exists and doesn’t at the same time due to it being a world of pure perception. Which I also go more in depth in

I believe this applies for type 3 NEP because as outlined on the page, in terms of a binary this would be the equivalent to being 1 and 0 at the same time.

Adolla should already qualify as a 0 in terms of a binary system as it is made up purely of thoughts and imagination. I believe this qualifies as a thought (as in like the thought bubbles you see is used for a characters’ thought) lacks any ontological “real” material existence in the same way a rock lacks a soul.

Thanks for clarifying.
 
Adolla should already qualify as a 0 in terms of a binary system as it is made up purely of thoughts and imagination. I believe this qualifies as a thought (as in like the thought bubbles you see is used for a characters’ thought) lacks any ontological “real” material existence in the same way a rock lacks a soul.
I would rather argue over AE type 1 for this because despite the ontological superiority, it's still a concept that exists
 
Since it seems like no one here is gonna mention this, i guess I'll be the one to do it. There is no NEP 2 here, hell there's no NEP at all. This is all about adolla being an abstraction, an ideal, a concept so of course it doesn't physically exist. Everything about existing and not existing is merely a play on words that's diverting attention away from the fact that Abstractions don't physically exist to make the reader view this as NEP.

I'll drop my opinions on the rest later. For now, only the NEP caught my attention
 
Since it seems like no one here is gonna mention this, i guess I'll be the one to do it. There is no NEP 2 here, hell there's no NEP at all. This is all about adolla being an abstraction, an ideal, a concept so of course it doesn't physically exist. Everything about existing and not existing is merely a play on words that's diverting attention away from the fact that Abstractions don't physically exist to make the reader view this as NEP.

I'll drop my opinions on the rest later. For now, only the NEP caught my attention
Let's see, I had already thought that type 3 could be a valid option.... But I am trying not to think that "exists and doesn't at the same time" is being taken out of context here, because it is clearly said that it is a world of pure perception, it is existent because it always existed due to the nature of the adolla it is non-existent to normal perception since only certain individuals can perceive that world.

and this

as it is made up purely of thoughts and imagination.

Seems just like Abstract stuffs, like the very definition of the adolla does not say that it is a non-existent nature, just ideas, laws and more stuffs

@Maitreya could help me understanding this thoughs of mine.
 
Since it seems like no one here is gonna mention this, i guess I'll be the one to do it. There is no NEP 2 here, hell there's no NEP at all. This is all about adolla being an abstraction, an ideal, a concept so of course it doesn't physically exist. Everything about existing and not existing is merely a play on words that's diverting attention away from the fact that Abstractions don't physically exist to make the reader view this as NEP.
I disagree. Only because we can't observe things, does not imply they are nonexistent in the sense of "none-interactable" because according to your definition, NPI's role will refute what you are trying to imply.

And one more thing to consider, according to this, material non-existence does not exist in your definition, they also don't exist materially
 
Let's see, I had already thought that type 3 could be a valid option.... But I am trying not to think that "exists and doesn't at the same time" is being taken out of context here, because it is clearly said that it is a world of pure perception, it is existent because it always existed due to the nature of the adolla it is non-existent to normal perception since only certain individuals can perceive that world.

and this

as it is made up purely of thoughts and imagination.

Seems just like Abstract stuffs, like the very definition of the adolla does not say that it is a non-existent nature, just ideas, laws and more stuffs (edited)
Just to quickly clarify something, but in terms of qualifying as materially nonexistent, like a 0 in terms of a binary system, would Adolla not already qualify as that for being composed of thoughts itself?

It’s not just the abstraction of things, Adolla itself is composed of the very thoughts and subconscious of humanity itself. It absorbs the thoughts of humanity. And from my understanding at least wouldn’t this qualify as a thought, like the thought bubbles we see representing a character’s mind, lacks any real ontological existence, like the same way a rock lacks a soul. At least that’s from what I understood of it.
 
Let's see, I had already thought that type 3 could be a valid option.... But I am trying not to think that "exists and doesn't at the same time" is being taken out of context here, because it is clearly said that it is a world of pure perception, it is existent because it always existed due to the nature of the adolla it is non-existent to normal perception since only certain individuals can perceive that world.

and this

as it is made up purely of thoughts and imagination.

