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Vegeta fights a blonde woman... again (7-12-1).
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Anyways he can't rip off her arms because Vegeta neither has the AP (Way above 7.5x to do that, doesn't matter what the verse considers) nor the LS to do so.
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Litteraly every single FNAF profile disagree with you on that, you're objectively wrong, multiple.characters have crushing stuff as their AP justification.
Because we can scale instantaneous LS to their AP.
Because we can scale instantaneous LS to their AP.
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He doesn't have the AP because Vs thread rules dictate that for shit like that to happen, you must be way the **** above oneshot margin
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If Vegeta both has a major LS disadvantage, and does not have the 7.5x advantage needed for one-shotting, then why is "he'll rip off her arms" being used as an argument? Vegeta physically shouldn't be capable of it.
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Mate we dicsuss breaking bones with every hit in the oneshot range, you're just talking about ripping arms off with a single hit. Like, why do you think that margin exists then?
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This wiki state you need a 7x gap to one shot, nothing about a minimum gap to rip off limbs and Vegeta didn't one shot C19 either so trying to make a clear feat not applicable doesn't work.
Also the one shot gap was accepted as not being applicable to multiple fights in DB where someone one shotted someone way less than 7x wzaker than them, if we used 7x for every one shot in DB, the accepted scailing would be way different.
And oncz again, ripping off limbs is AP, multiple prorfile use it as AP justification while having liftong strength as unknown.
Also the one shot gap was accepted as not being applicable to multiple fights in DB where someone one shotted someone way less than 7x wzaker than them, if we used 7x for every one shot in DB, the accepted scailing would be way different.
And oncz again, ripping off limbs is AP, multiple prorfile use it as AP justification while having liftong strength as unknown.
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Anyways given Vegeta is an egotistical **** who downright asked folks to try ot heir best attacks on them, and Carol established using it against physically stronger opponents as her best maneuver, she can very well mindwipe.
And Vegeta never fights in full capacity so she can very well tank most his blasts and given that he has no reason to pull off a feckin Final Flash or something with his absolute best.
Another thing to note is that Carol isn't downright insane and doesn't entirely depend on her energy absorption.
These are the points for Carol I guess, character points and Carol being able to absorb most hits alongside having a very reliable oneshot on her.
And Vegeta never fights in full capacity so she can very well tank most his blasts and given that he has no reason to pull off a feckin Final Flash or something with his absolute best.
Another thing to note is that Carol isn't downright insane and doesn't entirely depend on her energy absorption.
These are the points for Carol I guess, character points and Carol being able to absorb most hits alongside having a very reliable oneshot on her.
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Are you drunk? Explain to me what a oneshot means, please
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Didn't Vegeta quite literally completely destroy 19 when he was done being sadistic, using a single Big Bang Attack?
That sounds like One Shot.
That sounds like One Shot.
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Alright, so why can't Vegeta just kick her while she is holding him? Vegeta has shown a propensity for kicking, after all. And unless she has some specific pain tolerance or willpower capabilities, she should let go from the pain caused.Zark2099 said:
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I believe the main reason is because her absorption takes literal seconds, but that is a much better counter than him ripping her arms off.
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@Cryo Are you reading the thread?
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Ripping arms is purely lifting strength. Cus you would need to be "pulling", rather than punching.
Though if you do mean that he can rip it off with punches, it really is not gonna happen with that level of AP gap, you would need considerably more.
Though if you do mean that he can rip it off with punches, it really is not gonna happen with that level of AP gap, you would need considerably more.
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It depends on how fast they are fighting then. If it takes her even a second to absorb, when they are fighting at MFTL+ speeds, then Vegeta should be able to easily break out of her grip.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Are there any feats on how quickly she can absorb energy?
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@Dragomer Ripping off your entire damn arm, is a oneshot.
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The thread has 340+ posts and I'm too busy IRL to scrawl through a thread of arguments.Zark2099 said:
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Pretty sure it would be "1 second from her perspective". And speed argument's aren't viable in speed equal matches.CryoTheMayo said:
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@Cryo Then like, if you don't even know what's getting argued like, don't message randomly, please? What you're asking is the literal opposite of what's getting discussed.
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...This is a discussion thread. I don't care what the other argument is, because it's going nowhere. Lancelot has been asking for my input on this already.Zark2099 said:
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It's hard to gauge time in comics, if not explicitly stated, so I understand claiming a 'second relative to her' although I wish there was something more conclusive for its speed.
I think Vegeta can reasonably kick her once or twice in the span of a single second, though, which may be enough to break her grip. An alternative is for Vegeta to kick upwards to strike at her grip, which should be able to shatter her bone. Such flexibility isn't out there for Vegeta.
The issue is if Vegeta can think fast enough to react. He is a Saiyan with a ton of battle experience, so it's not out there for him to do.
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It's not "that" hard. If it's like one pannel it should be rather short otherwise there would be several pannels for it.
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Pre-addressed discussions that you won't bother reading, is derailing and problematic, so I suggest you to at least read enough to get a vague idea of what's going on.
Rest is just poor argument on your end when speed equalization implies they both have the same reaction speed and unless he can predict this hit it's not going to be "he just reacted prior", standard implication of panels in conjunction to one another implies continuous events with seconds as gaps unless either stated or logically contradicted. Shattering bone with a single strike is considered a oneshot unless Vegeta shows an explicit capability of using specific strikes to break bones of prior comparable opponents i.e. a pressure point variant
Rest is just poor argument on your end when speed equalization implies they both have the same reaction speed and unless he can predict this hit it's not going to be "he just reacted prior", standard implication of panels in conjunction to one another implies continuous events with seconds as gaps unless either stated or logically contradicted. Shattering bone with a single strike is considered a oneshot unless Vegeta shows an explicit capability of using specific strikes to break bones of prior comparable opponents i.e. a pressure point variant
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We normally default for the assumption that things in one panel are damn short, like Earl said. Outright one second is a possibility too, especially since he doesn't know it's coming. Worse yet, she can also suck bioelectricty from the brain.
