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Yami Vs. Gojo (11-4-3) (Grace)

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Anyway, even if Dimension Slash can pass Infinity, Gojo still has win-cons via Purple and Domain Expansion, the former which I'm not sure Yami can do anything about and the latter which incapacitates him instantly with info manip which afaik, Yami has no answer to. Gojo can dodge out of the way of Dimension Slash once it passes the threshold where stuff is usually stopped by teleporting, or at least try to avoid fatal damage by losing an arm, which he can easily RCT.

Voting Gojo for these reasons.
 
You are saying that this which is in her profile
Dream Magic: Glamour World 「夢魔法『幻惑の界グラマーワールド』 Yume Mahō "Guramā Wārudo"」: This spell allows Dorothy to create an infinite-sized dream world that is totally isolated from the outside world, Glamour World completely follows her orders and desires to manifest anything she wants as long as she can imagine it. She can as well lock her own mind so that no one can force her to manifest things she didn't have the intention to. Curses have no effect on the Glamour World which makes it the perfect place to talk about forbidden topics without getting the risk of being cursed. She mostly uses it to remove objects or opponents from the battlefield and trap them, which she can do by a mere thought. Those trapped inside her Glamour World will drastically grow drowsier as time passes and will eventually fall asleep, which would result in their death. She can also read the thoughts of those trapped inside and manifest people from their memories, the manifestations will act like and be as strong as in their own thoughts.
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is not valid because she has universal range.
You did not give context in the question
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
3-A or universal range on wiki merely describes range that can reach the observable universe inherently. Aka unless a character is specified to have infinite range, we do not assume that “universal range” equates to infinite range. Also, expanding in perpetuity is not the same as possessing an infinite size. I can have a 3 m ball that is expanding in perpetuity at a rate of 1 nm per trillion years, and that does not all of a sudden make that 3 m ball infinite.
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Pretty much this

You guys trying to say universal range encompasses infinite range is just factually wrong
 
LordGinSama said:
With all due respect he's a much better scaler for the verse than you are. I've already said that Arnold is a good debater for the verse as well, keep crying.
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I never talked about me anywhere so what's your point?

Arnold is literally in favor of Uni range, but keep being rude, it obviously helps you so well
 
BadSystems said:
Anyway, even if Dimension Slash can pass Infinity, Gojo still has win-cons via Purple and Domain Expansion, the former which I'm not sure Yami can do anything about and the latter which incapacitates him instantly with info manip which afaik, Yami has no answer to. Gojo can dodge out of the way of Dimension Slash once it passes the threshold where stuff is usually stopped by teleporting, or at least try to avoid fatal damage by losing an arm, which he can easily RCT.

Voting Gojo for these reasons.
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Does anyone have any counterpoints to this?
 
Epsilon_R said:
No,

We're saying Dorothy's had uni range because GW is infinite, Gin think were saying the other way around
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No.


Her range is universal, her fan made ability description has it as infinite which again goes against her profile.


I really don't care what her range is, but currently the way her profile is has her range at universal. Which is inherently not infinite in size.


If you want her to have infinite range than make a CRT to replace the current rating. Simple as that.
 
According to this Thread, The glamour world is infinite even if it does not scale to her AP so it isn't fan made
As the OP I'm fine with the thread being locked/closed. Dorothy's Glamour World has pretty much already been accepted to be infinite in size.

Most people's arguments for it not being infinite stem purely from it being an outlier in the verse. This is why people started accepting it as long as it was used only for the creation or environmental destruction and not scaling to her AP.

The thread had gotten so derailed that people are coming in and bringing up points long since addressed/refuted in the discussion or even in the OP itself. So it's been pretty redundant. I don't even think those people are at fault, it's just the thread has gotten so long that nobody has had the time to read everything. When I made the post it didn't address the outlier aspect. Which I agree is probably the best thing going against Black Clover going up to High-Uni. Even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

So in the future, I'll start a new thread that's more concise and covers everything, including the aspect of it being an outlier. Probably after post different threads if they upscale BC beyond 6-B but well below 3-A, lol.
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-universal-black-clover.138903/page-15
 
LordGinSama said:
No.


