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Isn't Phoenix force Tier 1 Lmao? Sounds like an insane outlier to me, but I'm not an expert on Carol.Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
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Vegeta fights a blonde woman... again (7-12-1).
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That would be a massive outlier.
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There's a scan where she absorbs energy from Ultron, let me see if i can find it.
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Profiles aren't locked/restricted to the feats in their AP if they logically scale to something else or some scaling chain. They are just good extra proof that a character is in a certain ballpark even if other factors should make them higher than the value.
Basically back up proof.
Basically back up proof.
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They are locked with the accepted calc as far as i know, technicaly i could go with CryoTheMayo's scailing chain but since it's somewhat less accepted, we use the more accepted one.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
So is that Marvel scailing chain the accepted scailing chain ? and in what ballpark would it put Marvel ? i'm also not convinced at all about her being beyond 1K kilofoe since her binary form is accepted to be in this range.
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Off Topic: Captain marvel is worthy.
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No, they aren't locked if they realistically scale a fair bit above in some other way. Other profiles also have a good number of feats listed under AP, but not all are equal. They are, however, close or in the same ballpark. Is simply proof of consistency.
I am not saying she's above 1k KF, just that her being above 400 is not impossible or crazy. I don't know exactly what she scales to in Binary anyway so I can't comment on that.
I am not saying she's above 1k KF, just that her being above 400 is not impossible or crazy. I don't know exactly what she scales to in Binary anyway so I can't comment on that.
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"Attack Potency: Multi-Continent level (Almost comparable to Iron Ma) | Solar System level (One-shot Valkyrie, who has withstood blows from She-Hulk. Traded blows with a bloodlusted Wonder Ma. Comparable to both Iron Ma's Hulkbuster armor and Model Prime armor) | Solar System level (Much stronger than in her base form. One-shot Proxima Midnight, who traded blows with Unworthy Thor, and flew through the Collective, who withstood a blow from The Sentry)"
Can you pinpoint in what part is the calc that I never heard of? If not then no, Carol has the advantage against SSJ and is not below enough for SSJ2 to being notable.
You can see the scan above that she was draning Abomination from range, she can also absorb the ambient energy that is in the air and even from black holes that are nearby The others didn't point out the scaling chain at all, hence why I said that in my reply.
(And who knows of how many light years of distance is said black hole), not like it matters because, point is that Carol can disallow Vegeta from transform by draining his reserves.
...And there are superheroes that are martials artists, training is several martial arts, and whose sole theme is martial artits based superheros. Carol trains with the likes of Cap and Peter who are known renowed martial artists. And lmao ┬┐how military training, which can combine several forms combat styles from different sides of the world, is not going to translate in this fight, between two mostly haxless characters, that will engage in martial combat?
I say myself that Vegeta does have better techniques so you sorta proved my point. LS absolute works with grip strength, if one has the power to lift a mountain with both arms then one can very well use said force to wrap someone.
Vegeta is not ripping off Carol head, I already proved the gap is not enough for such a thing.
Can you pinpoint in what part is the calc that I never heard of? If not then no, Carol has the advantage against SSJ and is not below enough for SSJ2 to being notable.
You can see the scan above that she was draning Abomination from range, she can also absorb the ambient energy that is in the air and even from black holes that are nearby The others didn't point out the scaling chain at all, hence why I said that in my reply.
(And who knows of how many light years of distance is said black hole), not like it matters because, point is that Carol can disallow Vegeta from transform by draining his reserves.
...And there are superheroes that are martials artists, training is several martial arts, and whose sole theme is martial artits based superheros. Carol trains with the likes of Cap and Peter who are known renowed martial artists. And lmao ┬┐how military training, which can combine several forms combat styles from different sides of the world, is not going to translate in this fight, between two mostly haxless characters, that will engage in martial combat?
