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MCU 5-A Characters Revision
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I agree with this.
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I think we just need one more staff member to agree with the change to 5-C rating for the characters.
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I think this CRT has already obtained the necessary number
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Okay. I guess changes can go ahead for this thread then. I think just the justifications of Thanos needs updating, then for everyone else it's a tier change.
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Currently it's leaning towards just 5-C for this thread.
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“Planet levelling” isn’t necessarily 5-B, though it’s worth noting. What is this scan from?For what it's worth, if we're changing the scaling so that they just upscale Rocket's weapons for now, there is this statement that he has "planet levelling explosives" which also supports them being 5-B. At the same time this is something that not even Rockets own profile lists in his AP section so it'll probably have to be applied in another CRT. Still, the evidence is there.Sorry for the bad image quality btw this is the best scan I could find.
Anyway, I take it that the 5-C rating comes from Thor’s stormbreaker being > Rocket’s hadron enforcer? How would this justification be written?
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I thought it would just come from Thanos' use of the Stones > Rocket's Hadron Enforcer.
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Both the Snap and the Stormbreaker would scale to 5-C. The Stormbreaker scaling higher than the Hadron Enforcer was accepted in a separate thread a while ago, but only applied to the Stormbreaker for reasons I can't remember. Given that both scale to Thanos's durability, I would say that it is consistent and both can be used in the justification.
Basically, Thanos durability should be 5-C for tanking the Snap and a hit from the Stormbreaker right on the chest, everyone who scale to Thanos' durability (aka those that are currently 5-A) should be rated 5-C, while Full power Hela, Eternal Flame Surtur and Odin would be rated "At least 5-C, likely 5-B".
Basically, Thanos durability should be 5-C for tanking the Snap and a hit from the Stormbreaker right on the chest, everyone who scale to Thanos' durability (aka those that are currently 5-A) should be rated 5-C, while Full power Hela, Eternal Flame Surtur and Odin would be rated "At least 5-C, likely 5-B".
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It's from the Marvel Studios Visual Dictionary
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I disagree with the changes as the power stone can destroy more than just the surface of the planet example is when ronan was going to destoy Xandar it wasen't just the surface but the entire planet:
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Nowhere does it specify the "entire" planet there.
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It "says stopping ronan from destroying the planet xandar" which indicates the enitre planet and later it said that eson destroyed a whole "world" with a infinity stone and planetary disasters:
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Another referance that supports my claim Ronans plan to destroy Xandar with the destructive energy of the infinity stone:
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What matters to us is what Rocket sees. Rocket has never seen the power stone destroy an ENTIRE Planet. So what you said is for Power Stone. For the entire MCU scale, all Rocket saw was the destruction of the surface.
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Yes the statment said the most powerful thing he has ever seen but that would include the power stone which rocket new was going to destroy xandar as he was with the briefing where they said when ronan touches the planet he destoys Xandar:
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You can destroy a planet without being 5-B. The destruction Rocket sees would be enough to declare Xandar destroyed.
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In marvel cinematic wiki it is registerd that Xandar has the population of 12 billion which is 1.5 times the amount of earth to have that amount of population it would need to be simular size of earth
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You don’t have to be 5-B to destroy earth either. Again, the destruction Rocket saw of the power stone would be enough to declare either Earth or Xandar destroyed. To say the Power Stone should be 5-B, you would need a statement referring to the legitimate and complete destruction of the planet, not just that it would be destroyed.
A 5-C attack hitting earth would destroy it, for instance.
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They say the destruction of the planet Xandar in one of the pictures i sent which should be enough as it both reffers to the planet and Xandar also when the powerstone uses it's energy it destroys its target as we see carina get fully destroyed by it:
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Isn’t this the scene that, in this very thread or another(?), was downgraded to High 6-A planet wipe?
Like, a planet wiping High 6-A attack is destroying a planet. I don’t know what else to tell you. You don’t have to be 5-B to destroy a planet like Earth.
Also “destruction of the planet Xandar” doesn’t mean anything more than the other scans you sent, it’s just the same thing being said with more words.
Ronan can destroy Xandar, the planet. He does not have to be 5-B to accomplish that.
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Yes, Love and Thunder's character will still scale to 5-A, they will be the only characters completely unaffected by this.
Well, if we want to talk about the AP of the Power Stone as a whole, it is already accepted that it can go up to 3-A, as mentioned in the profiles of the Orb and those that use it. The Snap scaling isn't reliant on the AP of the Power Stone as a whole, but rather on what Rocket have seen/built and can realistically evaluate in power one way or the other with his extremely high intelligence.I disagree with the changes as the power stone can destroy more than just the surface of the planet example is when ronan was going to destoy Xandar it wasen't just the surface but the entire planet:
Xandar being bigger than Earth would just make Ronan attempting to wipe it's surface unquantifiably higher than the current surface wiping calc, which would still be High 6-A. The fact that the Power Stone have the potency to destroy Xandard is true, and it is already something accepted by the wiki, but it doesn't mean that Rocket would be able to realisitcally evaluate the power of such feat to claim that the Snap is superior to that. The Eson feat was fine because it was reliant on something that Rocket witnessed and could realistically understand, an hypotetical planetary destruction that never happened isn't something that he could evaluate and place the Snap above.
So, while I understand your point, I think that a 5-C scaling is still the safest conclusion, at least for the Snap scaling stuff.
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As others already clarify, the destruction of Xandar is irrelevant to the scaling, but Ronan stated that he was going to destroy the planet to its core
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In This page it was stated that "one celestial used the purple stone to destroy enitre worlds" confirming that Eson destroyed the enitre planet not just the surface of it
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He just says "I will unfurl 1,000 years of Kree justice on Xandar, and burn it to its core".
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Did you not read the past few messages? "Destroy" doesn't mean that the entire planet was exploded or that 5-B energies were released, just that he made the entire planet inhabitable & wiped the entire surface, which doesn't require a 5-B attack
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I showed a scan where it said "entire worlds" if the statement reffers that the entire planet was destroyed it dosen't mean "surface" it means that the ENTIRE planet was destroyed if not then why does it specify entire worlds and not entire surfaces.
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read his entire article
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I said this too, it could easily be High 6-A
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I can't comment on the MCU but we have VFX statements verbatim that the planet as a whole is gone just after the Motherboxes went off for the DCEU plus several planetary statements for Superman and Black Adam + Moon and Multi-Continental upscaling
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Nah it's because Rocky Raccoon considers Nidavellir's weapons like Mjolnir, Gungnir and Stormbreaker (the third and mightiest of all) to be the most dangerous weapons in the universe implying they're above his own tools. The "unprecedented cosmic energy" emitted y the Snap would also likely upscale that and Thanos could endure those energies
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Hela also consider the Tesseract "not bad" which implies shes not overwhelmingly weaker then it
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Bump
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Also did rocket not see Ego's expansion? or is that expansion lower than 5-c?
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I still don't understand this fully didn't he see a celestial? wouldn't it mean the most powerful rocket has seen is a celestial at very least? Or thanos in infinity war with the guantlet?
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Interestingly, the Phase Two: Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy novel briefly describes some cosmic stuff Peter Quill saw prior to GOTG 1, including a double supernova. Not sure if Rocket ever learned about that...
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