Seems just like Abstract stuffs, like the very definition of the adolla does not say that it is a non-existent nature, just ideas, laws and more stuffs

@Maitreya could help me understanding this thoughs of mine.
I disagree. Only because we can't observe things, does not imply they are nonexistent in the sense of "none-interactable" because according to your definition, NPI's role will refute what you are trying to imply.

And one more thing to consider, according to this, material non-existence does not exist in your definition, they also don't exist materially
The scan says "While it may appear to exist, it doesn't" lemme rephrase that for you, "while it may appear to be real, it isn't".
It doesn't exist because it isn't physical, it isn't real, it lacks form, mass, all forms of matter, why? Because it is merely thought, perception, an abstraction. Look past the word "exist" being used.

Joker bringing back an ember means nothing. Adolla is a world of pure thought, imagination. Their minds being dragged there, joker feeling the sensation of the stones around could've caused it to materialize when their minds returned.

Nothing here is NEP
 
Wait, are y'all arguing from the point of material nonexistence? Are we gonna give all abstracts NEP 1 Aspect 1 now?
 
Thoughts do have ontological existence, the entire philosophical study of Idealism objectively proves this. Being comprised of purely imagination or thoughts wouldn't constitute as being non-existent as you still exist, just not on a material level, but rather on an idealized, or abstract level.

That wouldn't constitute NEP at all, it would be Abstract Existence at best.
 
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The scan says "While it may appear to exist, it doesn't" lemme rephrase that for you, "while it may appear to be real, it isn't".
It doesn't exist because it isn't physical, it isn't real, it lacks form, mass, all forms of matter, why? Because it is merely thought, perception, an abstraction. Look past the word "exist" being used.

Joker bringing back an ember means nothing. Adolla is a world of pure thought, imagination. Their minds being dragged there, joker feeling the sensation of the stones around could've caused it to materialize when their minds returned.

Nothing here is NEP
I need to disappoint you..
Characters of this nature often exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds and instead exist as an idea or other unconventional state.
 
Just to quickly clarify something, but in terms of qualifying as materially nonexistent, like a 0 in terms of a binary system, would Adolla not already qualify as that for being composed of thoughts itself?

It’s not just the abstraction of things, Adolla itself is composed of the very thoughts and subconscious of humanity itself. It absorbs the thoughts of humanity. And from my understanding at least wouldn’t this qualify as a thought, like the thought bubbles we see representing a character’s mind, lacks any real ontological existence, like the same way a rock lacks a soul. At least that’s from what I understood of it.
NEP Page says this
Characters of this nature often exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds and instead exist as an idea or other unconventional state.
I need to disappoint you..
But this does not mean that by a simple mention of ideas any character will actually get NEP, the usual is to get AE or some kind of conceptual nature, to get NEP you have to emphasize that the user does not exist per se.
Thoughts do have ontological existence, the entire philosophical study of Idealism objectively proves this. Being comprised of purely imagination or thoughts wouldn't constitute as non-existent as you still exist, just not on a material level, but rather on an idealized, or abstract level.

That wouldn't constitute NEP at all.
Exactly, that is why I clarify that it would be a case of abstraction.
 
Hello there everyone

Sorry for the delay, but I'd happily like to inform that yes, I am in fact back again, and I will be continuing my Fire Force goonery :devilish:

Ability additions versions this time 🎉

Anyways, to summarize the main purpose of this CRT, I have recently completed an ability additions blog for the Fire Force verse which I would like to propose be added to the qualifying profiles. The blog will be linked down below as all relevant information, justifications, and evidence are all neatly organized in the blog itself, but I will also be adding the arguments here as well for simplicities sake so they can all be viewed properly and discussed.

With that said, let's begin:

The Blog:​


The Arguments:​

Composite Ability Additions for Adolla:​

This section is meant to demonstrate that The Evangelist as well as Haumea by extension should be receiving the composite abilities from every character presented in the series.

The evidence for this claim is quite substantial and thus should be one of the easier additions to prove:

First, it is explicitly noted that upon Haumea fusing the souls of the other pillars into her own being, she receives the power they had within them. Including things such as Inca's precognition, or Amaterasu's madness, or divine blessing were all received due to Haumea's merger with other souls in the series and thus receiving their power in turn as they fused with her very being.