With speed equal, 1 kick is all I see happening, and in the time that kick travels I feel he would end up pretty screwed up. Main problem is that he doesn't know she's sucking, or that she can suck his brain bio electricity.
Plus, taking hits is an everyday thing for comic heroes.
With speed equal, 1 kick is all I see happening, and in the time that kick travels I feel he would end up pretty screwed up. Main problem is that he doesn't know she's sucking, or that she can suck his brain bio electricity.
Plus, taking hits is an everyday thing for comic heroes.
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Pre-addressed discussions that you won't bother reading, is derailing and problematic, so I suggest you to at least read enough to get a vague idea of what's going on.
Okay, take your own advice and read what I just said. I've been speaking to Lancelot about this discussion. I know what's going on, and I don't care about discussing it. Nobody is forced to adhere to this argument, it's purely optional.
Rest is just poor argument on your end when speed equalization implies they both have the same reaction speed and unless he can predict this hit it's not going to be "he just reacted prior",
What are you even saying here? My implication is that Vegeta and Marvel will grapple, and Vegeta can potentially break out via an attack. If his legs are free, he can knee or kick her. If he is in a chokehold, he can elbow her. If she has him by the head, he can smash her with any of his limbs.
Explain why Vegeta is completely useless, and can't fight back in this circumstance and how Captain Marvel will completely stop his movements, when Vegeta's striking strength is above her own.
standard implication of panels in conjunction to one another implies continuous events with seconds as gaps unless either stated or logically contradicted.
This doesn't even make sense. I was asking about the specifics of how fast she is with her absorb. If it took one 'normal' second, Vegeta could attack tens of thousands of times if equalised at MFTL+. If it's one second in her 'relative' time, Vegeta can attack at least once or twice.
That's why I asked for specifics, so I can know how frequently Vegeta can act during the absorb, before the absorb is finished.
Shattering bone with a single strike is considered a oneshot unless Vegeta shows an explicit capability of using specific strikes to break bones of prior comparable opponents i.e. a pressure point variant
Well it's a good thing he does have Pressure Points among his abilities, has explosion inducement (which he is going to resort to if endangered, there is zero reason to claim he wouldn't) and besides which, I am making an exaggeration by claiming he would 'shatter bone'. My point is, his blows should cause her a great deal of pain which may be enough to shock her into releasing her grip.
I am overall just discussing alternative methods of breaking out of her grip.
Okay, take your own advice and read what I just said. I've been speaking to Lancelot about this discussion. I know what's going on, and I don't care about discussing it. Nobody is forced to adhere to this argument, it's purely optional.
Rest is just poor argument on your end when speed equalization implies they both have the same reaction speed and unless he can predict this hit it's not going to be "he just reacted prior",
What are you even saying here? My implication is that Vegeta and Marvel will grapple, and Vegeta can potentially break out via an attack. If his legs are free, he can knee or kick her. If he is in a chokehold, he can elbow her. If she has him by the head, he can smash her with any of his limbs.
Explain why Vegeta is completely useless, and can't fight back in this circumstance and how Captain Marvel will completely stop his movements, when Vegeta's striking strength is above her own.
standard implication of panels in conjunction to one another implies continuous events with seconds as gaps unless either stated or logically contradicted.
This doesn't even make sense. I was asking about the specifics of how fast she is with her absorb. If it took one 'normal' second, Vegeta could attack tens of thousands of times if equalised at MFTL+. If it's one second in her 'relative' time, Vegeta can attack at least once or twice.
That's why I asked for specifics, so I can know how frequently Vegeta can act during the absorb, before the absorb is finished.
Shattering bone with a single strike is considered a oneshot unless Vegeta shows an explicit capability of using specific strikes to break bones of prior comparable opponents i.e. a pressure point variant
Well it's a good thing he does have Pressure Points among his abilities, has explosion inducement (which he is going to resort to if endangered, there is zero reason to claim he wouldn't) and besides which, I am making an exaggeration by claiming he would 'shatter bone'. My point is, his blows should cause her a great deal of pain which may be enough to shock her into releasing her grip.
I am overall just discussing alternative methods of breaking out of her grip.
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Actially, lifting a person's arm off from their bone joints to break it is lifting strength.Dragomer said:
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Would vegeta himself not get affected by the shock? The people in the scans sure as hell were.
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Define shock again?
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I mean either pain or actual electrical shock (inability to move) cus that's what seemingly happening with everyone else.
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Pain, maybe depending on his resistance
Electricity, no, he doesn't resist
Electricity, no, he doesn't resist
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Pain he should be able to deal with, he has had to endure a lot.
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I mean maybe zark could clarify what exactly is happening with the people who are being drained.
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You know Cole's neuro Drain?
That
That
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I meant why they can't move during the drain.
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It is not ranged, but pretty much that yes.
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I mean their mind is literally shutting down since their neural activity is getting drained. I don't think you can just walk it off and counterattack while that's happening.
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If your organs and brain functions are shutting down, you ain't walking.
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Ye that, it's an instant KO within the context and happens in seconds too because otherwise She-Hulk would've just swatted her off like a fly
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