Her range is universal, her fan made ability description has it as infinite which again goes against her profile.


I really don't care what her range is, but currently the way her profile is has her range at universal. Which is inherently not infinite in size.


If you want her to have infinite range than make a CRT to replace the current rating. Simple as that.
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I don't need to make a crt, it's in her profile. Abilities section matters just as much as any other section in a page, so it's not just some fan made description (which is also dumb because the entire wiki is us fans, indexing stuff), People just need to read this properly
 
Cool still doesn't explain that her range is wrong.


Make a CRT to fix that if her range was accepted. It should have been infinite, not universal.
 
Epsilon_R said:
I don't need to make a crt, it's in her profile. Abilities section matters just as much as any other section in a page, so it's not just some fan made description (which is also dumb because the entire wiki is us fans, indexing stuff), People just need to read this properly
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You quite literally do whenever her range is wrong.
 
Epsilon_R said:
Because it's not, you just read it wrong, simple as that
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I haven't read anything wrong. If her range is infinite then it's no universal, as universal is finite but only expands indefinitely.
Bastolan27 said:
I think that at this point he isn't even trying to understand our arguments.
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Literally buzz off. Not my fault you are unable to comprehend that Universal range doesn't cover infinite range. The actual tiering system even outright states that 3-A is finite in size.
 
LordGinSama said:
I haven't read anything wrong. If her range is infinite then it's no universal, as universal is finite but only expands indefinitely.

Literally buzz off. Not my fault you are unable to comprehend that Universal range doesn't cover infinite range. The actual tiering system even outright states that 3-A is finite in size.
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Range ≠ AP. There's no infinite range tier
Read the Range Page not the Tier page
 
BadSystems said:
How do those help? They just extend the range / absorb attacks, which won't really work on Domain Expansion.
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Is black hole not absorbing purple, blue and red?
Is black moon not just Futher power nullification?
I don't have an argument against not receiving stimuli, but he has to be caught INSIDE this attack, right? You're forgetting yami senses ki. He's not getting caught 🔥🚬🗿
 
LordGinSama said:
The tiering page doesn't relfect AP. That's what the Attack Potency page is for. The There's tiering page is for constructs.

Read above.
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There's no mention of Range in this Page
The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it should always be kept in mind that, although Destructive Capacity and Area of Effect are some of the most primary ways to qualify for a particular tier, they are not the only ones. For instance, harming a character with a certain level of Durability also allows another character to qualify for the corresponding tier.

Furthermore, it should be noted that characters from a higher tier are not necessarily invincible to entities of lower tiers, as certain powers and abilities can potentially bypass the difference in strength entirely, allowing the latter to contend with, or overpower such characters. See this page for more information.

It is also important to know that the difference between the lowest and highest bounds of a given tier is extremely variable and can be absolutely massive in scale. Hence, being far stronger than a character that belongs to a certain tier does not necessarily qualify one for a higher rating.

For general questions regarding the Tiering System's upper levels, it is advisable to read this page as well.
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And again, there's no infinite tier in range; 3-A and High 3-A range are lumped together.
 
Epsilon_R said:
Just close this, atp nobody is even arguing about the match.
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I did but nobody responded
Edit: josh did nvm
BadSystems said:
Anyway, even if Dimension Slash can pass Infinity, Gojo still has win-cons via Purple and Domain Expansion, the former which I'm not sure Yami can do anything about and the latter which incapacitates him instantly with info manip which afaik, Yami has no answer to. Gojo can dodge out of the way of Dimension Slash once it passes the threshold where stuff is usually stopped by teleporting, or at least try to avoid fatal damage by losing an arm, which he can easily RCT.

Voting Gojo for these reasons.
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Bastolan27 said:
It's crucial for the outcome of this fight, as it is the main win-con for Yami
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It isn't even. Dr. White says the range doesn't matter here.
 
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