Now how does this then attribute to the rest of the characters in Fire Force? Well the answer is simple and it's because upon fusing with the collective unconscious of all of humanity (The Evangelist), Haumea also fused with the consciousness and souls of all of humanity as well through The Evangelist. It's even made abundant;y clear and outright stated that mankind's consciousness is becoming one with her very being as well.

Thus, due to the nature of how fusing with souls work in Fire Force, Adolla and Haumea should receive every ability from every character presented in the series. Abilities such as Faeri's gravity manipulation, Joker's illusion inducement, and the myriad of other fire based abilities presented in the series should be attributed to Adolla as well due to the fact that it inherently carries and merges with the consciousness and souls of all humanity.

If that wasn't enough, it's also made explicitly clear that some of the abilities character exhibit in the series, such as Arthur's plot manipulation for example, are only possible due to said character connecting with Adolla in the first place and receiving ITS power into them. Not an inherent ability on their own, only through Adolla's connection are these abilities of imagination possible, which is also made clear in the series as well.

The Mind and Soul are Intrinsically connected with one another:​

I also don't believe there will be too much contention with this proposition either because I believe the evidence demonstrating this position is well substantiated within the series:

As known and made clear, Adolla and The Evangelist is simply the collective unconscious of all humanity. Where all the thoughts, ideas, concepts, and conscious of humanity arrive and culminate at. And as previously noted in the cosmology blog, this includes the very history that humanity has cultivated throughout the ages. The very "mind" and "consciousness" of humanity is carried and manifested within Adolla and The Evangelist.

To further truly hammer this point home, Adolla doesn't just carry within it the consciousness of not only each individual person in the series, but also forms a completely separate and total personality of each individual person based solely upon the perceptions of other people surrounding that person.

But this doesn't just include the "mind" of humanity, but Adolla carries within it the souls of all humanity as well within its very being. It is even explicitly noted that Haumea isn't just fusing with the "souls" with humanity, but their "consciousness" as well. Want even more proof? The tears Haumea is shedding is very plainly stated to be the consciousness of all of humanity becoming one into Haumea's being, these very exact same tears are what Shinra uses to revive all of humanity from death. Even those who had previously died way before the world had been engulfed in flames. The tears are that are stated to be "the consciousness of humanity" are the very same tears Haumea says are "being turned back into souls" which perfectly lines up with the earlier statement of Haumea fusing with humanity's total consciousness as well as their souls.

If that wasn't enough as well, but when Shinra performs soul resonance with his mother and his brother, it's noted that he's not just fusing together their souls with one another, but also another fundamental aspect of them too which is their very "hearts" being fused as well as their souls into his being. The "heart" here in this instance meaning to encompass the "consciousness" and "mind" of the individual as well as Shinra is perfoming this fusion with his mother who is The Evangelist's doppelgänger, which as noted previously, is simply conciseness incarnate. Shinra would be fusing with consciousness itself as well as their soul into him.

This can even later be seen in Soul Eater as well as when Maka is performing soul resonance with Soul, she's able to enter his mind and once again its stated that not only are their souls connected but their "hearts" as well. It's even to the point where Soul can directly hear what's going on inside Maka's head due to this connection between both their minds and souls.

This I believe to all be sufficient enough proof that demonstrates the mind, heart, and soul are all interconnected with one another in the series.

Adolla's Conceptual Manipulation:​

This section of the blog is meant to establish how the warping done to reality by Adolla is done on a conceptual level:

As is firmly established, Adolla is simply an assembly of pure human ideation itself. It is completely and totally made up of imaginations and concepts, and through these perceptions, this world of ideas merges with the real world itself, causing all of reality to be totally altered in every way.

The reason this warping is done on a conceptual level is due to the fact that the changes presented in the series are only done through humanities perceptions of the things that are being altered. The "idea" and "concept" people have over the moon is what the moon becomes and inevitably stays as through Fire Force's continuing series, Soul Eater.

There are many more examples indicating and showcasing Adolla's warping is done on a conceptual level as well. For example, the very idea of "pi" in of itself was not only altered on a conceptual level from being "insolvable" and "never ending" into becoming a "solvable" equation, but the very idea of what "pi" was, was in fact created by The Evangelist itself too. This is directly in line with Adolla being explicitly stated to embody the very concept of "mathematics" itself as well, so this example should come as no surprise and is well supported in the series.

