Vegeta fights a blonde woman... again (7-12-1).

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah feels like it's a pretty Cap marvel win here.

I vote zark cap marvel.

 

[DarkGrath]

I'm also gonna go for Captain Marvel.

 

[Schnee_One]

Captain Meh FRA

 

[Spinoirr]

The woman fra

Now if only we had a future manga trunks and manga Goku black profiles. They have different powers from the anime so they should be allowed

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

The woman fra

Now if only we had a future manga trunks and manga Goku black profiles. They have different powers from the anime so they should be allowed

Yeah they're pretty different tbh. Power and ability wise, and we even have a Manga Fused Zamasu.

 

[Schnee_One]

How different are we talking

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

How different are we talking

It's a completely different continuity with a different storyline and events.

As far as scaling Goes: Trunks would be 4-B and have healing iirc.

Goku Black would be 3-B in base form, and he doesn't have some of his anime abilities. Goku Black also needs a profile because he's important for Manga power scaling for Goku and Vegeta.

 

[Nitro90]

It's a completely different continuity with a different storyline and events.

As far as scaling Goes: Trunks would be 4-B and have healing iirc.

Goku Black would be 3-B in base form, and he doesn't have some of his anime abilities. Goku Black also needs a profile because he's important for Manga power scaling for Goku and Vegeta. </dive

7-3 thoƒæÇ. Also is the only difference in trunks the healing and tier?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Vegeta FRA.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

The storyline is very different in general. This was just off the top of my head. And it should be fine because we have other Manga profiles with relatively minimal differences.

 

[Nitro90]

The storyline is very different in general. This was just off the top of my head. And it should be fine because we have other Manga profiles with relatively minimal differences.

I think we also need more toei profiles like piccolo and buu. Anyway back on topic voting inco

 

[Newendigo]

I also voted for Captain Marvel you know...

And the counter argument that had in the notes, seems I will have to improve it...

 

[Litentric_Teon]

This was an interesting read.

Carol's profile seems like it needs a few touch ups.

Also, doesn't the redish-brown color mean folk are part of the calculation group?

 

[Newendigo]

They are discussion moderators. They may or may not be part of the calc group.

 

[Litentric_Teon]

Oh. Discussion moderators. Gotcha. Thank you.

 

[Omegas03]

I had a guy listed two times in the vote count. It's actually 7 to 10 so grace started a few hours ago.

 

[DizzyMW3]

Captain Marvel FRA

 

[Dragomer]

No, lifting strength has nothing to do with breaking someone's arm, Vegeta can litteraly just squeeze her arms to break them, it would be very easy to escape and her grappling him is once again very unlikely, C19 tried and that didn't end well.

Actially, lifting a person's arm off from their bone joints to break it is lifting strength.

The wiki disagree with you, multiple profiles have ripping off limbs as their AP justification while none have that as lifting strength.

None look at Jason ripping off a dude's arm and think 'damn, he can lift'.

And don't tell me 'it's because we extrapole that AP from their insta LS (whatever that means)' because most of those profiles like this one have LS as 'unknown'.

 

[The_Impress]

Did they rip off the arm of comparable people? Also instantaneous Lifting Strength, surprisingly, does scale to Attack Potency.

At this point this argument has been blown to smithereens so many times by so many people, it's downright laughable. You can't rip off someone's arm at 10x, let alone doing anything close to that at 4x, you're talking shit far beyond oneshot range rn Jesus Christ.

 

[The_Impress]

Also stop editing in comments which we can't read, and then that profile's straight up wrong, because that would scale to that profile's LS regardless

 

[Schnee_One]

Its not impossible to have both lifting strength as AP, as it does require you to have the strength to do that.

However, they still require to have the strength to do so to begin with. Jason's profile has the lifting strength for that listed as Class 5 so the very example you're using proves this correct.

Vegeta and Cap are comparable, however Vegeta's lifting is comparable to the largest ship on Earth while Cap is scaled to a small planet, Cap casually breaks free from his Lifting and breaks his arm due to a gap that large.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

But Vegeta did do it to someone who's not even 2x weaker than him(C19), and the way I see it, LS will only become a factor if Vegeta is caught by her. When has that become a forgone conclusion lol? Sorry I slept and missed a lot so idk much of what was said, but this is my take on the situation.

 

[Schnee_One]

C19 doesn't have the lifting strength to lift a planet, he's only class M.

So no, Marvel overpowers in the lifting fight.

 

[The_Impress]

@Uchicha if he can rip off the arms of something that he's just 2x Stronger, then either it's a massive outlier, or fucky scaling in verse.

*inhales*

YOU'RE LITERALLY DESCRIBING SHIT THAT HAPPENS AT 20X AP ADVANTAGE JESUS CHRIST IT LITERALLY CAN NEVER HAPPEN AT 4X JUST BECAUSE FOR SCALING PURPOSES C19 WAS GIVEN A LOWER MARGIN DOESN'T MEAN IT TRANSLATES 1 TO 1 IN A VERSUS SCENARIO

*exhales*

 

[Schnee_One]

@Zark No he's correct

It's completely possible to rip off the arm of someone comparable in lifting strength.

