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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

So, I noticed a problem with the current 6-C servants I think. Does anyone have a scan of Numeral Gawain clashing with Arondight? Because afaik that's a "Living" Gawain feat which shouldn't scale to his servant self at all, otherwise he'd be downscaling from Vortigern and such.

I do have a back up plan but it will require some scans from Extra if someone can point me in the direction to find those. Basically Numeral Gawain is unbeatable to the player, and if this includes the NPs of the servant, than we can scale to A Rank NPs of UBW and Nero's own NPs. Hell, in Last Encore Gawain overpowered Nero's NP too.

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It appears Gawain currently scales to living feat, that's bad. There are alternative NPs to scale him to in Extra though.
 
tbf the idea of scaling other servant to Gawain/3 is pretty ridiculous from the start. I mean, this is the servant who could tank a Lion king Rhongomyniad beam (under numeral of the saint) and the A++ ranked extra vasavi shakti (without numeral of the saint, but with a bunch of limited buffs). He is constantly praised for being absurdly strong, even at night
 
I mean, other servants can still fight Gawain, especially Non Numeral Gawain. EMIYA, Nero, and Tama all beat him in Extra. Bediviere and Mash beat him in Camelot, albeit this is a weird example since neither are really servants and they beat Numeral Gawain iirc. Gawain fights a ton of people throughout events, like in Seraph. Saberlot should be comparable and he also fights other servants in events.

Gawain tanking VS is BS. In Foxtail itself it's stated to be weaker than the original iirc. Plus Gawain temporarily invoked Numeral and had buffs from his master. The same master who with Gawain's help could trap BB in a wall she couldn't get past. Lion King was casual and likely didn't really want to kill him there? IDK has been a while since I read that scene.
 
Mageman460 said:
So, I noticed a problem with the current 6-C servants I think. Does anyone have a scan of Numeral Gawain clashing with Arondight? Because afaik that's a "Living" Gawain feat which shouldn't scale to his servant self at all, otherwise he'd be downscaling from Vortigern and such.
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They where summoned. Remember Rhongobongo Goddess took a long time to gain control of the body/Bedivere walking for absurd amount of time/etc.

Mageman460 said:
I mean, other servants can still fight Gawain, especially Non Numeral Gawain. EMIYA, Nero, and Tama all beat him in Extra. Bediviere and Mash beat him in Camelot, albeit this is a weird example since neither are really servants and they beat Numeral Gawain iirc. Gawain fights a ton of people throughout events, like in Seraph. Saberlot should be comparable and he also fights other servants in events.
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Mash is a Demi-Servant and Bedivere has servant-like power because of Airgetlam.
 
Mageman460 said:
I mean, other servants can still fight Gawain, especially Non Numeral Gawain. EMIYA, Nero, and Tama all beat him in Extra. Bediviere and Mash beat him in Camelot, albeit this is a weird example since neither are really servants and they beat Numeral Gawain iirc. Gawain fights a ton of people throughout events, like in Seraph. Saberlot should be comparable and he also fights other servants in events.

Gawain tanking VS is BS. In Foxtail itself it's stated to be weaker than the original iirc. Plus Gawain temporarily invoked Numeral and had buffs from his master. The same master who with Gawain's help could trap BB in a wall she couldn't get past. Lion King was casual and likely didn't really want to kill him there? IDK has been a while since I read that scene.
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That's just a "scripted" victory, like how every lb ends with us beating some divines spirit tier opponent with mash and someone else (sherlock in lb5.2 for example, yet I think everyone can agree that mash and sherlock don't scale to caenis) Gawain in extra is said to be the strongest servant with the strongest master, to the point where Rani and Rin wouldn't be able to beat him two-on-one. Hell, he one-shot Cu in the audio drama. That or Aoko is really good at buffing our servants.

Lion king said not once but twice that she was going for the kill

he didn't temporarily invoke numeral, that's not a thing. He used the numeral of the saint code to buff his defense, which isn't some kind of all-powerful buff, same for his master. Plus karna also had a code buff that raises strength. Also yeah, VS as it's used in CCC and extella is obviously not as strong as usual, hence A++, which is the rank it's listed as in the extraverse.

Saberlot and Gawain scales to each other when alive. And just like interludes, event secondary fights are rarely accurate to the power of the servants.

For comparison, the difference in strength between Gawain and other servants is such that, even at night, he could beat Suzuka with her first 2 np activated most of the time simply by overpowering her.
 