Another example of this is when the universe straight up changes from reality into fiction. Reminder that the shift in reality occurs only as a result of human perception. How humans perceived and imagined "the world" to be was what "the world" ended up becoming upon Adolla's attempted merger 250 years prior to the beginning of the series, and thus changed the universe from "a real life one" into "a fictional one" through these perceptions and ideas of what "the universe" inherently is. The very "concepts of the people of the past mixed with the world" and thus changed the very idea of what "the world" was in the minds of humans due to the fact that Adolla is bringing those concepts into the real world and thus changing reality into the concept and idea people have over all of reality. This is the reason the stars become a very conventional star shaped blocks in the sky as it matches humanities idea of what a "star" is in their heads.

This is even more supported over the fact that there are multiple people who survived the last cataclysm 250 years ago, but have absolutely no recollection that fabric reality had been totally changed from what it once was. No knowledge or idea of what the universe once was is remembered by humanity despite humans still being around after the first cataclysm failed. This is because the very universe in of itself was changed into the idea of what the universe was in humanities mind. Again, completely supported on the fact that Adolla also embodies the concept of "the world" itself as well.

The warping done on the universe as a result of Adolla is done on a conceptual level because Adolla is carrying those concepts of humanity within it and changing what reality is based on the concepts and ideas humans have over said portion of reality.

Adolla's Nonexistent Physiology:​

This section is determining the physiology surrounding The Evangelist.

As established previously, The Evangelist is the culmination of humanity's collective unconscious. It is where all thought comes to and thus composes the very physiology of The Evangelist itself. They are not "real" in any sense of the word as Adolla is described as the very final point of all imagination. And because of this bridge between reality and pure thought and human ideation, the two worlds are entirely disconnected from one another.

This nature of Adolla is even visually represented to the reader as it displays the Adolla world simply being composed of the very thoughts humanity has throughout their day to day existence. And this nature of Adolla's existence continues to remain even as it merges with the real world as the minute it does connect to reality, it begins to absorb the thought of humanity which is what composes The Evangelist's very being.

To add even firmer establishment to this point of Adolla being made of nothing more than pure thought and imagination, The Adolla World is directly stated to be both existing and not existing in the real world. And even more so, Shinra and Sho both have to enter the nonexistent, thought based plane within the eyeball of Adolla, which they simply describe as "the world of perception." Shinra even likens this feat to "being totally impossible" as the nonexistent physiology is present in pure perception itself.

To further solidify this point home, we can see a direct instance of this simultaneous existence and nonexistence at the same time. For example the time Joker and Burns had their minds dragged into the world of Adolla. In this instance, Joker's and Burn's minds respectively were both dragged into the Adolla plane while their physical bodies remained in the real world, as is the case each time we see a character is dragged in the Adolla realm, they are having their mind and soul dragged into it, not physically. Yet despite this, Joker was able to grab a piece of rock from the Adolla plane and bring it into the real world despite never moving from the spot, citing how real the Adolla plane was. This is due to the fact that just as cited before, Adolla exists only as a world of perception, of pure thought, and so doesn't "exist" in any real physical sense. But this thought is able to be given form in the real world and is able to both be exist and not exist at the same time due to the inherent nonexistent physiology The Evangelist has.

This disconnection between the existing Adolla in the real world and the non-existing world of perception Adolla even remains as even though Shinra and Haumea are both in the Adolla world, they were still are effecting the real world around them despite the clear distinction between realities making it completely untouchable for humans in the first place. Showcasing the difference between the existing eyeball of Adolla staring down at humanity's subconscious in the real world and the pure world of perception within said eyeball.

As such, I believe this qualifies for Nonexistent Physiology Nature type 3 and Aspects type 1 and 3 due to the mental and spiritual nature of Adolla as explained in the sections above.

Arthur Boyle Plot Manipulation:​

This section is meant to determine the plot manipulation surrounding Arthur Boyle (and Adolla by extension.)

To cut straight to the heart of the point, all of the supernatural abilities Arthur Boyle has demonstrated throughout the later half of the series has been explained and it's through his power to change the very narrative of the story itself.