I say myself that Vegeta does have better techniques so you sorta proved my point. LS absolute works with grip strength, if one has the power to lift a mountain with both arms then one can very well use said force to wrap someone.
Vegeta is not ripping off Carol head, I already proved the gap is not enough for such a thing.
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I mean her scaling above 400 would make her stronger than Thor lol. Idk about that tbh.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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That's what i was told earlier in the thread by the Marvel side.
That's not a feat that matters as i'v said, just standing there absorbing a small fraction of Vegeta's power wouldn't help her and would just get her killed, only the 'drained unconcious in seconds' feats matter here.
There are but they are noted to be specificaly martial artist, Carol isn't.
Yes, Military training doesn't apply to Super Hero fight, it never did and if you want to play that card, Vegeta was trained by the military of a futuristic specie based almost entirely on combat, which can actualy be applied to every facet of Vegeta's move set unlike Carol (try applying military martial art while flying, it's not appropriated at all.) and he was pretty much fodder skill wise for his verse when he showed up on earth while he is now considered god tier.
No, it doesn't, we never used feats of someone crushing something with their hands as a LS feat, it was always considered an AP feat, otherwise Vegeta would have star level LS for crushing C19.
Vegeta very much ripping off Carol's arms and head, he did it while having a smaller gap and you haven't really provided any prove, you just provided a scailing chain that isn't apparently accepted and gave no concrete numbers for what it make her at the end of the day, especialy since your scailing shit is pretty iffy since i'v never seen Silver Surfer being accepted as below normal Hulk.
That's not a feat that matters as i'v said, just standing there absorbing a small fraction of Vegeta's power wouldn't help her and would just get her killed, only the 'drained unconcious in seconds' feats matter here.
There are but they are noted to be specificaly martial artist, Carol isn't.
Yes, Military training doesn't apply to Super Hero fight, it never did and if you want to play that card, Vegeta was trained by the military of a futuristic specie based almost entirely on combat, which can actualy be applied to every facet of Vegeta's move set unlike Carol (try applying military martial art while flying, it's not appropriated at all.) and he was pretty much fodder skill wise for his verse when he showed up on earth while he is now considered god tier.
No, it doesn't, we never used feats of someone crushing something with their hands as a LS feat, it was always considered an AP feat, otherwise Vegeta would have star level LS for crushing C19.
Vegeta very much ripping off Carol's arms and head, he did it while having a smaller gap and you haven't really provided any prove, you just provided a scailing chain that isn't apparently accepted and gave no concrete numbers for what it make her at the end of the day, especialy since your scailing shit is pretty iffy since i'v never seen Silver Surfer being accepted as below normal Hulk.
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He actually has a point. Pulling and gripping is absolutely LS. Your gripping strength is not a factor of your striking force, just like a grapple.
A pretty simple example is that the striking force of a gator closing it's jaw is greater than any normal punch I can think of, but the muscles that open a gator's mouth are damn week. A literal teenager could keep it closed by pressing down.
A pretty simple example is that the striking force of a gator closing it's jaw is greater than any normal punch I can think of, but the muscles that open a gator's mouth are damn week. A literal teenager could keep it closed by pressing down.
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Then here's Vegeta casualy gripping and pulling off C19's arms , a character with small star level durability yet Vegeta isn't considered to have star level lifting strength at all.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
So either Vegeta get a huge LS upgrade or the LS argument isn't valid.
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Dude, her profile mentions plenty of scaling and no calc, now you gonna that is not accepted cus someone on a different thread (That may or may not even know what is talking) pull out a calc that is not accepted...?
No, you are wrong, period, moving on.
Ah no, she can very well drain him of all his power, not just fraction, why won't she otherwise if she has the chance?
Noted in what? In their themes? Iron Man is a martial artists who has above superhuman training, the fact that he is generally noted as a tech based hero doesn't discard that, same goes Carol.
"Yes, Military training doesn't apply to Super Hero fight, it never did" I will just ignore this blasphemy and assume you're jiust pulling random things, not gonna bother explaining why.
