Vegeta fights a blonde woman... again (7-12-1).

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

You repeating the same argument is not veryconvincing of anything. Basic, simple physics tell you very simply that pulling and pushing isn't the same as striking, and she's the one that can pull Vegeta much, much easier without breaking a sweat. He tries that, he's not succeeding ever.

Your sarcasm's inability to provide any proof also isn't a good argument. Like, I am pretty sure you could knock a nobody even if you were average. ****, I have. Now put your entire strength into simple pulling hard at someone's arm.

You may find that, surprisingly, something happening is very unlikely.

 

[Dragomer]

And you repeating the same nonsense isn't making it suddenly a sensible argument.

Basic physics tell you both hardness and tensile strength scale linearly by your own link, also a punch isn't purely hitting a human's 'hardness', most of the damage a punch to the face does is internal, buddy, it's not surface damage like mentionned in your link and once again, durability isn't hardness, durability is all of that taken into account.

No, she's the one who has no hope of overcoming Vegeta's durability to rip anything while Vegeta has demonstrated both the capacity and willingness to do that against opponents who had less of a gap than her.

Demonstrating the absurdity of your claim is a very good argument.

Yes, ripping someone's arm off is harder than punching them, thanks for finaly understanding basic logic, pulling doesn't negate durability, it's actualy harder to overcome durability that way so now you still end up with Vegeta ripping of the arms of people who had less of a gap with him than Marvel has and so she still get her arm ripped off if she tries to grapple even if you try to nonsense your way into saying it's LS, Vegeta has feats of doing it either way.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It is when you fail to refute it. They don't scale linearly with each other, no. They simply scale linearly. And it really isn't all of that taken into account, as we use it mainly to refer to resisting attack potency. Is the very reason Dargoo wanted to put dura to heat and cold as well, as neither have anything to do with durability as defined in our system.

Considering she can pull much harder than him, that's laughably wrong. You are telling me the character with the lifting strength that is orders upon orders of magnitude higher won't be pulling harder than someone that punches stronger.

What's the absurdity in explaining you have no clue what lifting strength is?

And again all you can provide is sarcasm, thank you. And having feats means nothing, simply means 19's tensile strength is painfully lower than Vegeta's LS. Or at least higher than his own LS because he can't pull back.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ripping someone's arms off is an AP Feat as it requires your own muscles to be strong and durable enough to withstand ripping apart their muscles.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Ripping apart... which is pulling... which is LS.

Goddamn, everyone is talking chinese today.

 

[Dragomer]

They scale linearly, that's all that matters.

And attack potency isn't 'capacity to scratch a surface' so it doesn't refer to overcoming hardness.

Except she can't, he's more than 5 stronger than her, she try to pull back, her arm come off even easier, that's laughably basic.

Yes, the guy who has proven feat of ripping arms of people slightly weaker than him will rip off the arm of someone 5 time weaker than him.

The absurdity is in your claim that somehow, pulling and ripping someone's arm isn't overcoming their durability and an AP feat, that someone pulling is durability negation.

Yes, i can provide an exemple of how absurd your claim is, taking your absurd claim to their logical conclusion is a valid way to show your argument doesn't work.

Having feats mean everything we have a feat of Vegeta ripping off the arm of someone vaguely weaker than him, overcoming his durability, which is star level, with his AP or if you want to keep your nonsense his LS while less than 5 time stronger than him, that still end up with Marvel getting her arms ripped off.

....You're aware that pulling back doesn't suddenly boost your durability ? if anything it would make your arm come off easier, if two force pull on something with strength surpassed it's durability (or just one force surpassing it's durability), that's something will be ripped off, so even if we say okay to your stuff, she still end up without her arms.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

https://youtu.be/ypaYSnpwkfY

 

[The_Impress]

Ripping off arms is a combination of LS and Durability, she can't just rip off his arm, but she can reasonably pin him down and toss him till kingdom comes with little resistance.

Then again he can just blast free.

Also "grace" isn't over because I voted Carol (which for some reason OP didn't list), so ya see what happens is,it's 7-5 hence it was put outside grace.

 

[Dragomer]

Ripping off arms is a combination of LS and Durability, she can't just rip off his arm, but she can reasonably pin him down with little resistance.
Then again he can just blast free.

Also "grace" isn't over because I voted Carol (which for some reason OP didn't list), so ya see what happens is,it's 7-5 hence it was put outside grace.

But Vegeta can very much rip off her arms, we litteraly see him do so to C19 who was less than 5 time weaker than him.

You then said it was a stomp for Vegeta and you were closing the thread, that's probably why OP didn't count it.