This can be seen through many examples in throughout the series and this ability is even passive in regards to Arthur, as even him doing something completely simple and mundane as playing a video game passively alters the course of the story around them. Note this ability of passively altering the course of the story by playing a video game is already even listed in Arthur's own profile as well, however this is meant to properly establish the true nature of Arthur's abilities. This power further gets hammered home especially during Arthur's climactic fight with Dragon.

Here his power is on full display. The way Arthur is changing the narrative of the story is by envisioning it to be a video game, and himself the main character of said video game. Through this changing of the narrative brought on entirely by Arthur's own grand delusions about himself, he is able to do things far beyond the scope of any previous shown reality warping. Things such as manifesting entirely random and new powers such as turning his sword into a compass not unlike in a video game, using "magic" to teleport himself, or manipulating lightning in the skies to perform a devastating attack. His passive plot manipulation also continues to work even further as even when Arthur heads into space, he did not feel the effects of space simply due to them not realizing they were meant to be affected yet as even the narrator points out. The effects of things like oxygen deficiency only begin to take hold once Arthur realizes he can't breathe in space, however this doesn't affect Dragon as he envisions himself to be a "force of nature" and "a dragon" much like Arthur sees himself as a main character in a video game.

This "changing the narrative" ability into a video game even becomes so blatant that upon putting on the star ring, video game text appeared saying how Arthur "equipped" the star ring as one would an item in a video game, and the fact that the narrator even starts expressing the fight's progression akin to that of a boss fight in a game as well. This ring by the way was simply a normal ring gifted to him by a friend, but Arthur's envisions of this ring as that of an item in a game he would equip as the main character in, he changed this ring's uses and connected to Adolla itself. Hell it can even be directly shown how Arhur's own ability demonstrations directly match that of the video game he was playing earlier as the same pixel like scales of a video appears in the real world in a completely mismatched style as it matches that of a "video game," not that of a "manga."

This connection to Adolla allows him to manipulate the plot around him as the power of Adolla does not only change the reality of the world around them, but inherently affects and changes the story itself as well. Note that the kanji being used here is in reference to both "world" and "the story" itself as well and was even taken notice of in an editor's note, citing how the usage of this term story was probably important for later. And it had been as just 4 chapters later after this statement of Adolla changing the very story itself was made, Arthur's "changing the narrative" statement was also followed up with, showcasing how the changing of the plot around them through Adolla's power is both explicitly and consistently said in the series.

Adolla's Higher Dimensional Existence:​

This section is meant to establish the Higher Dimensional Nature of The Evangelist.

As noted previously, the Adolla world is a higher plane of reality completely disconnected from the real world. The Evangelist has been described as a trancendent plane that's simply far beyond human comprehension and imagination. It is directly referred to as a higher plane than reality multiple times over the course of the series and it has the showings and support to back up such claims.

First it's important to note that the specific kanji being used in reference to Adolla embodying all the concepts such as the "higher dimension" in of itself, is used in reference to mean a mathematically higher dimension than the real world. Indicating qualitative superiority in the statement. This notion is further backed up over the fact that Adolla embodies and encompasses the concept of "mathematics" alongside with the higher dimension and even has such feats to support the notion such as creating and manipulating mathematical concepts such as the never ending concept of pi.

The Evangelist also has other notable showing that showcase its higher dimensional existence status in comparison to lower dimension beings too. For example, lower dimensional beings cannot even so much as grasp the Adolla flame due to its higher dimensional nature, and immediately causes those that try to instantly burn up and die. Furthermore, even so much as attempting to gaze onto the Adolla world and The Evangelists' true form comes with its own hefty price as it is akin to trying to stare at the very sun itself and will burn up your eyes and take away your vision as compensation for so much as even trying to gaze at this higher dimensional entity.

These showings, as well as the specific statements used to refer to Adolla as a mathematically higher dimensional entity should be enough to qualify for the Higher Dimensional Existence rating for Adolla and those that scale.

The Nature of The Evangelists' Fate Manipulation:​

This section of the blog is meant to provide a cohesive explanation for the Fate Manipulation presented in the series.

One of the many abilities Haumea showcases in her fight with both Sho and Shinra is the ability to manipulate the concept of fate itself so that she cannot be touched or harmed in any way. This makes her completely untouchable and impervious to all attacks even if you were to stop time itself and halt her movements. This fate manipulation ability is completely passive in regards to her. But how exactly does this ability operate?