And I never discarded Vegeta's training at all or skill, so don't argue me something that I do agree, nothing is being debunked. Albeit her abilitie to fly improve sort of improve her techniques as she is more agile and flexible.
Now you throwing an strawman, I never said one can crush others with LS, I do go against that, I said that one can use superior LS to trap their opponents in their arms, those incapacitating them.
No, I proved my and counted every single one your points, you on the other hand started twisting my words and what the actual stats for the convenience of your arguments.
No, you are wrong, period, moving on.
Ah no, she can very well drain him of all his power, not just fraction, why won't she otherwise if she has the chance?
Noted in what? In their themes? Iron Man is a martial artists who has above superhuman training, the fact that he is generally noted as a tech based hero doesn't discard that, same goes Carol.
"Yes, Military training doesn't apply to Super Hero fight, it never did" I will just ignore this blasphemy and assume you're jiust pulling random things, not gonna bother explaining why.
And I never discarded Vegeta's training at all or skill, so don't argue me something that I do agree, nothing is being debunked. Albeit her abilitie to fly improve sort of improve her techniques as she is more agile and flexible.
Now you throwing an strawman, I never said one can crush others with LS, I do go against that, I said that one can use superior LS to trap their opponents in their arms, those incapacitating them.
No, I proved my and counted every single one your points, you on the other hand started twisting my words and what the actual stats for the convenience of your arguments.
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No, that's what i was told on this very thread and that's what the Marvel side has been using this whole time.
That's not an argument but thanks for giving an other wincon for Vegeta i guesse, Captain Marvel leaving herself wide open to absorb almost no energy.
Because she couldn't do it to Parasyte and needed her whole team and everyone told me she has an absorption cap which is below Vegeta, even if she doesn't, we still end up in C19 situation.
In how they are presented, Carol is never presented as being an Iron Fist type character.
That's not blasphemy, that's basic logic, military training doesn't teach you how to fight while flying and throwing energy attack, also she was a pilot, she was hardly trained to be have special ops level melee skill.
No, flying change how you fight 100%, martial arts as we know them aren't applicable to someone who can fly.
LS doesn't make her arms more solid and once again, that whole crushing and grappling someone into submission isn't related to LS as much as it's related to AP, otherwise Vegeta would star level LS at the very least, she still gets her arms ripped off.
No, you didn't, you didn't even prove your scailing was legitimate or accepted, you just threw it out there and didn't tell me where it put Captain Marvel except 'stronger than 390 kilofoe', which doesn't close the gap at all, does your scailing put her at 500 kilofoe ? 800 ? you didn't say that in your post either.
That's not an argument but thanks for giving an other wincon for Vegeta i guesse, Captain Marvel leaving herself wide open to absorb almost no energy.
Because she couldn't do it to Parasyte and needed her whole team and everyone told me she has an absorption cap which is below Vegeta, even if she doesn't, we still end up in C19 situation.
In how they are presented, Carol is never presented as being an Iron Fist type character.
That's not blasphemy, that's basic logic, military training doesn't teach you how to fight while flying and throwing energy attack, also she was a pilot, she was hardly trained to be have special ops level melee skill.
No, flying change how you fight 100%, martial arts as we know them aren't applicable to someone who can fly.
LS doesn't make her arms more solid and once again, that whole crushing and grappling someone into submission isn't related to LS as much as it's related to AP, otherwise Vegeta would star level LS at the very least, she still gets her arms ripped off.
No, you didn't, you didn't even prove your scailing was legitimate or accepted, you just threw it out there and didn't tell me where it put Captain Marvel except 'stronger than 390 kilofoe', which doesn't close the gap at all, does your scailing put her at 500 kilofoe ? 800 ? you didn't say that in your post either.
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Why the bigger scaling chain it all looks the same with the earlier assessment, she seems to be slightly weaker than Base Thor who is 400 KF.
