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Avengers: Endgame discussion thread. SPOILERS!!!!

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Link for the leaked footage:https://mega.nz/#!abxzWYAI!ppfwNNYIxv9QD99L7PXI2ngUFA3CejviQeb9pCaH6Ts

What we learned?

1. Thor goes on a journey to bring Korg and Eitri to Earth. Jesus Thor

2. Professor Hulk

3. Quantum realm travelling is real

4. Time travel is real. They will revisit Battle of New York. Captain America vs Captain America. Since both Captain America's can harm each other, we can have 8-C Cap.

5. Professor Hulk wears the Infinity Gauntlet made by Stark,but it damages his hand

6. Thanos with the Infinity Sword overpowers both Iron Man amd Thor

7. Captain America with the Mjolnir overpowers Thanos

8. Literally everyone gets revived. Most climatic battle in history of Hollywood. Avengers Assemble!

9. Captain Marvel doing ship-busting again
 
I think carol is going to wield the IG (sorry hulk) and what is an infinity sword? The cap/Mjolnir thing has to be explained. Prior to Ragnarok I would say Cap is now Thor but some retcons happened and I dunno if the enchantment works like it does in the comics. If it does then is Ragnarok retconed? I hope not.
 
Thanks for the link. Also, the spoilers.

Cap using Mjolnir is something I've been hoping for since A1. 11 years is worth it.

Thor with the greasy hobo hair though. Amusing.

I'm assuming that they used the assembled Stark gauntlet to disable the Thanos gauntlet, so they only needed to match Thanos.

Also, going by what's shown, I don't see where Mjolnir matches Thanos. Just that Thor, who is the model Mjolnir uses to power up a user, is physically somewhere there in the Infinity War big leagues even back in A1. Also, Thanos gets thrown around by a more skilled Cap wielding a force multiplier and getting good hits in while also facing a superior Stark suit and Thor himself.
 
You know, I don't think it really hit me until now because of all the hype but...

Endgame is gonna be one weird-ass movie, especially for something casuals will be seeing.
 
Nope, Hulk does it.

Going by the leak, hulk fails to do it and then at the end fight, you see spider-man hand what looks like the gauntlet to Carol. If it's not the gauntlet then I stand corrected.
 
Avengers: Endgame movie spoilers
The So Captain Marvel joins Char Aznable (Mobile Suit Gundam series) for being ace-tier because of ship busting. Sad.
Captain Marvel looks just like comics as she has her hair short. Good in terms of being loyal to the comics, but sadder.

Iron Man died on wielding the Infinity Stones while Thanos still has an empty Infinity Gauntlet (because Downey is expensive and Disney wants to share less profit to Downey). Even sadder.

And what happens to the existing time stone? Can quantum realm control overwrite time stone powers? Thanos should have just lol nope Ant-Man's time travel if time stone is that powerful unless quantum realm is more powerful.
 
KLOL506 said:
So, do the spoilers confirm a definite yes for 8-C Cap?
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Will have to be more sure. Once I watch it in the theatres. But yes Cap does have a High 6-B key
 
Avengers: Endgame movie spoilers
Based on a leaked vid of the movie I saw, the following occurs.
Assemble Cap is actually beating Endgame Cap until the latter gets in a quick one with the Scepter so I am all aboard for 8-C Cap. Hail Hydra.

Bloodlusted Wanda is a monster and is actually able to beat Thanos.

Ancient One leads with soul rip on Hulk.

Strange has a nice lifting feat, no clue how good it is.

Hulk has his own lifting feat for most of the Avengers facility when it gets blown up/collapsed on them.

Hulk uses the Stark Gauntlet once to bring everyone back and Tony uses it the second time to dust Thanos and his army.

Base Thanos manages to 3v1 85 Tony, Cap and 2 hammer Thor (yes this means what you think), is about to stab Thor in the chest with the axe until Cap comes in with Mjolnir. Cap can also use Stormbreaker. The shield also gets broken by a few hits from Thanos and his sword (said sword can be recalled like Mjolnir).

Thor and Tony have a combo where the 85 makes a huge socket to absorb lightning and super charge all the repulsors (there are even more now) Thanos just spins his sword like a ceiling fan and slaps the away though.

Captain Marvel was actually awesome and one shots Thanos' ship. Not much screentime but she does get a small fight with him in her binary. He is still above her but she can knock him back and trade blows in hth, he even headbutts her once but she straight up ignores it. At one point Thanos wields the power stone barehanded (he rips it from the Stark IG) and gut punches her to end their brief fight since she has the strength to stop him from closing his hand (Tony also does this).

Falcon slams an alien Mighty Joe Young over easily.

Nebula has a pistol which one shots other Nebula.

Instant kill mode gets used with the Iron Spider and just starts one shotting Outriders with the spider legs.

Valkyrie cuts down leviathans.

Pepper gets her own suit which is awesome.

Will think of other shit later. Enjoy for now.
 
This is off topic, but how do you create those text boxes @AnonymousBlack and @Jason?
 
Yeah, this movie is great. I'm lucky that I got away mostly unspoiled.

So, Mjolnir and pre awakening thor would probably be High 6-B now. Which kinda makes sense if you think about it. Thor awakening was just realizing he didn't need his hammer. We only assumed it increased his power because it didn't show any other feats on that scale. Now that we have said feats, we should be able to upgrade safely. That said, Cap did hold Mjolnir for awhile and used it in a major fight, even showing he's able to call it to him like Thor, so, he should be able to get it as Optional Equipment, and thereby a High 6-B key. Oh yeah, the shield should also be High 6-B for tanking Thor's hammer, along with several blows from an aggressive assault on Thanos' part.