As explained in the Fire Force series, the power they are using stems purely from imagination. And the power of imagination as outlined in the series is the power and ability to create and erase "all possibilities" presented. Everything is formed out of imagination and in turn everything is erased from it as well. It is the very power that forms all of creation itself as Haumea cites to the newly god status of Shinrabanshoman.

Haumea uses this power of erasing all possibilities to create an invisible space around her in which absolutely nothing can be created within her domain as all possibilities within the space are erased through imagination. This is to the point where not so much as "even a breeze" can be created within her space due to this ability of altering the very idea of fate itself.

Due to the nature of this ability, passive Fate and Probability Manipulation should be listed on Haumea's profile where no possibilities can be created within the space she resides in.

Final Note:​

All abilities cited here as well as the composite abilities addition for Adolla should apply and be added to Shinra Kusukabe's profile as well as the other aforementioned affected character.

This is due to the fact that this scaling for Shinra is not just from him scaling massively higher than even Adolla itself, but from the direct citation of Shinra gaining the power of all of creation upon attaining his Shinrabanshoman form. The power of Shinrabanshoman is direct based off his imagination. Imagination being the thing in Fire Force that both creates and erases all actions and possibilities presented in the series. Not only that, but Shinra himself has displayed total control over both the consciousness and souls of all of humanity that make up the composite abilities that Adolla has control over, as well as showing control over the very despair itself that compose Adolla in the first place. And not only controlled those souls to revive everyone in place, but also changed the very depiction of the world just as Adolla had done prior to the world which included the universal concepts that govern reality when he had reformed all of creation once more from what it once was prior.

Due to Shinra's placement as "God" in the series as well as the direct citation of Shinra's power being that of all of creation including all possibilities in the series, he should receive the composite additions of all abilities presented in the series alongside Adolla as well.
agree with everything
 
NEP Page says this


But this does not mean that by a simple mention of ideas any character will actually get NEP, the usual is to get AE or some kind of conceptual nature, to get NEP you have to emphasize that the user does not exist per se.

Exactly, that is why I clarify that it would be a case of abstraction.
Ok so being a thought or an idea can qualify for NEP so long as there’s specification as to the user not being truly existent. Gotcha.

Then as a question as I heard that you can potentially also qualify for NEP by turning a user into a “dream” or “an illusion” would statements referring to the Adolla plane as “a dream reality” as well as “a world beyond imagination” like a dream support the previous statement of it both existing and not existing at the same time or would it still only qualify for AE?
 
Then as a question as I heard that you can potentially also qualify for NEP by turning a user into a “dream” or “an illusion” would statements referring to the Adolla plane as “a dream reality
Put this way it sounds simply like a Subjective Reality, since it is the evangelist who allows others to enter that abstract world.
It is just another plane of existence which is what adolla is.
I already told you what I think of this extract.
But I am trying not to think that "exists and doesn't at the same time" is being taken out of context here, because it is clearly said that it is a world of pure perception, it is existent because it always existed due to the nature of the adolla it is non-existent to normal perception since only certain individuals can perceive that world.
The adolla by itself already exists in an abstract form, but it does not exist for people who cannot perceive the world of perception, the name itself tells you so.

If there is no further evidence then this would only be AE.
 
Put this way it sounds simply like a Subjective Reality, since it is the evangelist who allows others to enter that abstract world.
Wouldn’t that still qualify though since it says on the subjective reality page that doing such a thing grants the entity nonexistent physiology?

It even says in the same vain that doing this can be done for turning imaginary things real as well, which is something Adolla has also done.
 
It even says in the same vain that doing this can be done for turning imaginary things real as well, which is something Adolla has also done.
This will only be creation
The user is capable of creating and manifesting objects and entities that aren't real at all, and only "exist" in the imagination and dreams of the user and/or other beings.
Wouldn’t that still qualify though since it says on the subjective reality page that doing such a thing grants the entity nonexistent physiology?
Re-reading this scan shinra wonders if the world he saw in his dream is reality.

The evangelist is only separating the user's subconscious and bringing him to that abstract plane but in reality the user is not there but their mind. Users who are dragged by the evangelist are not converted into non-existence and it is shown that they can even enter that plane with their bodies as Sho and shinra did so that possible use is ruled out as the page indicates.
  • Could be limited to what one can change, as well as the period from what can change.
 