We also established earlier that Vegeta scales to Base Black who is 16 KF in Base, this is a low ball for Vegeta because he stomped Black. but anyways SSJ Vegeta should be around 640 - 800KF and as a SSJ2, 1280 - 1600KF depending on the SSJ multiplier accepted (40x or 50x)
Vegeta should be considerably above Carol Danvers (at most 4x using SSJ2)
He out classes her with his superior skill and has an AP advantage which is why I am so confused on why anyone is bringing up anybody else who are under Thor like Wonder Man, She Hulk and HB Iron Man and Valkyrie who aren't even comparable to FP Base Thor.
Energy Absorption is a wincon but she is more likely to get her butt pounded by Vegeta and incapped before he actually uses a Ki blast or energy attack.
Actually CM leads with Blitzing which will be her down fall because Vegeta will respond to her blitzing and overwhelm her with his AP gap and superior skill.
We also established earlier that Vegeta scales to Base Black who is 16 KF in Base, this is a low ball for Vegeta because he stomped Black. but anyways SSJ Vegeta should be around 640 - 800KF and as a SSJ2, 1280 - 1600KF depending on the SSJ multiplier accepted (40x or 50x)
Vegeta should be considerably above Carol Danvers (at most 4x using SSJ2)
He out classes her with his superior skill and has an AP advantage which is why I am so confused on why anyone is bringing up anybody else who are under Thor like Wonder Man, She Hulk and HB Iron Man and Valkyrie who aren't even comparable to FP Base Thor.
Energy Absorption is a wincon but she is more likely to get her butt pounded by Vegeta and incapped before he actually uses a Ki blast or energy attack.
Actually CM leads with Blitzing which will be her down fall because Vegeta will respond to her blitzing and overwhelm her with his AP gap and superior skill.
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@AwkguyDB @Dragomer
I completely agree tbh. I find the argument that Military pilot training making Carol even in the same league as Vegeta in terms of martial arts skill laughable with all due respect. And like was mentioned before, Vegeta had Saiyan military training before becoming a master of martial arts as he progressed lol. He eclipses in skill imo.
I completely agree tbh. I find the argument that Military pilot training making Carol even in the same league as Vegeta in terms of martial arts skill laughable with all due respect. And like was mentioned before, Vegeta had Saiyan military training before becoming a master of martial arts as he progressed lol. He eclipses in skill imo.
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Again I mean no disrespect, but what's the point of arguing about her combat expertise when it's not really going to be a win condition for her in this case?
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I mentioned that because it seems one of the reasons of Vegeta winning is "via skill". I tried to point out that Carol has her own skilly, and that while not being as good as Vegeta, it should allow her to not be overwhelmed that easily thanks that and her energy drain boosting her combined.
I'm writting the "counter" for Dragonmer but I will take as step back before I start to escalate the situation out of anger.
I'm writting the "counter" for Dragonmer but I will take as step back before I start to escalate the situation out of anger.
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Well it certainly wasn't my intention to anger you lol. Like I said many times I mean no disrespect.
But my point is that's almost like comparing a brown belt to a black belt grandmaster. So imo the "skill advantage" still applies as a major bonus for Vegeta's win conditions.
But my point is that's almost like comparing a brown belt to a black belt grandmaster. So imo the "skill advantage" still applies as a major bonus for Vegeta's win conditions.
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People need to stop that shit, to be honest. No, skill is not worthless if you are not comparable unless you are quite literally so below that it is not funny.
Also, I wanted to say before - no, LS has absolutely nothing to do with durability. Durability has to do with striking strength. Striking and tearing are not comparable at all, and shouldn't be straight up compared.
I am not saying she can rip him into parts, I never agreed with that but that may be because I am misinformed, but that if she can get a hold of him, there's not a much Vegeta can do. Especially because he has no clue of her absorption and hers is so much faster that 19 can't even compare.