LehenDuo said:
They where summoned. Remember Rhongobongo Goddess took a long time to gain control of the body/Bedivere walking for absurd amount of time/etc.
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Do you have a scan for this? I don't remember Gawain clashing with Arondight.

TypeOU said:
That's just a "scripted" victory, like how every lb ends with us beating some divines spirit tier opponent with mash and someone else (sherlock in lb5.2 for example, yet I think everyone can agree that mash and sherlock don't scale to caenis) Gawain in extra is said to be the strongest servant with the strongest master, to the point where Rani and Rin wouldn't be able to beat him two-on-one. Hell, he one-shot Cu in the audio drama. That or Aoko is really good at buffing our servants.
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I do want to actually discuss scaling Ortinax (and potentially Galahad Mash) to higher than servants and potentially downscaling to the various threats she has fought.

Regardless, Emiya, Tama, and Nero were all able to pull out a victory against Gawain in their routes. Nero does it in Last Encore TWICE.

Was this specifically Numeral Gawain that Rani and Rin could not beat? Or was it Gawain without the sun?

TypeOU said:
Lion king said not once but twice that she was going for the kill
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Can you provide a scan for that?


TypeOU said:
Saberlot and Gawain scales to each other when alive. And just like interludes, event secondary fights are rarely accurate to the power of the servants.

For comparison, the difference in strength between Gawain and other servants is such that, even at night, he could beat Suzuka with her first 2 np activated most of the time simply by overpowering her.
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He would still have to keep the fight against Suzuka short by his own admittance. And even still he has a chance to lose against her.

Gawain is not really an insta win servant, he just has very high specs and a skill that makes him almost unbeatable in a straight fight. Other servants can and should scale to him or downscale from him. Not really Numeral Gawain though, afaik the only people that should scale to Numeral Gawain are Mash's Defense without NP and Lion King. IF events are counted, then Arthur fights Aloha Shirt Numeral Gawain in Las Vegas.
 
Mageman460 said:
Was this specifically Numeral Gawain that Rani and Rin could not beat? Or was it Gawain without the sun?
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not specified
Mageman460 said:
Can you provide a scan for that?
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"For you have no need to ever stand again."
Lion king right before attacking
"Hear me, Knights of the Round Table.
That strike was death itself."
Lion king afterward

Mageman460 said:
He would still have to keep the fight against Suzuka short by his own admittance. And even still he has a chance to lose against her.
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Yeah, but that's Suzuka with 2 NP activated, one of which is called a good matchup against Gawain straightforward fighting style
 
TypeOU said:
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I'd assume it'd be Numeral Gawain because Cu and Lu Bu are no pushovers themselves. Lu Bu is even apparently enough to temporarily match Numeral Gawain in Extella?

TypeOU said:
"For you have no need to ever stand again."
Lion king right before attacking
"Hear me, Knights of the Round Table.
That strike was death itself."
Lion king afterward
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Weird that he survived it then tbh. Doesn't she go on to say that if he gets up all is forgiven or something like that?

TypeOU said:
Yeah, but that's Suzuka with 2 NP activated, one of which is called a good matchup against Gawain straightforward fighting style
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Raikou has the same feat, but better doesn't she. She beat Suzuka with the two NPs without breaking a sweat.

Don't get me wrong Gawain is an incredibly skilled and high spec servant. He's shown time and time again that he's a threat and amongst the top tiers of servants.
 
Mageman460 said:
I'd assume it'd be Numeral Gawain because Cu and Lu Bu are no pushovers themselves. Lu Bu is even apparently enough to temporarily match Numeral Gawain in Extella?
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Extella is by far the most inconsistent fate work.
Mageman460 said:
Weird that he survived it then tbh. Doesn't she go on to say that if he gets up all is forgiven or something like that?
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it's more like he survived his punishment, so even though she was planning on killing him, it's over, even if he's not dead.
Mageman460 said:
Raikou has the same feat, but better doesn't she. She beat Suzuka with the two NPs without breaking a sweat.
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she beat Suzuka with 2 NPS in a fight that was considered to be about a draw, using her own np. Gawain could do it through sheer strength, and again, while having an unfavorable matchup.

Also as said by the narration (Tamamo?), "mystery slayer" was at full power. If anything, this means that gawain, at night, without using his np>Raikou, at the peak of her mystery slayer, with her np.
 
Mageman460 said:
Raikou has the same feat, but better doesn't she. She beat Suzuka with the two NPs without breaking a sweat.
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Doesn't Suzuka win when she uses Trichiliocosm?

