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I know I said to just drop it earlier lol, but it only effects one character so we might as well just add it real quick
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How high are the current High 6-As? Hundreds to Thousands of Pentatons or Exatons?So honestly, I’d say we just curb this feat since the god tiers are already high 6A and wait for the last of the novel translation.
Yeah hopefully the anime will help clear this feat up lol. But that’s a good 1 or 2 or maybe even more years to clarify for sure. That’s why I’m saying we stick with your accepted 30s timeframe for now.Ten seconds in total from the moment the rubble starts being lifted to the all of the rubble being in the Royal Palace still seems too quick to me for the sequence of events.
(This is one of those cases where the anime might have helped clarify things since like most of this feat is off-panel)
I think the current ones are into the couple of dozens pentatons, but this feat would be a nice little upgrade to separate the god tiers from the top tiers since High 6A is such a vast tier.How high are the current High 6-As? Hundreds to Thousands of Pentatons or Exatons?
Yeah hopefully the anime will help clear this feat up lol. But that’s a good 1 or 2 or maybe even more years to clarify for sure. That’s why I’m saying we stick with your accepted 30s timeframe for now.
Uh correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t using potential energy vastly lower the feat?There is another alternative where we use Potential Energy to calculate the feat, since that doesn't require us to assume an explicit timeframe at all and can be considered more trustworthy.
Uh correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t using potential energy vastly lower the feat?
I’ve seen it in other calcs including this one and the difference in lowering the feat is phenomenal lol
So I’m right that it would be at a least a thousand times lower than the currently accepted 30s calc? Then sure, if you feel it’s better to use that method then **** it, RG soul king/god tier level Renji, and Byakuya, here we come lolIt would be Continent level instead of Multi-Continent level.
Stronger characters can have worse calcs/feats, it's pretty common. That's why AP is a thing.So I’m right that it would be at a least a thousand times lower than the currently accepted 30s calc? Then sure, if you feel it’s better to use that method then **** it, RG soul king/god tier level Renji, and Byakuya, here we come lol
But that’s why I’m worried he’d suggest using those worse calcs as an accurate basis for their tiers. He’s all about accuracy which I have no hate about, but using what he suggest puts people that are clearly above those accurate feats in the same tier as people who are clearly far weaker than them doesn’t make any sense what so ever unless it’s in his mind. But at this point, yeah **** it prime soul king is RG Renji/ Yamamoto tier since it's accurateStronger characters can have worse calcs/feats, it's pretty common. That's why AP is a thing.
So I’m right that it would be at a least a thousand times lower than the currently accepted 30s calc? Then sure, if you feel it’s better to use that method then **** it, RG soul king/god tier level Renji, and Byakuya, here we come lol
@Damage, like seriously, do you see what you’re trying to suggest here with the potential energy method? Even getting rid of any multipliers that bring bring high tiers to continent level tier, you’re basically saying that a normal peak shinigami like Yamamoto can deal with the absolute god tiers of the verse that for one of the reasons is them being a hybrid of multiple species and far beyond what a normal shinigami could be? I mean sure, try and go the potential energy route, but at that point, eos Ichigo and soul king absorbed Yhwach are equal to regular shinigami so that means, Renji is strong enough to be soul king. Do you agree with that?
@Damage, I know I’m responding fast and a little heated that you’d even suggest that method, but until you give me a reason on why we’d lower Yhwach’s feat by thousands of times I wanna see what accurate explanation you have to downgrade the god tiers to eventually 6B ulquiorra tier
How so? As I said, it's literally less than 10 pages, starting the feat from rubble moving at the SK palace is wrong since the rubble moving from Seiretei clearly doesn't happen simultaneously, otherwise we would already see it in the air, which we don't in this top panel, so the feat should start from here.Ten seconds in total from the moment the rubble starts being lifted to the all of the rubble being in the Royal Palace still seems too quick to me for the sequence of events.
(This is one of those cases where the anime might have helped clarify things since like most of this feat is off-panel)
Exact timeframe? Of course not, but a timeframe can be reasoned from it.The number of pages aren't an exact timeframe since the majority of the feat occurs off-screen and there is clearly a jump between this page and this page. Also trying to say that panels/pages are indicative of a low timeframe in general makes zero sense. It's not like counting frames per second on a video.
Thirty seconds isn't too long. Look at how much is being spoken just over these three pages. Just doing a rough estimate on calculating words per minute spoken gives me 28 seconds as being the necessary amount of time for all these speech bubbles to occur over the course of the feat. And this isn't even the full feat.
In certain situations using the amount of words spoken to find a timeframe isn't valid because Talking is a Free Action during high-speed combat, but that isn't a valid excuse for this feat.
And there is no "no reason" to change it to PE. PE is just more accurate than KE since less additional assumptions have to be made.
Talking is a free action in all scenarios, you can't just make an exception here because you want to.
Not sure how you consider 30 seconds a "low timeframe", it literally says on the calculations page that feats that happen in a short time should be assumed to be one second and while this isn't quite that fast, neither is it far slower, yet you're saying we should either use 30 seconds or just scrap a timeframe entirely.