I also gotta look skeptically at "trained by a militant race", when there's no indication saiyans receive training beyond being forced to survive. Hence sending really weak babies to planets expecting them to die or miraculously survive and maybe serve some role.
Also, I wanted to say before - no, LS has absolutely nothing to do with durability. Durability has to do with striking strength. Striking and tearing are not comparable at all, and shouldn't be straight up compared.
I am not saying she can rip him into parts, I never agreed with that but that may be because I am misinformed, but that if she can get a hold of him, there's not a much Vegeta can do. Especially because he has no clue of her absorption and hers is so much faster that 19 can't even compare.
I also gotta look skeptically at "trained by a militant race", when there's no indication saiyans receive training beyond being forced to survive. Hence sending really weak babies to planets expecting them to die or miraculously survive and maybe serve some role.
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They shouldn't be compared yet Vegeta did it, either Vegeta suddenly has star level LS or gripping / tearing has nothing to do LS.
There is a lot Vegeta can do, like ripping off her arms and her head as we litteraly saw him do in canon while having a lesser AP advantage.
The weak babies are sent to other planets as a test because they are litteraly considered unworthy of even trying to make them become warriors, being sent to others planets is basicaly 'make yourself a warrior or die there because we can't be bothered with you', Vegeta was litteraly trained against Saibamen back when he was a kid, we also saw Saiyans soldiers, snipers and engineer, they clearly had an organised military.
Also that's a less dubious claim than 'the military training for a pilot in CQC totaly apply in a fight where you're flying and throwings energy blast'.
There is a lot Vegeta can do, like ripping off her arms and her head as we litteraly saw him do in canon while having a lesser AP advantage.
The weak babies are sent to other planets as a test because they are litteraly considered unworthy of even trying to make them become warriors, being sent to others planets is basicaly 'make yourself a warrior or die there because we can't be bothered with you', Vegeta was litteraly trained against Saibamen back when he was a kid, we also saw Saiyans soldiers, snipers and engineer, they clearly had an organised military.
Also that's a less dubious claim than 'the military training for a pilot in CQC totaly apply in a fight where you're flying and throwings energy blast'.
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Or you could read what I said slowly. Durability has to do with striking strength, not tearing force. 19's durability is unimportant.
Which he cannot do with that stupidly lower LS, she'd pull back, much harder, easily.
Being sent to kill a planet or die is still not training, even if it shows they can survive. Training in the use of weapons doesn't imply hand to hand training. The Saibamen are fair though.
Unless I forgot something, Newerdingo perfectly mentioned training with Cap and Spiderman as well. Cap, the dude that learned a zero gravity style better than experts with decades. If it can't be applied to her flying, her learning would serve no purpose.
Which he cannot do with that stupidly lower LS, she'd pull back, much harder, easily.
Being sent to kill a planet or die is still not training, even if it shows they can survive. Training in the use of weapons doesn't imply hand to hand training. The Saibamen are fair though.
Unless I forgot something, Newerdingo perfectly mentioned training with Cap and Spiderman as well. Cap, the dude that learned a zero gravity style better than experts with decades. If it can't be applied to her flying, her learning would serve no purpose.
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Yeah, my bad, but that just make it a nonsensical claim, if you have star level durability, you're not gonna get teared apart by two horse tied to you with a rope, it's nonsense, your durability apply wether you're tanking one way or another.
But which he can totaly do with his raw power, just like he did to someone with star level durability, she'd get arms ripped off, easily, just like we saw him do to someone with star level durability when he was less than 5 time stronger than them.
Yeah, that's the whole point, those aren't worth training, that's why they are sent there.
That training was in super heroing and team fighting, you never see Cap or Spidey giving her pointers on how to grapple or do a double kick.
I'm not claiming what they can / did teach her wasn't applicable, i'm saying her military training is what isn't applicable.
