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Xenoverse and heroes Biggest Downgrade ever exist! Born and rise from dust and ashes and returned to it

Ss3micah said:
I'm not trying to be rude but.. isn't it kinda short sided to only take and accept information from one source
I'm not trying to be rude, i'm just asking a question
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Japanese and English are very different, it's generally accepted translation bots are more faulty then people, so using the on sight translators is appropriate, possibly the word being used as branched occures when it's said alone, and that's the translaton issue.

Either way a link to when the translator responded if it was on the wiki will probably quiet everyone done on this topic
 
Can't we just create a new Tier for Countless/Transfinite Worlds/Feats or something

Xenoverse is without question Transfinite meaning:
Transfinite numbers are numbers that are "infinite" in the sense that they are larger than all finite numbers, yet not necessarily absolutely infinite.
Going beyond or surpassing any finite number, group, or magnitude.
Being or relating to the cardinal and ordinal numbers of infinite sets.


It would make sense considering the Wiki's Definition of 2B being:
Create and/or destroy larger multiverses which comprise from 1001 to any higher finite amount of separate space-time continuums.

There is ASOLUTELY NO FINITE NUMBER anyone can possibly give me that could possible measure the number of timelines that are in dbxv because it has essentially surpassed numerical calculations and finite quantifiability. In fact, there is no numerical way to even calculate or even estimate the number of timelines. Just as Infinite has no numerical value because it essentially goes beyond numbers so does endless/countless because there's no numerical number or factor or equation or estimation that exist that possibly be used to comprehend.

Plus as Fu describes, History is without question NOT FINITE which you have to be to have a 2B rating. Endless isn't described as Finite and Neither is Countless. Both terms are essentially beyond Numerical Scaling.

So instead, why not just make a Tier for Feats of creating/destroying Countless Worlds. Something like High 2B or Low 2A
It's not a bad idea and sounds justifiable
 
Ss3micah said:
Can't we just create a new Tier for Countless/Transfinite Worlds/Feats or something

Xenoverse is without question Transfinite meaning:
Transfinite numbers are numbers that are "infinite" in the sense that they are larger than all finite numbers, yet not necessarily absolutely infinite.
Going beyond or surpassing any finite number, group, or magnitude.
Being or relating to the cardinal and ordinal numbers of infinite sets.


It would make sense considering the Wiki's Definition of 2B being:
Create and/or destroy larger multiverses which comprise from 1001 to any higher finite amount of separate space-time continuums.

There is ASOLUTELY NO FINITE NUMBER anyone can possibly give me that could possible measure the number of timelines that are dbxv has essentially surpassed specific numerical calculations. In fact, there is no numerical way to even calculate or even estimate the number of timelines. Just as Infinite has no numerical value because it essentially goes beyond numbers so does endless/countless because there's no numerical number or factor or equation or estimation that exist that possibly be used to comprehend.

Plus as Fu describes, History is without question NOT FINITE which you have to be to have a 2B rating. Endless isn't described as Finite and Neither is Countless. Both terms are essentially beyond Numerical Scaling.

So instead, why not just make a Tier for Feats of creating/destroying Countless Worlds. Something like High 2B or Low 2A
It's not a bad idea and sounds justifiable
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If we goes this way then there will be headache, will this is similar to character stats and profile wiki, they 2-A and High 2-A
 
Vietthai96 said:
If we goes this way then there will be headache, will this is similar to character stats and profile wiki, they 2-A and High 2-A
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Only difference between this and that is that Low 2C, 2C, 2B and 2A were all 4th dimensional in nature while High 2A was essentially 5th Dimensional

High 2B/Low 2A would still be in the realm of 4th dimensionality
Plus it would make life way easier as Countless Worlds Debates or Infinite vs Finite debates could easily be solved with this tier being implemented.

