FateAlbane said:
Also saying Voyagers are second only to the Creator is no different from saying Bern and Lambda are comparable to Featherine, which couldn't be any farther from the truth.
Well, I didn't say that. The author himself said this in TIPS
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~A higher witch than the Voyager is called the Creator.
This is not some theory, it is the nature of the Voyagers. Witches who are limited by territories have their own limit of evolution, because of the fact that their territory has its own top layer. However, by definition, they are conceptual embodiments of their territories and one with them. I already spoke about it above.
Voyagers are not limited to territories and this is their main power. They do not have a specific territory, but they are still a conceptual beings and therefore their concepts operate throughout the world. And, accordingly, they identify themselves with the whole world. And the final point in their journey, which is not limited to a specific theory, is becoming the Creator. They are the only creatures who can understand something about this process and therefore experience excitational fear. I ask you to note that they can understand something from a higher domain than the one where their manifestations are located.
I think I should not explain that when the witches move in layers, their relative abilities, nature and concepts do not change. That is, Voyager will remain Voyager with the same concept, no matter at what point of her voyage she will be located. And as FateAlbane has already noted, the composite ladder passes through all domains, and not only limited to the domain of witches, and at the end of the voyage this is unity with the Creator. This is their world through which they make a voyage.
Someone thinks that I want to say that Bern and Lambda as witches are comparable to Featherine. Of course not, Featherine has an abnormally powerful manifestation. She actually reached the Creator and survived. For all intents and purposes in the lower domains, she is just like the Creator itself.
But even Featherine (manifestation) obeys some rules. She lives and dies and will object on the same principles as other higher beings. That is, she need to think in order to live and she goes into oblivion when she dies.
Dead Featherine is not somewhere beyond the reach of Bern. You remember, she sent her a letter. That is, the sea of nothingness and the depths of oblivion is a common background for all layers and domains.
The Grand Court has access to the depths of oblivion, but the Voyagers still identify themselves with the whole world even in comparison with the inquisitors from the court.
But let's consider specifically when Voyagers talk about their unconscious actions and when they identify themselves with the whole world, what exactly is meant.
The simplest example. The origin of the world is a metaphysical miracle. That is, this is what happened unintentionally, which means that it was inevitable. It is just destiny without the intervention of someone's will factor. Yes, by the way, the peak of all things is part of this world created by a miracle. This tells us how strong the manifestation of Bern will be within a separate layer of the human domain.
"Yeah, seriously. A certain future dwells within certain willpower. Our infatuation with the strength of that will leads us to just unconsciously lend our power, right?"┬®
No matter, Higurashi, Umineko or Rewrite, the factor of will is what determines fate and the future. And it is that what is connected with the concept and power of Lambda, which is opposite to the power of Bern, but at the same time they complement each other.
Above, I have already shown that even the manifestation of higher beings from othingness is associated with a will which is undivided from the life process. Correspondingly, loss of will denotes death. And now remember, who is the reaper/shinigami/god of death.
The Witch of the Fragments aka the Witch of Kakera is another title of Bern. Why? Because the existence of the fragments (i.e., crystallization of fate, realization of possibility, inevitability) this is what is provided by her power.
She created a Fragment with a low probability. Of course, we are talking about an unconscious action, because the Gothic loli really does not do anything like that.
You can say that this is only about fragments with a low probability, but no.
All other fragments where the tragedies occur is also her handiwork. And again, consciously she did nothing of the kind. Just each fragment is a crystallized possibility, one of infinity. Miracle and inevitability at the same time. The world is what it is thanks to her unconscious actions. And the sea of fragments is what the voyage of the voyagers runs through; it does not end on the domain of the witches, it is basically the same place with the sea of nothingness.
I remind you that the Lambda and Bern manifestations periodically try to go in different directions, and there they even said that they had a small chance to meet. But here it says that one is always where the other is. Again, there is clearly a hint at their concepts, which together regulate everything that was, can be and can not be.
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Shannon: ~If your power shows the mercilessness of the miracle... How cruel God is...
Bernkastel: ~That 's right.
Yes, there is also this thing.
Yes, there is also this thing. The original says about the top layer witches (ÕàâÞÇüÚÖóÒü¿ÒüäÒüåÚ¡öÕÑ│ÒüƒÒüíÒü«µ£Çõ©èÕ▒ñÒü½ÚÇåÒéëÒüúÒüƒÒü«Òüá). And the term top layer was also used in reference to what Featherine touched (Õ¢╝ÕÑ│Òü»ÒÇüÞç│ÒüúÒüªÒü»Òü¬ÒéëÒü¼µ£Çõ©èÕ▒ñÒü½ÞºªÒéîÒü¬ÒüîÒéëÒÇüþöƒÒüìÒüªÕ©░ÒüúÒüªÒüìÒüƒÒÇü……þÑ×Òü«Õø¢ÒéêÒéèþöƒÚéäÒüùÒüƒÚ¡öÕÑ│Òü¬Òü«Òüá).
Considering that the roles of the Voyagers/Senators are supposed to be provided by some of the qualities of God, I personally can well assume that their concepts exist on the top layer of the whole Creation and so they cover the whole world and that's why their manifestations can reach the Creator. Featherine is anomalous because even her manifestation reached this level but survived as an individual.
So what did I want to say? Voyagers are avatars of some kind of global forces/functionsthat act in all of Creation. But this in fact does not give their manifestations anything but the unlimited potential of evolution, which ends with the transformation into a Creator. Also, their manifestations should be revived as long as the rules of their concepts exist. However, as in the case of Beatrice, resurrected beings may differ from the original ones.
This is how I see their "true forms", that is, what they have in mind when they identify themselves with the world. Why do I even think that it needs to be mentioned, if it is not even a combat characters? Well, I used it only in the versus thread with the outer gods, because their "true forms" also do not destroy anyone and do not fight with anyone and are just impersonal functions of the static Creation. I started talking about it just to hint that "background vs character" or "background vs background" is not something that can be called a normal battle, and it doesn't matter whether it is Nyarlatotep, his nephew Yog-Sothoth or any other archetypical being, they will not and cannot fight or destroy each other each other by definition. We can only compare their importance for the Creation and the complexity of this Creation.
In any case, this is how I see the statistics explanations for the three keys of the Voyagers (Bern in particular).
Key 1 (Relative characteristics/Human Domain manifestation/piece): has control over miracles, the metaphysical power that underlies the existence of the world/Shinra Bansho, which in addition to the three-dimensional universe includes a far higher dimensions, complex quantum structures, wave functions, as well as unimaginable realms out of all time, space/place and coordinates/dimensions, and beyond it there are transcendental coneptual hierarchy, where higher concepts cannot be defined in terms of infinity and everything listed below, and at the peak of existence and intellect disappears even the meaning of steps which determine perspectives of everything that was below
Key 2 (Higher order being/Witch Domain manifestations): is a being of the Witch Domain, completely surpasses any conceptualization of the Human Domain, which already represents a existentional hierarchy of layers that differ from each other as reality and fiction, and where within each individual layer there are own versions of worlds, which including everything from normal humans creatures to the peak of existence; has manifestations on various layers of the domain of the witches, which also differ in reality and fiction; constantly evolving, moving higher and higher along the layers
Key 3 (unconscious nature/concept): she does not have her own territory and limitations of scale and evolution, and therefore her manifestations can potentially move anywhere and evolve as much as possible until merging with the Creator's boundlessness, which is beyond all hierarchies of all domains, including a higher domain than the witches domain; is an unconscious meta-conceptual entity that identified with all of Creation, and it is assumed that the functions of this role represents a certain quality of God itself
