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I agree with refreshing the thread, and admittedly, I don't quite understand the proposals and counterarguments going on here. But perhaps if it was summarized more briefly, things may be easier.
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Umineko Revision 3: The New Tiering System
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Yes. Try to focus on the currently relevant parts that need to be evaluated please.
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So, the 1-A changes on the profiles can be applied? Umineko's profiles need to be oppen first.
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That’s what ant said, yes.
You’ll need to ask on the all purpose request thread I think?
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But imo evaluation from more admins would be better
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The 1-A and 1-A+ stuff are basically passed, as it's agreed by everyone (blue names and staff included).
The contentious parts are the High 1-A and 0. You can read the main post, which is not that long, and JustANormalPerson01 summarized the pro and counter-arguments here.
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Honestly infinitely better from having staff nope out because of seeing 9 pages
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Unfortunely even though JustANormalPerson01 made a good summary, I think any mod pinged here will see the number of pages and immediatly lose their will to evaluate.
So, the better thing to do now is to apply the 1-A/1-A+ part and create another thread for the H1-A stuff.
So, the better thing to do now is to apply the 1-A/1-A+ part and create another thread for the H1-A stuff.
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Ok, that makes sense. I'll maybe make one in the following days. We'll also need to add the 1-A/1-A+ changes to the profiles (and there are a lot of them). I guess we'll leave the stuff that could become High 1-A as just 1-A+ on profiles until that thread passes or something. . .
Where do we place the Voyager's True Forms again?
Where do we place the Voyager's True Forms again?
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I don't think you guys should apply anything just yet. So far as to what I have seen, only Elizhaa and Catzlaflame provided their inputs and approved 1-A. Two staffs shouldn't be enough to apply 1-A revisions at all.
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That is correct, yes. My apologies for misunderstanding.
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Bump
Guess this'll be my last bump of the year
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After rewatching the thread in look for admin comments, it seems that:
@Elizhaa agreed with everything but Tier 0, as well as High 1-A+ Featherine
@Catzlaflame agrees with 1-A and "will comment later about High 1-A since the thread will not pass without Ultima"
About creating a new thread, I'm planning creating an explanation blog with adding it to the verse Page if accepted in mind. It'd only treat 1-A and High 1-A, though, since I'm not sure in the higher tiers myself.
Though exams are pretty near, and due to the time of the year we are in, I doubt I'd be able to work on it until February. So feel free everyone to do it before if you have time to
@Elizhaa agreed with everything but Tier 0, as well as High 1-A+ Featherine
@Catzlaflame agrees with 1-A and "will comment later about High 1-A since the thread will not pass without Ultima"
About creating a new thread, I'm planning creating an explanation blog with adding it to the verse Page if accepted in mind. It'd only treat 1-A and High 1-A, though, since I'm not sure in the higher tiers myself.
Though exams are pretty near, and due to the time of the year we are in, I doubt I'd be able to work on it until February. So feel free everyone to do it before if you have time to
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I would be able to, if the thread creator doesn’t mind it.So is somebody here who knows what they are doing willing to create a new thread that explains what currently needs to be evaluated here, and which staff members that agree with what, please?
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Will you link the new thread after creating it?
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For what it's worth, I completely disagree with High 1-A+ Featherine and Tier 0 Creators. In my view, even the Witch Domain being a 1-A+ hierarchy seems a bit wonky, since, IIRC, it is based on dimensional structures (thus, a High 1-B structure), but I digress. High 1-A+ Featherine seems like an absolute no-go. Even IF the witch domain happens to be an 1-A+ hierarchy, Featherine only has, at best, one layer of superiority over it via "being the pillar that holds up all of the cosmology", thus baseline High 1-A at best. Overall, agree, even if reluctantly, on 1-A stuff and disagree with High 1-A+ and 0 stuff.
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That is completely false, though.
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Then what was the basis for a High 1-B classification of the witch domain, prior to this CRT, in the first place? Genuinely asking, since that was the explanation I remember seeing.
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the witch domain was treated as H1-B due to the infinite RF layers.
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Shouldn't it have been a 1-A+ hierarchy from the start then? Since, IIRC, R>F implies 1-A.
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Because at that point, dimensional superiority and reality-fiction gap were treated as the same thing.
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Ah, makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. In that case I rectify my vote and fully agree with the 1-A stuff and with the baseline High 1-A proposal for Featherine. Still disagree, however, with High 1-A+ and 0.
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Umineko is so
Previous to the Tiering System change, Reality-Fiction over an N-D structure warranted just (N+1)-D, nothing else, reason why it is treated like that.
Even the 07th Cosmology Blog treats the ladder as R-F right now, but Reality-Fiction is just treated as (N+1)-D, due to the old standards
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