It does literally nothing in a fight where Cap beats him in lifting strength by miles however

 

[Dragomer]

Its not impossible to have both lifting strength as AP, as it does require you to have the strength to do that.
However, they still require to have the strength to do so to begin with. Jason's profile has the lifting strength for that listed as Class 5 so the very example you're using proves this correct.

Vegeta and Cap are comparable, however Vegeta's lifting is comparable to the largest ship on Earth while Cap is scaled to a small planet, Cap casually breaks free from his Lifting and breaks his arm due to a gap that large.

I never said it was impossible, i said ripping off limbs is considered as AP thing first with characters having unknowing lifting strength having 'ripping off limbs' as their AP justification.

Keep ignoring the exemple i provided where that isn't the case and no, this doesn't prove it correct, no one has ever taken those scenes as lifting instead of AP, that's my point.

No, Vegeta is 5 time stronger at least and ripped through star level durability with what you're calling 'LS'.

Once again, no, large planete anything doesn't suddenly bypass Vegeta's durability, she isn't breaking shit, LS doesn't bypass durability even if we accepted it was LS.

 

[Dragomer]

C19 doesn't have the lifting strength to lift a planet, he's only class M.
So no, Marvel overpowers in the lifting fight.

But C19 has star level durability, ripping someone apart isn't LS vs LS, it's Durability vs AP (or by your nonsense, LS)

No matter how you try to twist it, Vegeta has the feat to rip off the arms of someone less than 5 time weaker than him so he can and will do it if Marvel try to grab him, casualy.

 

[Newendigo]

Anyway, I will point out few ***** that I had to answer.

>Scaling.

The scaling chain with Iron Man has been accepted for what it comes to be 2 years, you can see it nearly any other fight that the dude had, and while I gotta say it had some changes, is basically the same.

I didn't used a specific number because A), it implies I would need some multiplier, A.2), I personally hate multipliers so I avoid using them in my comments, B) Is not something that is commonly used in Marvel/DC threads as is not an appropiate mechanic due to the nature of both, B.2) It's a hell of discussion on it's own right.

But if I'm asked, I will "play the card" then.

>Absorption.

I stated pretty clear in my reply that her max should be, by all means, after Binary, you guys can see very well that she was already in Binary when absorbing Abomination.

And bitch please, this is Marvel comics, we are not gonna pick one instance in which a planet buster struggles with a dog, we go by consistency, Marvel has shown many times that she can absorb far more energy than that, the scan above is clear as crystal when absorbing the energy of a black hole, while in Binary, and she is not even annoyed.

She can absorb energy from 4-Bs when High 6-A, a gap far beyond the thousand, if anything, by upscaling, she can easily suck dry Vegetal and still feel empty.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

@Uchicha if he can rip off the arms of something that he's just 2x Stronger, then either it's a massive outlier, or fucky scaling in verse.

Chill bruh Jesus Christ Lmao....

 

[The_Impress]

@Zark No he's correct

It's completely possible to rip off the arm of someone comparable in lifting strength.

It does literally nothing in a fight where Cap beats him in lifting strength by miles however

The context is even by their logic of using AP to rip off arms it can literally never happen because that's describing a oneshot scenario.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Carol FRA

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Hold on, is Vegeta attempting to kill her at all in this match?

 

[The_Impress]

Actually I think the profile you linked is just a poor outdated one, it would actually mention the LS required to rip off their arms and it definitely wouldn't be Unknown lol

 

[Schnee_One]

But C19 has star level durability, ripping someone apart isn't LS vs LS, it's Durability vs AP (or by your nonsense, LS)

No matter how you try to twist it, Vegeta has the feat to rip off the arms of someone less than 5 time weaker than him so he can and will do it if Marvel try to grab him, casualy.

And Vegeta is Star Level, your point?

Vegeta has a feat that he can rip off arms of Those comparable to him, which is completely possible

Against someone thousands of times stronger in lifting strength it's moot.

 

[The_Impress]

Chill bruh Jesus Christ Lmao....

I mean it's pretty obvious I'm joking given the inhale exhale shit.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If Vegeta is trying to kill her he might just use Dirty Fireworks since he can sense the difference in power.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Vegeta isn't wasting time he has better skills and tactics and if necessary he will play Dirty.

Voting Vegeta

 

[Dragomer]

@Zark No he's correct

It's completely possible to rip off the arm of someone comparable in lifting strength.

It does literally nothing in a fight where Cap beats him in lifting strength by miles however

The context is even by their logic of using AP to rip off arms it can literally never happen because that's describing a oneshot scenario.

That isn't a one shot scenario, we litteraly see Vegeta beat the shit out of him and cripple him before finishing him off with a ki blast, that's not a one shot if you have to actualy fight and cripple your opponents before delivering a killing blow.

And once again, the 7x AP gap has been accepted multiple time to not apply to multiple DB fight, otherwise Vegeta on namek would suddenly be 7 time stronger than his saiyan saga self when facing Cui, which is not the accepted scailing at all.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

If Vegeta is trying to kill her he might just use Dirty Fireworks since he can sense the difference in power.

Pretty much, if he's trying to kill... he'll point, then she'll explode.

 

[Schnee_One]

Hold on, is Vegeta attempting to kill her at all in this match?

He kills in character no?

Of course