 

[Omegas03]

Ripping off arms is a combination of LS and Durability, she can't just rip off his arm, but she can reasonably pin him down and toss him till kingdom comes with little resistance.

Then again he can just blast free.

Also "grace" isn't over because I voted Carol (which for some reason OP didn't list), so ya see what happens is,it's 7-5 hence it was put outside grace. and hell, Lancy voted so it's 7-6

Oh, sorry for not counting the votes. I didn't pay much attention tbh

 

[The_Impress]

Ripping off is LS and Dura, he can't rip off jackshit because he has nowhere close to the LS Carol has, so he can't even make her budge, let alone rip something.

Mhmm, did it turn out that way? No? Then my vote should be count

 

[The_Impress]

Also good luck getting in melee range where she can just mindwipe you, so

 

[Dragomer]

Ripping off is LS and Dura, he can't rip off jackshit because he has nowhere close to the LS Carol has, so he can't even make her budge, let alone rip something.
Mhmm, did it turn out that way? No? Then my vote should be count

No, pulling back suddenly make her durability shot through the roof, her arm would still get ripped if she pull back. If we consider ripping off limbs as LS feats, we litteraly have shown Vegeta doing so to someone with star level durability.

Yeah, now it should be counted but stomp votes aren't counted and you changed your vote pretty quick, can't blame OP.

 

[The_Impress]

No, that is literally not how it works... Lifting Strength is always active, it's not something you can like, turn off lol.

K

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Her arm can withstand her LS, it wouldn't.

I still don't understand how something so basic is lost in you. Carol isn't gonna be hurt by pulling strength pitifully weaker than her own pulling strength that causes absolutely no harm to herself.

I honestly think the most laughable thing you have said is that his AP... is gonna make him pull harder than she can pull, which is several upon several magnitudes harder, so he can do nothing.

But according to you, magically her arm is gonna break with something so far below her ability to resist it isn't even funny.

 

[The_Impress]

Like I know in the oneshot range characters can just rip off limbs in a single hit using striking strength, but that doesn't happen in like, 4x lol. So either that's an outlier or Vegeta is in oneshot range

 

[Dragomer]

No, that is literally not how it works... Lifting Strength is always active, it's not something you can like, turn off lol.
K

That wasn't my point, LS could be active 1000% of the time, it still wouldn't boost her durability, if something beyond her durability pull on her, her LS isn't saving her.

And ripping off someone's limbs being LS is absolutly nonsense.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

A pulling feat being LS is absolute nonsense?

This gets funnier.

 

[Dragomer]

Her arm can withstand her LS, it wouldn't.
I still don't understand how something so basic is lost in you. Carol isn't gonna be hurt by pulling strength pitifully weaker than her own pulling strength that causes absolutely no harm to herself.

I honestly think the most laughable thing you have said is that his AP... is gonna make him pull harder than she can pull, which is several upon several magnitudes harder, so he can do nothing.

But according to you, magically her arm is gonna break with something so far below her ability to resist it isn't even funny.

Her arms can't handle Vegeta's AP, it would.

And i still don't understand how you can tell that nonsense seriously, Carol is very much gonna get her arm ripped off by a strength 5 time superior to what she can tank.

If someone is pulling at something and you pull back harder, what you're both pulling is still being broken.

And the most hilarious part for me is that you're trying to pretend someone would look at Vegeta ripping off C19's arm and think it's LS related.

That's not magical, that's Vegeta being far above her durability.

 

[The_Impress]

It wouldn't even come to durability when Vegeta can't even physically move her arm an inch, and also see above.

No it's not... equating striking strength to lifting strength when we've specifically told not to, is.

 

[Dragomer]

It wouldn't even come to durability when Vegeta can't even physically move her arm an inch, and also see above.
No it's not... equating striking strength to lifting strength when we've specifically told not to, is.

Vegeta outstrip her maximum power output 5 time over, her arms is not only being moved, it's getting ripped off.

Yes, it very much is and no, i'm not equating striking strength and lifting strength, i'm saying ripping someone's arm is AP, which it is.

 

[Omegas03]

Could Vegeta free himself via powering up? Lol just asking.

 

[Dragomer]

Could Vegeta free himself via powering up? Lol just asking.

Vegeta can free himself by doing that : https://youtu.be/ypaYSnpwkfY

no need for power up.

 

[The_Impress]

Also like legit, do you think folks vaporize above 7.5x? Either that ripping off feat is an outlier or he's in the oneshot range. Pivk your poison

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Pulling someone's arm off is AP.

That's the main issue. You think is but it is not.

Just because something can deal damage and has to get past durability mean that it is entirely AP based.

Pulling on shit is LS. That's literally what it is. And LS tells us he can't even make her arm twitch if he pulls. If he punched it, that may be different.