I want to get a calc on avengers base blowing up. Literally everyone tanks it, including Ant Man and all the 9-As, so it should scale. Dunno if we'd have to account for surface area or the fact that it took many rounds to make such an explosion, but either way it would definitely look cool. Also, Giant Man does frag some rocks as he tries to get hulk and bros out of the rubble.

Thor was able to draw Stormbreaker all the way from New Asgard to Avengers Base within a few seconds, so that's probably an MHS+ supporting feat if we looked into it.

Spider Man's instant kill mode is probably some form of instinctive reactions, as it started attacking the CGI mooks all around him automatically, only stopping when they manually grabbed it to dogpile Peter.

Generally this movie is awesome and the feats are awesome too
 
Base Thor is not going to High 6-B. He is remaining at 7-A or else we are upgrading far more guys to High 6-B who are definitely not supposed to be there. There is also a very simple reason for it, High 6-B Thor had it so Cap is amped to his level.
 
I'm not entirely sure about it

Cap was just using the hammer's powers, not thor's, otherwise wouldn't Thor have to constantly dump his godly power into it to make sure it's actually able to do anything?

Thor mostly was just excited to see that he was still worthy of it, if it really was only 7-A without his help, then wouldn't he just kinda go "meh" and leave it in it's proper place in time? Maybe it's looking too much into this, but I'm not sure that something just designed to let him use his power should be millions of times weaker then him when he actually understands what his power can do.

Why can't everyone scale to High 6-B in particular? I don't see any reason it would be an outlier, or anything else that would shut it down.
 
The hammer grants the "Power of Thor". Coincidentally, a different Thor, stronger but Thor all the same, grabbed it prior to Cap's use of it.

Stormbreaker and Mjolnir seems to run on its own energy. Else, it just absorbs some from Thor whenever he wields it, which, coincidentally, he did.

Thoughts?
 
Probably something like that.

> Thor mostly was just excited to see that he was still worthy of it,

Yeah, because it means more than just power. The hammer means the person is worthy to rule Asgard and some other stuff. So when it comes to him it means that he stops beating himself up so much for failing in IW.
 
The hammer itself has no power and the enchantment grants the power of Thor.

Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.

Its not 7-A though, the power granted is equal to Thor's as said by the enchantment. Endgame Thor is the one who is wielding it and the only Thor for it to apply to so Cap scales to him. There is also the fact that he actually has frats against a large country person while Thor clearly caps out at Mountain pre Ragnarok.

Thor also took it since its his weapon that he wielded for centuries and proves that he is still worthy to be king. It also gives us the Cap scene.

So Hulk was always High 6-B, and vibranium Ultron and Vision and Hulkbuster Mk1, vibranium weapons too, Cull Obsidian, Giant Man etc etc. Scaling everyone to that level means Scott Lang one shots Thanos by stepping on him.
 
I don't know about Mjolnir absorbing Thor's High 6-B power upon contact, but it does absorb energy, so I guess it is possible.

Either way, I'm just going to do a bootleg calc of Thor grabbing stormbreaker as it came back to him

The set used for New Asgard looks to be a place in scotland, which is 3,211 miles away from New York, or 5167603.584 meters

I think it took around 5 seconds for it to get over there, so divided by 5 is...

1033520.7168 Meters per second, Mach 3013.17993236, Massively Hypersonic+ as expected

Of course, I also remember it taking like 3 seconds, it's already been a day and I didn't memorize timeframes, so, dividing by 3 gets...

1722534.528 meters per second, Mach 5021.96655394, still MHS+
 
Giant Man is only 8-C scaling to War Machine, so I don't really see your point there. Everything else is perfectly fine scaling.

.... The fact that it gives the power of thor, and the power of thor got enhanced, is a good point though. I guess the base keys would have to stay.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
When was this? I remember Thor calling Mjolnir in one scene but I dont remember him calling Stormbreaker except in a fight.
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At the ending fight, he called it from the distance (Presumably New Asgard) as a storm brewed in it's direction.
 
Zark2099 said:
Lang's third key should be 7-A for oneshotting the flying worm thingey. Hulk showed wayyy more effort in wrecking that thing.
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Eh, fighting grunts doesn't necessarily make for good scaling like that. Hulk was able to easily stop one mid charge with one punch while Lang just punched it and sent it to the ground. Both of these could easily happen with it having a dura less then 7-A.

Then again, Hulk also did spend some time wrecking one when not punching it directly in the face so maybe?
 
Ant-Man needs his keys changed. He's 65 feet in Civil War and 85 feet in Endgame.
 
@DMUA

Endgame Giant Man is bigger than Civil War Giant Man and is able to literally stomp Cull Obsidian to death. The plan is to downgrade Cull to 7-A for fighting and essentially beating the Hulkbuster Mk2 which would scale to the Mk1 that can fight 7-A Hulk. If Cull remains High 6-B, Scott can just step on almost everyone and win.

@Zark

Scott scales to 7-A via one shotting Cull Obsidian. The Leviathan's arent 7-A.
 
The Leviathan definitely has somewhat comparable durability to Hulk's AP however. Hulk can rarely oneshot it, and the thing needs a few hits from him or Thor before going down.

Scott also has far better lifting strength than Professor Hulk in that form but that's whatevs.
 
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