Hasty12345
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The reasoning holds regardless of who said it. Attack the reasoning, not the opinion stated AFTER the reasoning.
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Xenoverse and heroes Biggest Downgrade ever exist! Born and rise from dust and ashes and returned to it
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What’s kind of argument is it?just because it’s from different site doesn’t mean it’s invalid if it’s reasonable
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Without context? Ok man
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I'm sorry if my comment being viewed as attacking, but my reason is:
when the argument and reasoning is: Personally I would absolutely translate this as. This come as personal preference and taste than an fairness argument which in my eye immediately make the argument as invalid
It is not and argument, the reason is simple, we don't even know the friend actually exist, the argument will be evaluated if they actually come and debate, or just like before many staff said before in DB cosmology CRT staff discussion: discord argument and comment hold nothing. Like SAO CRT, they actually come and debate the CRT and make valid argument. So what i want is encourage his friend from Spacebattle to come and debate
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basically like I said above
They don't care about dragon ball, so I gave it more context (mostly what verse it was from) and they didn't even want to confirm lol
Translate things as literally as possible, context or not is the latter. XV's 2A upgrade actually comes from the translation (Fu's statement about him discovering all possibilities is mistranslation even if you check Gg translate if it's raw), other things support 2A have been debunked by Matt… in the past (who even read all or knew about it when XV was 2A for so long?)
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But he didn’t translate it without reason,the word personally doesn’t affect much tbh
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Which would be a huge issue if he didn't provide reasoning as to WHY is SHOULD be translated that way.
Well I'm invalidating your opinion because it's your "eye" as to why......
I'm sorry, I just think this stance is incredibly anti-productive when the goal is to find an objective quantification for this statement, "disallowing evidence" because of an opinion tagged on the end of it is not productive.
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My friends is not from Spacebattle
They only confirm the translation of a certain translator on Spacebattle
Do you even understand what I'm saying? Are they really exist? Delta is another friend of mine and he can confirm it if you want (he doesn't really care about the results of the CRT, so it's fine)
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Honestly DB is downgraded or not is not my problem since I don’t hate or love the verse,I just want to confirm the mistranslation and the misconception about tier 2-A
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This is not so relevant
Since the infinite history saga and Tokipedia heavily implied the scrolls contained the branching timelines as separate sets rather than themselves.
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Well, infinite timeline could still producing timeline as each timeline could branching to more timelines, in a sense, uncountable infinite, not only that we could have multiple 2-A structure. infinite doesn't mean there should only be one infinite, we could have 2 set or 3 set of infinite, etc.....
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2A cosmology can branch into bigger one, its not impossible, thats why there is no reason for infinite and infinitely branching or expanding to contradict eachother.
Hell Pokèmon has High3A realms which are expanding if i remember correctly, same principle here.
Infinite can expand.
Hell Pokèmon has High3A realms which are expanding if i remember correctly, same principle here.
Infinite can expand.
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Well might aswell reiterate my thoughts
I disagree with the downgrade. @Ottavio_Merluzzo and the other's explained it pretty well imo and Redgrave's translation also supports it. BT3 statement is still usable going by the established rules so there's that aswell
When it comes to mindhax I share similar views with @Yuraga. I can agree with XV1 Demigra not having 4D mindhax, but I disagree when it comes to Heroes Demigra who has blatantly mindhaxed God Ki users and scales above Demon God Dabura. I can also see XV2 Demigra having 4D mindhax due to him being a useful partner to Dabura, but at the very least, Heroes Demigra's mindhax is that powerful
I disagree with the downgrade. @Ottavio_Merluzzo and the other's explained it pretty well imo and Redgrave's translation also supports it. BT3 statement is still usable going by the established rules so there's that aswell
When it comes to mindhax I share similar views with @Yuraga. I can agree with XV1 Demigra not having 4D mindhax, but I disagree when it comes to Heroes Demigra who has blatantly mindhaxed God Ki users and scales above Demon God Dabura. I can also see XV2 Demigra having 4D mindhax due to him being a useful partner to Dabura, but at the very least, Heroes Demigra's mindhax is that powerful
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He translated the part which is specifically talking about the infinite branches. The part before that is just talking about how learning about history can cause a headache
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Just to add a little extra explanation to your point for people who aren't aware, Demigra in the spin-off Ultimate Mission X has multiple feats of mindhaxing entire timelines, as well as several Supreme Kais.