I'm not seeing how you think there was a time jump there, nothing from those two pages you linked indicates that to me.
It isn't more accurate though, the calc itself is already being quite heavily lowballed but that isn't enough for you, it has to fit your weird scaling which is evident from you bringing up Renji earlier. Timeframes are allowed to be assumed when no timeframe is given, this is explicitly stated on the calculations page.
Because he can, it's just that simple.@Damage, The distance between the seireitei and the soul king palace is already massively lowballed so I don’t see why you’d want to further lower the results by thousands of times other than what you see as “accurate”. Let’s just stick with the 30 sec and call it a day yeah?
Whatever, there's no arguing with Damage especially in regards to Bleach, it's his way or the highway so to speak.
That only failed because you regurgitated the same argument used half a dozen other times to downgrade Seiretei size, if you had used something new, I have no doubt we'd have a mountain sized Seiretei right now.Clearly you missed the Seireitei thread, where we are still currently using the ridiculously inflated size for the Seireitei & Wandenreich.
In regards to the timeframe, I kinda wonder why Damage never brought up his concerns for when it was previously done and is only bringing them up now lol. If he did bring them up before I apoligize but I’ve never seen someone so against it lmao. And judging by his most recent comment, he’s salty as **** about his seireitei thread but now he kinda knows how the rest of the bleach fandom feels when he downgrades everything about BleachWhatever, there's no arguing with Damage especially in regards to Bleach, it's his way or the highway so to speak.
I mean we literally have Shinji visibly shocked about how fast the feat happens and he can't believe it, but nah, let's just remove a timeframe entirely so the calc can be lowballed as much as possible, that's basically how Bleach powerscaling has been here for half a year now, the lowest possible result or nothing.
Because he can, it's just that simple.
Unforunately the ship has sailed for 30 seconds, nothing is stopping him with just going with PE now, this calc has no purpose other than for Damage to argue for downgrading other stuff.
That only failed because you regurgitated the same argument used half a dozen other times to downgrade Seiretei size, if you had used something new, I have no doubt we'd have a mountain sized Seiretei right now.
In regards to the timeframe, I kinda wonder why Damage never brought up his concerns for when it was previously done and is only bringing them up now lol. If he did bring them up before I apoligize but I’ve never seen someone so against it lmao. And judging by his most recent comment, he’s salty as **** about his seireitei thread but now he kinda knows how the rest of the bleach fandom feels when he downgrades everything about Bleach
Just curious man, can you calc the sizes of your “accurate” visuals and post them real quick? If the seireitei comes out as smaller than Karakura town than I’ll know you’re kinda losing your mindJust because people disagreed with it in the past doesn't make the rejections more valid as a reason to reject it again. I believe that the current evidence we have is pretty good for the consistent size of the Wandenreich in the final arc. I also believe that people are hypocritical in criticizing the use of visuals for certain feats but being fully on board with using the visuals in other feats.
So basically you're admitting that you just repeat the same threads and arguments in hope that the people who disagreed with it before aren't around or care to disagree with it again?Just because people disagreed with it in the past doesn't make the rejections more valid as a reason to reject it again. I believe that the current evidence we have is pretty good for the consistent size of the Wandenreich in the final arc. I also believe that people are hypocritical in criticizing the use of visuals for certain feats but being fully on board with using the visuals in other feats.
No offense, but you’ve fought VERY hard to get rid of or downgrade every calc in bleach so far. So I have reason to believe since there’s not a lot of staff members that wanna get involved in Bleach you think you have free reign and control over the verse as if you’ve wrote itDo you want me to just hop in my time machine and go back in time to raise my objections? What the hell?
You know I can't be on every thread, or have the energy to fight every argument, all the time, right?
What the hell do you want from me?
So basically you're admitting that you just repeat the same threads and arguments in hope that the people who disagreed with it before aren't around or care to disagree with it again?
Because that's literally what's happening here, the 10 second timeframe was fine before, but it just so happens that the staff members who agreed with that 10 second version are either retired or inactive.
No offense, but you’ve fought VERY hard to get rid of or downgrade every calc in bleach so far. So I have reason to believe since there’s not a lot of staff members that wanna get involved in Bleach you think you have free reign and control over the verse as if you’ve wrote it
No, staff members are allowed to and should have differing opinions, but the fact remains that several staff members were fine with the 10 second end way back when and nothing regarding the feat in that respect has changed.Why do I care if some staff members from years ago settled on a specific timeframe? Are all staff members supposed to share the same opinions now?
Uhh maybe? There’s still other crts to think about and I just want this one too end lol. I’d appreciate if Damage or somebody could start commenting on the lifting strength crt because I feel that’s a little more important than this threadWhat about 25 seconds?
Is this thread for the implementation of the calculation into the scaling, or is there another reason for this thread?User blog:Cyberblader9/Wandenreich Lift (Bleach) | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
This is my attempt at the wandenreich lift, taking some recommendations. I added in the ice mass, so it gets 5.265368068833711 Exatons, Multi Continental with the 30 second end. The 30 seocnd end was approved by calc member, Damage.
Damage accepted here