  • I agree with the composite ability for Adolla, since she can use ability of anyone she absorbs and all souls came from her, I disagree for shinra though "being the pinnacle" is not enough and having power of all creation is a blanket term.
  • The mind and soul thing I also disagree but "shedding as many tears as those born on this planet" does not mean her tears her humans consciousness it can also mean souls, seeing as that is what they are supposed to be and the rest are mental gymnastics
  • The CM is okay although that would be type 2, since it is not independent of what it governs
  • for NEP, I think some already explained why it is not NEP but AE so I will leave it at that
  • Arthur's ability is subjective reality, he can impose his thought to become real, plot manipulatiion requires some meta-fiction shenanigan which there is none here
  • For the HDE, there needs to be ontological difference between the two worlds or an extra axis, and there is none. The only thing that is close is this, but that is a verse mechanics as the same people from earth with adolla burst can touch the flame and it has been established that you need to be loved by adolla or be a pillar to use or touch the flames. so HDE should be possibly.
  • Fate manipulation is fine
 
  • I agree with the composite ability for Adolla, since she can use ability of anyone she absorbs and all souls came from her, I disagree for shinra though "being the pinnacle" is not enough and having power of all creation is a blanket term.
It’s not just about “him being the pinnacle.” It’s about the direct citation of him gaining the power of “all creation.” Through his imagination.
  • The mind and soul thing I also disagree but "shedding as many tears as those born on this planet" does not mean her tears her humans consciousness it can also mean souls, seeing as that is what they are supposed to be and the rest are mental gymnastics
Pain…this paragraph doesn’t make sense 😑

It’s not about the “shedding as many tears as there are creatures on this planet.” Those tears are the very souls of all of humanity. Even the ones who had died previously before the cataclysm, hence the “as many creatures as born on this planet” part. But anyways it’s directly cited that Haumea is not just fusing with the souls of all of humanity, but it’s very unconsciousness as well. This again is directly clarified to us as it outright says humanities consciousness merged with Adolla.

So it would in fact be the mind and the soul. The soul includes the consciousness as well.
  • The CM is okay although that would be type 2, since it is not independent of what it governs
Ok?
  • for NEP, I think some already explained why it is not NEP but AE so I will leave it at that
Yeah imma scrap NEP now that it’s been clarified to me.
  • Arthur's ability is subjective reality, he can impose his thought to become real, plot manipulatiion requires some meta-fiction shenanigan which there is none here
Arthur’s ability is more akin to plot manipulation as he isn’t just “making his thoughts become real,” he’s directly changing the narrative itself.

This is further clarified over the fact that Arthur isn’t even altering reality with his thoughts some of the time when he’s using this ability. For example, him passively playing a video game alters the course of the world around him. He’s literally making reality into like that of a video game and him the main character of that video game.

Another example is when he wasn’t feeling the affects of outer space because he didn’t realize he should be feeling it, until he realized he needed to breathe, at which point only then did he suddenly succumb to oxygen deficiency. Notice how he wasn’t altering or changing reality with his thoughts there, he was just passively fighting someone until his own thoughts made him succumb to reality by mistake.

Meta-fictional structures can be established in the fact that Adolla isn’t just altering the world but the very story itself. The kanji being used here even specifically clarifies that the term “story” is being used in relation to the world. Mind you this is literally just 4 chapters prior to Arthur’s other changing the narrative statement, which is another meta-fictional term.

There are also other criteria I could list out for more qualifying meta fictional shenanigans as well.
  • For the HDE, there needs to be ontological difference between the two worlds or an extra axis, and there is none. The only thing that is close is this, but that is a verse mechanics as the same people from earth with adolla burst can touch the flame and it has been established that you need to be loved by adolla or be a pillar to use or touch the flames. so HDE should be possibly.
O…k?
  • Fate manipulation is fine
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This will only be creation


Re-reading this scan shinra wonders if the world he saw in his dream is reality.

The evangelist is only separating the user's subconscious and bringing him to that abstract plane but in reality the user is not there but their mind. Users who are dragged by the evangelist are not converted into non-existence and it is shown that they can even enter that plane with their bodies as Sho and shinra did so that possible use is ruled out as the page indicates.
Ok, I’ll scrap NEP. Thanks for clarifying this for me.
 
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