Plus personally, the fact that Countless/Endless (Innumerable/Unquantifiable/Immeasurable) being in the same class as something than can be measured/calculated/specifically numbered has always bothered me because be LITERALLY ANY DEFINITION THAT EXIST Endless/Countless Worlds are definitely not FINITE

So yeah, it might be a headache but the payoff after the headache wears off will be sweet and smoothing
 
Ss3micah said:
Only difference between this and that is that Low 2C, 2C, 2B and 2A were all 4th dimensional in nature while High 2A was essentially 5th Dimensional

High 2B/Low 2A would still be in the realm of 4th dimensionality
Plus it would make life way easier as Countless Worlds Debates or Infinite vs Finite debates could easily be solved with this tier being implemented.

Plus personally, the fact that Countless/Endless (Innumerable/Unquantifiable/Immeasurable) being in the same class as something than can be measured/calculated/specifically numbered has always bothered me because be LITERALLY ANY DEFINITION THAT EXIST Endless/Countless Worlds are definitely not FINITE

So yeah, it might be a headache but the payoff after the headache wears off will be sweet and smoothing
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You have to admit
It's not a bad idea
 
Ss3micah said:
Something like High 2B or Low 2A
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if we create that tier then only xenoverse will qualify it(as far as I know there is no verse in this case like xenoverse) so I don't think our wiki create one tier just for only one verse although I think that's not a bad idea
 
Actually im somewhat surprised we don't treat "ad infinitum" or the "endlessly expanding" level of 2-B as High 2-B.

Countless in 2-B just starts off as 1001 or larger, but High 2-B can cover the amount of universes that are finite, but constantly increase in number so that there's no specific number put on it but also not infinite.
 
it's not an awful idea, and could probs just be denoted as (2-B+) with a note on the bottom of the tier page, but this is derailment.
 
Delta333 said:
if we create that tier then only xenoverse will qualify it(as far as I know there is no verse in this case like xenoverse) so I don't think our wiki create one tier just for only one verse although I think that's not a bad idea
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Apparently Mario qualifys. Because dreams and would be on a higher level, that's funny
 
Delta333 said:
I think that’s Mario 2B cosmology is a joke but new tier for only two verses is kinda...
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Well, I know the ben 10 multiverse at least at one point operated on that logic, tho I think only a single weapon that's sense been downgraded ever actually had the AP to destroy all of it, so there are a few places with such scaling, I'm sure there's actually more, but we just can't think of then on the top of our heads
 
Im pretty sure there's a good number of verses on here, and in the future, that will have ad-infinitum type cosmologies. But like someone said, talking about a new tier is derailing.

It should be taken to a staff thread or something for more dedicated focus on the subject.
 
Delta333 said:
I think that’s Mario 2B cosmology is a joke but new tier for only two verses is kinda...
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The regular ones should be at least be Multiverse Level by scaling somewhat to the cosmic items of the verse, the Cosmos Stones by utilizing the energy of items comparable to them to fight and evolve into their true forms. Dr. Ancient stated that if the 7 Cosmos Stones were reunited, they can create enough energy to destroy the universe 10 times, which contains timelines per every point in time

I think Dinosaur King DEFINTELY scales to the Countless Worlds logic unless there is a quantifiable number you wanna give me and potentially many other verses as well
 
Ss3micah said:
The regular ones should be at least be Multiverse Level by scaling somewhat to the cosmic items of the verse, the Cosmos Stones by utilizing the energy of items comparable to them to fight and evolve into their true forms. Dr. Ancient stated that if the 7 Cosmos Stones were reunited, they can create enough energy to destroy the universe 10 times, which contains timelines per every point in time

I think Dinosaur King DEFINTELY scales to the Countless Worlds logic unless there is a quantifiable number you wanna give me and potentially many other verses as well
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STAY ON TOPIC, NO DERAILING
 
Ss3micah said:
Hehe sorry 😅
If anything I'll just make a CTR about it
It will be my first and most monumental CTR
One that may very well shake the very Foundation of all VS Wikidom
Haha Jkz ;)
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Nope, i don't want another wide wiki revision just because of DB, also the chance of it being accepted is really low
 