Mageman460 said:
Weird that he survived it then tbh. Doesn't she go on to say that if he gets up all is forgiven or something like that?
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it's more like he survived his punishment, so even though she was planning on killing him, it's over, even if he's not dead.
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Or saying in a different way - it's not as much as the objective/end goal itself was to kill him. but that she delivered the punishment, the strike, without caring if he would end up dead or not. As he survive his punishment, there's nothing more to do, as he paid for what he did.
 
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i finished watching apocrypha and i'm kinda sad

sieg got jeanne but he can't go back to earth anymore.

i don't know where they are in the end. (where are they. also he turned back to his human form but i thought he was stuck as a dragon forever)


also shirou is one of those cases of good intentions but it's wrong because of the effects it will have on the world.
 
I believe it is just below the textures of the planet (textures on the surface of the planet being humanity’s understanding of the Universe iirc). Think of it like a mat on top of a floor, or a foil covering a globe.

… Man, that reminds me just how confusing and messy the planet Earth is in the Nasuverse.
 
Migue79 said:
I believe it is just below the textures of the planet (textures on the surface of the planet being humanity’s understanding of the Universe iirc). Think of it like a mat on top of a floor.

… Man, that reminds me just how confusing and messy the planet Earth is in the Nasuverse.
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oh that's nice. so he'll be stuck there forever?


also ritsuka x jeanne is a big no no. Sieg x jeanne will always be the right ship. though i do think sieg x jeanne x astolfo is also great.
 
I’m fine with both ships as a fan de La Pucelle d’Orléans (hopefully this is proper French unlike the name of Jalter’s NP). I find both to have thei own unique charms.

And honestly, it bothers me how overhated Sieg is, and part to blame in this is A1 removing some key characterisation and changing up some scenes between the pair. Then again, the anime changes a lot of what happens in the original LN in general, but it certainly doesn’t help in this case.

I’ll admit I didn’t quite like the boy much at first, but reading what was translated of the original LN & playing that Fate/Apocrypha event made him grow on me. :3
 
Jalter np is wrong on purpose, same for jalter santa lily np and probably jalter summer np idk I can't read german.
 
Migue79 said:
I’m fine with both ships as a fan de La Pucelle d’Orléans (hopefully this is proper French unlike the name of Jalter’s NP). I find both to have thei own unique charms.

And honestly, it bothers me how overhated Sieg is, and part to blame in this is A1 removing some key characterisation and changing up some scenes between the pair. Then again, the anime changes a lot of what happens in the original LN in general, but it certainly doesn’t help in this case.

I’ll admit I didn’t quite like the boy much at first, but reading what was translated of the original LN & playing that Fate/Apocrypha event made him grow on me. :3
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but is he still stuck forever in that reverse side of the world?
 
TypeOU said:
Jalter np is wrong on purpose, same for jalter santa lily np and probably jalter summer np idk I can't read german.
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Where is it said it’s deliberate? ‘Cause I genuinely didn’t know that.
 
Migue79 said:
Yes. His true Fafnir form is. What you bring to Chaldea is but a mere proxy of him.
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i read on r/grandorder that it’s not even a copy of him. More like a terminal.

also that copy of him I read will disappear for good. Since the event he was in is more like a lostbelt or something.
 
I quote

“
Moreover, our Sieg isn't her Sieg either. Not even in the "another fresh copy from the Throne" variety. He's more of a terminal that has been separated from the original and is now his own person, a fact the original Sieg himself lampshaded at the end of the Apocrypha collab:

"...I can no longer track my terminal. Soon, he will be summoned as a Servant, and aid Fujimaru in his/her battles. From now on, he will be making his own memories. In time, Sieg will become a Servant totally separate from me, and forge his own path. I only hope he is at least some small help to Fujimaru in the struggles ahead. For my part, I think I'll go back to sleep."
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Thus, Chaldea's Sieg being neutral about what Chaldea Jeanne does or doesn't do feels logical”
 
Also what I meant disappear when the event or lostbelt was over or whatever I quote this


The thing is that some servants can only exist while things are ****** up ( like in the burning of history and the lostbelts) due to being unstable "imposible things", after that is fixed, they wont go back to the throne, they will dissapear.