 

[Dragomer]

Also like legit, do you think folks vaporize above 7.5x? Either that ripping off feat is an outlier or he's in the oneshot range. Pivk your Poison

The one shot range in DB is 1.2 as shown in the namek saga, that's already being discussed.

Also he got vaporized after getting his hands ripped off, he was already defeated with no way to defend himself, like when Goku vaporized Golden Freezer in ROF.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Regardless of whatever it is, I don't see why he wouldn't just kick her if he did get in this situation or headbutt her.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I don't even see why you guys are arguing over Vegeta ripping her arm off. Vegeta may lack lifting strength, but can't he just crush her hands by gripping down on them with his hands?

 

[Dragomer]

Pulling someone's arm off is AP.
That's the main issue. You think is but it is not.

Just because something can deal damage and has to get past durability mean that it is entirely AP based.

Pulling on shit is LS. That's literally what it is. And LS tells us he can't even make her arm twitch if he pulls. If he punched it, that may be different.

Yes it is.

It is, everyone think it is, you're overcoming someone's durability with your power, no one see Hulk rip Wolverine in half and think 'wow, he can lift a lot'.

No, it isn't, ripping someone's arm is AP, that's what it is and actual feat tell us the gap is big enough for Vegeta to rip off her arms.

 

[The_Impress]

So he oneshot Android 19, either that puts him at oneshot range for Carol, or Vegeta ripping off his arms is an outlier, according to your logic.

And no that's straight up wrong lol.

 

[Dragomer]

I don't even see why you guys are arguing over Vegeta ripping her arm off. Vegeta may lack lifting strength, but can't he just crush her hands by gripping down on them with his hands?

Because that's LS according to them.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It is actually not. We don't use power levels as indications of accurate strength. That's the whole reason things rely on the Super Saiyan multipliers, because they are actually accepted.

Kaio-Ken needed to be pointed out to multiply power and speed by the number in question, rather than simply multiply the power level, before it was accepted as a full on multiplier for use in Goku's profile.

 

[Omegas03]

Uhhh, I don't think this affect Drago's argument that much but I don't think anyone is one shotting here. Despite the gap is 2x or more here it isn't one shot range. Also the fact that IIRC after the Namek Arc 1.2x gap isn't treated as one shot or so.

 

[Dragomer]

So he oneshot Android 19, either that puts him at oneshot range for Carol, or Vegeta ripping off his arms is an outlier, according to your logic.
And no that's straight up wrong lol.

He beat C19, ripped off his arm and then charged a ki blast to kill him after he already almost coundn't move, if that's one shot, then Goku was able to one shot Golden Freezer, we both know this is nonsense.

'no, lol' isn't an argument, ripping someone's arm is overcoming their durability as an AP feat, no one has ever seen ripping limbs off as 'damn, he lift a lot', that's nonsense

If you were right Vegeta would have star level LS through overcoming C19's durability with his LS but he doesn't because everyone see it's an AP feat.

 

[Dragomer]

It is actually not. We don't use power levels as indications of accurate strength. That's the whole reason things rely on the Super Saiyan multipliers, because they are actually accepted.
Kaio-Ken needed to be pointed out to multiply power and speed by the number in question, rather than simply multiply the power level, before it was accepted as a full on multiplier for use in Goku's profile.

We do for those stated in the manga and anime, we ignored the guide ones that all.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Piccolo, with weights, is 322. Destroys the moon, 5-B, shortly after that. Shortly before this in the 23th Budokai Tournament, so should be lower than this, Low 6-B.

Roshi, chapter 209 appraised at 139. Not even 3x below Raditz Piccolo, but 7-B.

I fail to see why you would ever use them, or where that was ever accepted officially.

Also, pulling is still LS. So still no.

 

[Dragomer]

It doesn't change it's sti'l used.

Nope, still AP, try again, otherwise Cyborg saga Vegeta would have star level LS.

So Vegeta still rip off her arms if she tries to grab.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It does change that it is being used for no reason when the inconsistencies have been repeated ad nauseum before. I also don't remember them being ever used in another thread I've seen.

Not really, I literally pointed out that endurance and tensile strength aren't treated as scaling linearly with each other.

If you really think that's the case, just make a CRT and give Vegeta Star level LS. See how that goes.

 

[The_Impress]

Also Crushing is LS, AP is just striking strength

 

[Dragomer]

You're so objectively wrong that ripping off limbs is litteraly the AP justification for multiple profiles like the Kappa.

Spoiler it wouldn't work because everyone would say it's an AP feat because it is.

Now if you want your nonsense accepted, go make a CRT to remove ripping off limbs as an AP justification.