Uhmmmm... why y'all acting like the 2-A Tier is strictly reliant on this statement alone? Even if you refute this, there's still all the other evidence to support the tier itself. Or do you honestly think this Wiki accepted 2-A for a DB series based on that alone?
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Uhmmmm... why y'all acting like the 2-A Tier is strictly reliant on this statement alone? Even if you refute this, there's still all the other evidence to support the tier itself. Or do you honestly think this Wiki accepted 2-A for a DB series based on that alone?
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No, but noone active here seems to have a link to the blog post or the will to find it
 
Delta333 said:
I mean the link in spacebattle already explained why it’s continuous tense in this case,even Japanese translator in our wiki also said that those branches didn’t already exist instead it’s still branching...
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https://kokugo.jitenon.jp/word/p4679

No, I already explained this above too. Japanese dictionary makes it even more clear here, it's not continuous in that sense, it's still referring to something that has already happened. An again, it's a Japanese dictionary so good luck going against that
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/枝分かれ

I'm just posting this here

it usually refers to to infinitely branched, it's still referring to something that has already happened. The dictionary is very clear about this

I wanna point out that all the examples used here refer to it as branched too.

basically the word is used as "branching" because something is already "branched" and it's not a progressive verb

And this is from a Japanese dictionary, ya know?
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The other evidence has been completely ignored, so I disagree FRA
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
https://kokugo.jitenon.jp/word/p4679

No, I already explained this above too. Japanese dictionary makes it even more clear here, it's not continuous in that sense, it's still referring to something that has already happened. An again, it's a Japanese dictionary so good luck going against that
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then ask people on translations requests threads,I only copied the translation from that
Edit:Qliphoth knows Japanese and he says so
 
Delta333 said:
then ask people on translations requests threads,I only copied the translation from that
Edit:Qliphoth knows Japanese and he says so
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I didn't say branching was incorrect, I just mentioned that it's not continuous in the sense you're thinking of. The Time Patroller even says that he doesn't know which history is correct. How could he have said that if the histories didn't already exist? That + the other stuff in the blog alone destroy 2-B

For the translation stuff, branching isn't incorrect, but it's referring, again (for reasons above), to something that has already happened, hence why translators online give you infinitely branched opposed to branching. In this context, again, they're exactly the same thing
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
I didn't say branching was incorrect, I just mentioned that it's not continuous in the sense you're thinking of. The Time Patroller even says that he doesn't know which history is correct. How could he have said that if the histories didn't already exist? That + the other stuff in the blog alone destroy 2-B
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Maybe because histories already existed but it’s still branching infinitely,which still means it’s continuous form
Anyways I’m not the suitable person to ask for translation,there is a translation thread in this site so stop asking me about the quality of it since I don’t know Japanese
 
I will say this..
Qlipoth is expert in his field and has been providing reliable translations for entire wiki regularly. If he is saying something contrary we have good reason to critical of the statement.
But as Ottavio explained there is context for "Branched" being correct too, making 2A still an alternative which will be correct.
I suggest we call @Qliphoth_Bacikal himself to get personally involved in the discussion to reach a better consensus.
The experts who have niche scans and knowledge and the translators can discuss it.
 
Also looking back at Ottavio's explanation
The cosmology could be 2A version of braching one.
That is the cosmology is 2A but keeps branching further into a bigger one.
Its not unheard of, EarthBound I belive had similar 2A statements.

This seems a better alternatives to me.😉
 
Delta333 said:
Maybe because histories already existed but it’s still branching infinitely,which still means it’s continuous form
Anyways I’m not the suitable person to ask for translation,there is a translation thread in this site so stop asking me about the quality of it since I don’t know Japanese
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You're not understanding...

1- I never asked you about the quality of it
2- This is the important point you've failed to understand. I'm literally saying that the translation is correct, what I said is that you're just misinterpreting the phrasing/meaning of it, aka taking it out of context
 
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