But which he can totaly do with his raw power, just like he did to someone with star level durability, she'd get arms ripped off, easily, just like we saw him do to someone with star level durability when he was less than 5 time stronger than them.
Yeah, that's the whole point, those aren't worth training, that's why they are sent there.
That training was in super heroing and team fighting, you never see Cap or Spidey giving her pointers on how to grapple or do a double kick.
I'm not claiming what they can / did teach her wasn't applicable, i'm saying her military training is what isn't applicable.
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I am not arguing that she would tear him apart, I am arguing that he's not ever tearing her apart with his LS. Just try and punch/slash/smash steel, then try and pull it apart. Very different. That's how tearing off stuff works, so you would need to confirm with someone that knows about that or is a big no. Is the very same reason we don't give heat or cold resistace off durability, it's interaction with durability is not the same at all.
Which he wouldn't, as I've explained. You are free to ask literally anyone else if you don't believe me, perhaps a calc member.
Do you actually have any proof of the training being about that? If they say she's trained for fighting, I am not sure what else you expect them to be teaching her.
Which he wouldn't, as I've explained. You are free to ask literally anyone else if you don't believe me, perhaps a calc member.
Do you actually have any proof of the training being about that? If they say she's trained for fighting, I am not sure what else you expect them to be teaching her.
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You are arguing something verifiably false then, LS is not related to ripping people apart, that's AP, that's how it's always been and if that changed, Vegeta is just gonna get his LS boosted i guesse.
Pulling was never considered a form of durability negation and it doesn't even apply since Vegeta still ripped his hands off by kicking / pushing with his feets against C19's face
Okay then, Captain Marvel's durability magicaly doesn't apply to pulling anymore like C19 so she still get ripped apart and they both tear off their own arms the moments they try to punch because their shoulders can't handle the 'pulling force'.
Which he very much would, as i'v explained and as the show itself demonstrated us he could against a star level character who wasn't at worst half as strong as him.
That's what avengers training was always about, they are a team, they train for team works, that's how it works.
Pulling was never considered a form of durability negation and it doesn't even apply since Vegeta still ripped his hands off by kicking / pushing with his feets against C19's face
Okay then, Captain Marvel's durability magicaly doesn't apply to pulling anymore like C19 so she still get ripped apart and they both tear off their own arms the moments they try to punch because their shoulders can't handle the 'pulling force'.
Which he very much would, as i'v explained and as the show itself demonstrated us he could against a star level character who wasn't at worst half as strong as him.
That's what avengers training was always about, they are a team, they train for team works, that's how it works.
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I quite literally told you you can try and ask anyone you want. Ripping and tearing force, or tensile strength, are different from striking.
I said I disagreed that she can rip him off or that he can. I don't know what you are going on about. I am just telling you that tearing is LS. Tearing literally goddamn happens because of what we call here lifting strength, which is all about pulling and pushing. Are you punching a piece of cloth or are you pulling it when you tear it? Easy answer.
If you wanna be willfully ignorant, that's not my problem.
Avengers don't simply deploy as a team, members do a lot of shit solo. Cap is too smart and too learned in combat to only teach Carol shit she can do in a team when she's doing stuff on her own literally all the time. I mean ****, Spiderman is mostly on his own, the bulk of his fighting experience and techniques is to fight by himself, likewise for the stuff he learned when he lost his Spider-sense.
I said I disagreed that she can rip him off or that he can. I don't know what you are going on about. I am just telling you that tearing is LS. Tearing literally goddamn happens because of what we call here lifting strength, which is all about pulling and pushing. Are you punching a piece of cloth or are you pulling it when you tear it? Easy answer.
If you wanna be willfully ignorant, that's not my problem.
Avengers don't simply deploy as a team, members do a lot of shit solo. Cap is too smart and too learned in combat to only teach Carol shit she can do in a team when she's doing stuff on her own literally all the time. I mean ****, Spiderman is mostly on his own, the bulk of his fighting experience and techniques is to fight by himself, likewise for the stuff he learned when he lost his Spider-sense.