His profile says he and Jalter will dissapear after everything is fixed”


Then how would servant sieg be over or whatever when I still have him
 
Hey guys how do I post a screenshot of an image I took using my phone

Because I can’t seem to copy and paste it nor can I use the image button for it.

just wanted to show you guys my level 100 Salome
 
Migue79 said:
Where is it said it’s deliberate? ‘Cause I genuinely didn’t know that.
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simple conjuncture? "luminosité éternelle" is correct, and so are "la pucelle" and "des océans d'allégresses". meanwhile "la grondement du haine" should be "le grondement de la haine", and I don't even know what "la grâce fille noël" should be, maybe "la gracieuse fille de noël". Anyway, you don't coincidentally get 2 grammar mistakes on each of the fakes and none on the real deal
 
Use 60 SQ on part 2 banner, got shit CE.

Use 30 SQ on Part 1, got Charlie again. I was hoping for Kriemhild......

Edit: Don Quixote is story locked.
 
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John985 said:
Use 60 SQ on part 2 banner, got shit CE.

Use 30 SQ on Part 1, got Charlie again. I was hoping for Kriemhild......

Edit: Don Quixote is story locked.
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Also trying to get Kriem in my main, which has Castoria
Both Roland and Charlie showed up, but the damn gothic girl is nowhere to be seen

I really can't believe they gave Kriem the kit they did... She is a ******* monster

Does anyone know of a place that has Moriarty, chinese old man and Quixote's kit translated?
 

O' noble knight-errant, o' great hero.
To let the world know of lovely Dulcinea, with your companion Sancho in tow, off you go!
The great aged knight who left his mark on the world through his battles with giants and other knights alike.

────Will this suffice, master?


Bond 1​

Height/Weight: 148cm/50kg (Don Quixote), 169cm/54kg (Sancho)
Source: "Don Quixote"
Region: Europe
Alignment: Lawful Good (Don Quixote), Chaotic Neutral (Sancho)
Gender: Male (Don Quixote), Female (Sancho)

"Can we inflate my height by another 20 centimetres?"
"That would be ill-advised, master."


Bond 2​

He doesn't really listen to others, but since he is courteous with the ladies, acts gentle with the weak yet overbearing with the powerful, the fact that he has a kind and sincere character befitting of a knight remains unchanged.

Sancho, on the other hand, is an almighty maid who follows Don Quixote around with a cheerful smile on her face and is eager to fulfil his every wish.
Nonetheless, the way she rolls her well-physiqued master around is quite the spectacle, so she seems to quite skilled for what it's worth.

Don Quixote behaves as a knight that swore his loyalty to the Master, but to Sancho, Don Quixote is the only master she respects.

In his first and second ascension, he can be seen as the splendid knight he dreamed of being.
With his imposing bearing and single-minded devotion to her beloved princess, in a sense, he is the ideal knight.

In his third ascension, that aspect completely changes and he turns into a feeble old man.
He is fully aware of reality, yet chooses to oppose it as a knight, albeit a weak one.
However, different from the genuine truth, Servanthood is truly a world of dreams.
With Sancho's fervent encouragement, he musters all of his courage to face the "giant" known as reality.

While, to be accurate, Sancho Pansa is a Phantasmal Beast-like being, she takes form as an aggregation of the roles of the old horse, the squire, and the princess that appear in the story of Don Quixote.
When accompanying Don Quixote as a squire, she plays the role of the pheasant farmer from the countryside or that of the knight's old horse; other times, she provides him with counsel as the noble Dame Dulcinea or plays the role of the young woman that fell in love with him (namely, Altisidora, the maid that was ordered by the duke and duchess to act in that manner).


Bond 3​

○Accompanying Servant B
The special form of Servants that come in a set.
While Sancho will disappear along with Don Quixote if the former is defeated, Don Quixote won't disappear even if Sancho does.

○Knight-Errant's Great Adventure EX
Don Quixote's great adventure.
Sancho narrates the story of the great adventure where he visited all kinds of places to let the world know of his beloved Dulcinea's beauty, spreading justice and righteousness.

○Opening The Door to Dreams EX
By opening the door, he becomes the knight they dreamt of.
By closing the door, he returns to reality.
It blurs the boundary of reality.
While it is a variant of the Madness Enhancement skill, it does not cause Don Quixote go berserk, but simply makes as brave as a knight. ...However, as expected, this can also turn him into a reckless being that wouldn't even bat an eye at doing something like charging at a windmill, to be specific.

○Drawing The Curtains of Reality E
It returns Don Quixote to reality. Needless to say, that means returning to being a powerless old man and abandoning his dreams. But still, even so, the old man can't help fighting against reality.


