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First Kratos now this. ****.
https://www.deviantart.com/nekroz-of-mokey/art/Devil-May-Cry-Feats-785778135 is where I got these sources from.
Every hack n' slash ever must gain more power
DMC1
We know Mundus created every demon. This would include Nightmare, multiple times in fact, who contains a dimension with a star inside.
The Mirror World also contains a star but I'm not sure how to go about it. I have yet to see evidence of anything suggesting it was created or manipulated by someone.
In any case, Mundus is the creator of demons and can, in fact, make many Nightmares.
According to the DMC enemy files:
"Devil May Cry, Enemy File — Nightmare: 'When you are surrounded in its gel-like form, you will be teleported into an evil dimension. You must defeat the evil spirits that rule the dimension. The evil is a reflection of Dante's trauma that rests in his subconscious.'"
The spirits are created from Dante's conscious, not the entire dimension itself, despite common belief that it is an illusion. "you will be teleported into an evil dimension" implies that the dimension exists there already to begin with.
At the end of the game, a contested feat occurs. WoG suggests Mundus created the universe. I know the counterargument that Kamiya is a troll, but that argues solely on a credibility point of view. Credibility has never been objective evidence, nor will it ever be. Great claims require great evidence, and VS often goes out of its way to ignore the burden of proof for Word of God feats. To be fair, how WoG is treated just needs better standards. (And preferably less harrassment of creators because now Kamiya refuses to even speak to an English speaker on twitter now)
Kamiya also clarified this stuff ad nauseam on twitter.
In any case, universal creation powers are further backed up by the DMC2 novels. (And, you know, Nightmares.)
DMC2 Novel
In Devil May Cry Volume 2, prequel to DMC2 and also the introduction of the Uroboros Corporation: www.imgur.com/a/mBxI08U
Here you can see Dante fight Mundus and destroy the dimension with him in it. Mundus is described as being the void itself. However, there is something important here as well. Not only does it say that Dante recalled fighting Mundus in his own world previously, which gives credence to the previous feat, we also now know Mundus does have these creation powers. It also implies these worlds are the same, which makes sense once you see some more evidence.
Dante should also have some massive range and hax to be able to destroy the dimension with his own weapons/send ripples throughout it.
Dante also fought Chen while amped, who was on par with Sparda with the Beastheads. Chen believed the Beastheads were on par with Sparda and base Dante slew them, high difficulty. Sparda/Mundus tiers scaling to base Dante and such is not unimaginable, as you can see. More evidence in the DMC3 manga as well. Devil Trigger is obviously just them but stronger.
Also the novel claims: "The techniques of the demon realm are truly remarkable. ... Faraway oceans and distant events can be brought to us as if we could reach out and pluck Mister Ducas from my ship. And these are just the powers of lesser demons. Imagine what we might achieve with a higher devil, or the Beastheads itself."
casually grabbing an entire ocean and bringing it to you, excellent speed and AP feat
Also apparently the Beastheads were shaking the world. Vague on its own, but the Beastheads were about to bring about the end of the world,and were later described as actually causing seismic activity .Take it as you will.
DMC3 Manga
While the means through which universe merging was going to happen was via portals, the reason why that was was because of magical seals put in place by Sparda.
[1] [2] [3]
Magical seals were made and must be undone in order to cause the universes to merge. As such, creation of the magical seals is scalable, since they are what ward off the universes from merging. This is said to require great power as well. [4] [5]
So yes, these seals require power. Also:
[6]
Demon names are literal. They are the true form of the demon. What foes Mundus' name mean, according to DMC canon itself?
[7]
Mundus' name means living universe basically. DMC2 novel essentially confirmed that as well.
Also Arkham obtained the powers of Sparda at this point and he was fightable. (Note that Dante and Vergil each have half of his power level according to the scans above, and it did not even necessarily mean that they were for sure weaker than Sparda, according to the Rabbit)
DMC4
The Savior was made out of parts of Sparda and contains pocket universes within itself. It was cobbled together kind of randomly so this is a casual feat for its creators.
[8] (Exact copies of areas in the game you have been to prior) [9] explanation that the inner heavens are controlled by the Order
Also, Sanctus uses the body of Sparda to fight as well.
Universal-Universal+ dante but unironically
still loses to bayo tho
Also theres like zero impressive speed feats btw
Soooo... discuss!
Current Vote: 4-2-1
Agree: Schnee One, DarkGrath, Nekroz-of-Mokey, Dr. Whiteee
Disagree: Matthew Schroeder, Rin The Dragon Empress
Abstain: Stefano4444
https://www.deviantart.com/nekroz-of-mokey/art/Devil-May-Cry-Feats-785778135 is where I got these sources from.