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He didn’t translate “てる”
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BT3 for Heroes. Not Xenoverse
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“てる” is in the quote he translated so I highly doubt that. It only further supports Ottavio's argument
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てる means continuous tense,you will know the reason if you read the link OP said
Also infinite branches is simply 無限に枝分かれ,it has nothing to with てる so I could say Redgrave didn’t translate that word at all
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I already explained This stuff and I'm Not gonna bother anymore to respond to circular arguments. and no, Redgrave translated all the quote, I checked. This is just your headcanon
(Continuos sense doesn't necessarily refer to the future AT ALL, BTW.)
Redgrave, online translators, one of the translations in the blog who has been made by ACTUAL Japanese people and other evidence disagree with 2-B. Stop this nonsense
I wanna point out that I tried every translator possible and they all still give infinite branches. Translators may not be always accurate, but this whole "mistranslation" Argument is getting kinda suspicios to me
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Let's say that translations that support 2-B are correct, "history is infinitely branching"
The crack of time holds every timeline, in past, Present and future. Going by the translation somewhere in the future, the number of timelines would be infinite
So we end up with having the crack of time as 2-A structure.
Thus the cosmology would still be 2-A and everyone who has statements, fetas, scaling that suggests they can destroy the entire history in every point of time would be 2-A
Or anyone who has statements, feats, scaling that suggests they can destroy the crack of time would be 2-A
The crack of time holds every timeline, in past, Present and future. Going by the translation somewhere in the future, the number of timelines would be infinite
So we end up with having the crack of time as 2-A structure.
Thus the cosmology would still be 2-A and everyone who has statements, fetas, scaling that suggests they can destroy the entire history in every point of time would be 2-A
Or anyone who has statements, feats, scaling that suggests they can destroy the crack of time would be 2-A
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Even if it is downgraded to 2B, there is still a way to upgrade it back to 2A even higher
I just asked my friend who confirmed the translation and he confirmed it could be "infinite branched" under other circumstances, but the original meaning is "endlessly branching" and is 70-80% applied
I just asked my friend who confirmed the translation and he confirmed it could be "infinite branched" under other circumstances, but the original meaning is "endlessly branching" and is 70-80% applied
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Why downgrade , then only to upgrade back again by """"twisting"""" the same translation.
Its not a sick game.
Why are we here, only to suffer?
By the way its opposite, its Infinitely branched which is more common than what you have proposed.
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If one statement line have 2 meanings and both are true, then we need to evaluate it to use only 1 of 2 for solid result, if we can't come to a conclusion what we need to use then we took the gray/in-between area which in this case will be Atleast 2-B (As infinite branching is Ad-infinitum which very high into 2-B), Likely 2-A(As the other meaning is infinited branched which mean it is already infinite from the start). There will be no 70-80% or whatever % it is that leaning into 1 side of the 2 meaning, in order to avoid downplay or highball
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Simply confirm the information? Does that have any effect? Believe it or not, it's up to you
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I think the reason it's coming up both is because "infinitely branching" can just mean it branches on forever, not that it's still branching so to translators infinitely branching and infinitely branched mean the same thing.
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We translated it on multiple sites, it gave us the same results.
Yet somehow magical you are the only one who gave us translations that contradicts us. Seems extremely fishy
Why can't we just choose a Site, the translate it.
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We translated it on multiple sites, it gave us the same results.
Yet somehow magical you are the only one who gave us translations that contradicts us. Seems extremely fishy
Why can't we just choose a Site, the translate it..
Infinitely branched mean it has infinite branches.
Not that it branches on forever.
Actually it's infinitely branched, has infinite branches, and will infinitely branch
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What sites do you talk about? I can ask him to confirm the information as thoroughly as possible
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So what does the word てる mean in Redgrave’s translation?
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It stays for "having" In this context,The Japanese people translated that
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Bring him to this site to debate his reason, or atleast screen-shoot his reasoning, if you just talk through third-party like this people will just think you make-up an imaginary friend to hide the fact that it is just your argument
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Basically, "history, on top on having infinite branches" Is where the continuos tense stands. It's just not a future one