Bond 4​

"Aah, I Dedicate Mine Spear to My Beloved Princess!"
Rank: D++
Classification: Anti-Giant Noble Phantasm
Range: 1~10 (including the distance of the charge)
Maximum number of targets: 1

Valiente Asalto Dedicado a la Princesa.
The most famous of Don Quixote's anecdotes.
His attack of the windmill he thought to be a giant transformed into a Noble Phantasm.
Even in his third ascension, only for this time, he reverts back to his first ascension.
However, even in his first ascension, he displays the worn and weary form of his third ascension after finishing the Noble Phantasm's activation.

Since he was blown away by the windmill in his story, it inflicts a significant demerit to him as well.
However, since the important part is that, despite knowing he was facing a giant, he charged at it without hesitation, he applies a powerful buff to his surroundings while dealing damage to his target.

During Don Quixote's charge, Sancho will be waving a flag and cheering him on.

◆

"Aah, This Wretched But Kind Reality!"
Rank: EX
Classification: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum number of targets: Up to 10

Triste Suave Alonso Quixano.
A Noble Phantasm that returns Don Quixote to reality, activated by Sancho Pansa.
It superimposes every conceivable fantasy with the standards of reality in 17th century Spain.
Regardless of what rank of mystery the target possesses, it is diluted to the level of 17th century Spain's real society.
Basically, it is a Noble Phantasm that severely weakens the opponent, however, it is linked to the "Drawing The Curtains of Reality" skill which allows all kinds of impossibilities to be realised as realistic desires.


Bond 5​

"The best-selling novel" written by the Spanish written, Miguel de Cervantes in the 17th century.
In 2002, it was voted number one on the list of the hundred best literary works of all time; it has also influenced various works of music and art, and is widely known to people around the world as 'a dreamer like Don Quixote' and as a kind of criticism of "dreamers like Don Quixote".

In the story, Don Quixote is a hidalgo of nearly fifty who becomes so absorbed in tales of chivalry that he even sells his own fields.
His madness gradually leads him to believe himself to be a knight-errant, and he finally sets off an adventure-seeking journey with his skinny old horse, Rocinante and his squire, Sancho.

He charges at a windmill believing it to be a giant, he tries to treat a few pheasant girls as princesses only for them to flee from him, and even manages to somehow triumph in single combat against a well-known bachelor, Samson Carrasco, who went as far as to disguise himself as a knight to restore Don Quixote's sanity.

However, Samson Carrasco later returns in the guise of a different knight after healing his wounds and defeats Don Quixote in a one-on-one fight. He then makes the hidalgo promise him to return to his village for a year and live a peaceful life.

And so, as Carrasco predicted, Don Quixote staggers home back to his village, but what ends up restoring the knight-errant's sanity is a fever that leaves him at death's doors.

After suffering for 6 days, he regains his sanity as Alonso Quixano, and, despite now denouncing tales of knight-errantry as foolish nonsense, he breathes his last without losing his virtuous nature as a human being up til the end. And that itself was Don Quixote most important and treasured aspect, which he had held on to since he was a knight. And this is why the old knight continues to be loved over the world.


After clearing "The Realm That Manifests Dead Concepts: Traum" and reaching Bond level 5:​

○Regarding Traum
In the large-scale Singularity of Traum, he was one of the few Servants from the Pan-Human History side that were summoned...however, in reality, he was one of the Servants summoned in the Lostbelt of Atlantis.
He had been fighting alongside the other heroes to conquer Atlantis and reach Olympus, but when he saw Heracles' annihilation, he lost the will to fight.
Seeing him so frightened, Sancho decided to use her Noble Phantasm. They succeed in fleeing from Atlantis, but end up wandering into the Singularity of Traom.

In the face of an army of Servants plotting to revolt rebel against the Human Order, Sancho comes up with a plot to ensure their survival somehow and establishes the Royal Realm under the pretence of Don Quixote being Charles the Great.

Then they team up with Chaldea that Rayshifted into the Singularity, and they wage a war against the Realm of Restoration and Revenge as the Royal Realm, however...

It should be noted, that what Don Quixote wanted to convey to the Master of Chaldea all along was his apology. While Sancho's opinion that there was nothing they could have done about it even if they tried is in fact correct; to Don Quixote his actions went against his code of chivalry and was an unbecoming thing. He never lost his virtuous nature even in Traum, and continued to fight with Sancho by his side until the very end.
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