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It doesn't affect durability in different ways, pulling or pushing, you're not killing someone with star level durability with mountain level strength, that's nonsense so Vegeta ripped off the hands of someone with star level durability while not being much stronger.
And your reasons for disagreeing don't make sense.
No, it doesn't, when someone crush a rock with their hand, we don't consider it a LS feat neither do we consider ripping of the limbs of someone as an LS feat, otherwise Vegeta would have star level LS.
Disagreing with something clearly false =/= being ignorant.
They don't only deploy as team but that's what they train for together, they train seperatly for their seperate stuff.
Yes and the stuff Spiderman learned about that was learned by himself for the most part.
And your reasons for disagreeing don't make sense.
No, it doesn't, when someone crush a rock with their hand, we don't consider it a LS feat neither do we consider ripping of the limbs of someone as an LS feat, otherwise Vegeta would have star level LS.
Disagreing with something clearly false =/= being ignorant.
They don't only deploy as team but that's what they train for together, they train seperatly for their seperate stuff.
Yes and the stuff Spiderman learned about that was learned by himself for the most part.
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It being nonsense to you doesn't make it untrue. Something's tensile strength and durabilty aren't the same thing, this is basic shit.
You are free to keep thinking wrongfully then I guess.
It is ignorance when you seem to lack the ability to acknowledge that punching someone and ripping off their arm aren't equal in any way.
So you have no proof what they taught her was team stuff. Understood.
You are free to keep thinking wrongfully then I guess.
It is ignorance when you seem to lack the ability to acknowledge that punching someone and ripping off their arm aren't equal in any way.
So you have no proof what they taught her was team stuff. Understood.
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Yes, it kinda does, that's how nonsense works.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Ripping someone into ribbons is very much overcoming their durability, it's basic shit.
And you are free to do a 'no u', that won't count as an argument though.
It is nonsense when you're trying to argue that ripping someone's arm is an easier to beat them than punching them and that pulling somehow negate durability.
And you've got no proof they taught her any martial arts, especialy when Captain Marvel never demonstrated the same moves as either of them.
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It doesn't, when you are the one saying it is without any legitimate proof.
Yes, which is LS because it is pulling, which is what LS is all about with pulling and pushing.
If that's really what you think my argument is, then I can notice you aren't reading one bit.
... My dude, that's what I am arguing, because it is actually much easier. Try to punch someone to deal damage, then try to rip off their arm. Surprise, the first one will be abundantly easier. But you can have this or this or maybe this. They are really not the same at all, and you ain't doing that by AP.
Yes, which is LS because it is pulling, which is what LS is all about with pulling and pushing.
If that's really what you think my argument is, then I can notice you aren't reading one bit.
... My dude, that's what I am arguing, because it is actually much easier. Try to punch someone to deal damage, then try to rip off their arm. Surprise, the first one will be abundantly easier. But you can have this or this or maybe this. They are really not the same at all, and you ain't doing that by AP.
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It does, that's what nonsense is.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Then by your logic Vegeta had the LS to rip off the arms of someone with star level durability while not much stronger so Marvel is still getting ripped apart.
It is maybe easier to argue absolute nonsense, it doesn't make it true.
Oh yeah, ripping off someone's hard is so much easier than KOing them, humans can rip each other's arms with their pinky, that's the ultimate durability negation, when we throw a punch, our arms go flying since our shoulders couldn't handle the almighty force that is pulling.
The second answer in your link litteraly say that hardness and tensil strength scale linearly and the first one define hardness as 'resistance to indentation' which doesn't apply to living beings, also trying to apply that kind of stuff to Cyborgs and Metahumans is dumb as shit, they already don't even follow density, also Durability isn't the same as 'hardness'.
If you are ripping someone's arm off, it is very much AP and very much overcoming their durability.
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