Every hack n' slash ever must gain more power
DMC1
We know Mundus created every demon. This would include Nightmare, multiple times in fact, who contains a dimension with a star inside.
The Mirror World also contains a star but I'm not sure how to go about it. I have yet to see evidence of anything suggesting it was created or manipulated by someone.
In any case, Mundus is the creator of demons and can, in fact, make many Nightmares.
According to the DMC enemy files:
"Devil May Cry, Enemy File — Nightmare: 'When you are surrounded in its gel-like form, you will be teleported into an evil dimension. You must defeat the evil spirits that rule the dimension. The evil is a reflection of Dante's trauma that rests in his subconscious.'"
The spirits are created from Dante's conscious, not the entire dimension itself, despite common belief that it is an illusion. "you will be teleported into an evil dimension" implies that the dimension exists there already to begin with.
At the end of the game, a contested feat occurs. WoG suggests Mundus created the universe. I know the counterargument that Kamiya is a troll, but that argues solely on a credibility point of view. Credibility has never been objective evidence, nor will it ever be. Great claims require great evidence, and VS often goes out of its way to ignore the burden of proof for Word of God feats. To be fair, how WoG is treated just needs better standards. (And preferably less harrassment of creators because now Kamiya refuses to even speak to an English speaker on twitter now)
Kamiya also clarified this stuff ad nauseam on twitter.
In any case, universal creation powers are further backed up by the DMC2 novels. (And, you know, Nightmares.)
DMC2 Novel
In Devil May Cry Volume 2, prequel to DMC2 and also the introduction of the Uroboros Corporation: www.imgur.com/a/mBxI08U
Here you can see Dante fight Mundus and destroy the dimension with him in it. Mundus is described as being the void itself. However, there is something important here as well. Not only does it say that Dante recalled fighting Mundus in his own world previously, which gives credence to the previous feat, we also now know Mundus does have these creation powers. It also implies these worlds are the same, which makes sense once you see some more evidence.
Dante should also have some massive range and hax to be able to destroy the dimension with his own weapons/send ripples throughout it.
Dante also fought Chen while amped, who was on par with Sparda with the Beastheads. Chen believed the Beastheads were on par with Sparda and base Dante slew them, high difficulty. Sparda/Mundus tiers scaling to base Dante and such is not unimaginable, as you can see. More evidence in the DMC3 manga as well. Devil Trigger is obviously just them but stronger.
Also the novel claims: "The techniques of the demon realm are truly remarkable. ... Faraway oceans and distant events can be brought to us as if we could reach out and pluck Mister Ducas from my ship. And these are just the powers of lesser demons. Imagine what we might achieve with a higher devil, or the Beastheads itself."
casually grabbing an entire ocean and bringing it to you, excellent speed and AP feat
Also apparently the Beastheads were shaking the world. Vague on its own, but the Beastheads were about to bring about the end of the world,and were later described as actually causing seismic activity .Take it as you will.
DMC3 Manga
While the means through which universe merging was going to happen was via portals, the reason why that was was because of magical seals put in place by Sparda.
[1] [2] [3]
Magical seals were made and must be undone in order to cause the universes to merge. As such, creation of the magical seals is scalable, since they are what ward off the universes from merging. This is said to require great power as well. [4] [5]
So yes, these seals require power. Also:
[6]
Demon names are literal. They are the true form of the demon. What foes Mundus' name mean, according to DMC canon itself?
[7]
Mundus' name means living universe basically. DMC2 novel essentially confirmed that as well.
Also Arkham obtained the powers of Sparda at this point and he was fightable. (Note that Dante and Vergil each have half of his power level according to the scans above, and it did not even necessarily mean that they were for sure weaker than Sparda, according to the Rabbit)
DMC4
The Savior was made out of parts of Sparda and contains pocket universes within itself. It was cobbled together kind of randomly so this is a casual feat for its creators.
[8] (Exact copies of areas in the game you have been to prior) [9] explanation that the inner heavens are controlled by the Order
Also, Sanctus uses the body of Sparda to fight as well.
Universal-Universal+ dante but unironically
still loses to bayo tho
Also theres like zero impressive speed feats btw
Soooo... discuss!
Current Vote: 4-2-1
Agree: Schnee One, DarkGrath, Nekroz-of-Mokey, Dr. Whiteee
Disagree: Matthew Schroeder, Rin The Dragon Empress
Abstain: Stefano4444
