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Vegeta fights a blonde woman... again (7-12-1).

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I'm not sure if playing dirty is in his arsenal at this point in the match?

Thot Slayer Vegeta never dies!
 
Isn't Dirty Fireworks entirely OOC and literally used once and even that as a finishing move rather than an actual combat strategy? He isn't bloodlusted, so
 
No, it's not OOC, and it's hard to call it a finishing move against someone was weaker than him to begin with. Him being bloodlusted doesn't even matter, he just used it casually on Qui because lol he could.
 
Schnee One said:
But C19 has star level durability, ripping someone apart isn't LS vs LS, it's Durability vs AP (or by your nonsense, LS)
No matter how you try to twist it, Vegeta has the feat to rip off the arms of someone less than 5 time weaker than him so he can and will do it if Marvel try to grab him, casualy.
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And Vegeta is Star Level, your point?
Vegeta has a feat that he can rip off arms of Those comparable to him, which is completely possible

Against someone thousands of times stronger in lifting strength it's moot.

Only in AP, his LS isn't at that level so by your logic he should have his LS upgraded to star level, which make no sense because it was clearly AP.

And also has a feat of turning into a giant monkey 10x stronger than himself, that's not more possible but here we are.

No, it isn't moot, superior LS won't cover for her durability and ripping off limbs is clearly an AP vs durability thing.

Also Omegas03, i think you missed a few votes.
 
It is OOC because he never uses it at all except a single scenario, he likes to play around and flex on his opponents, and he has literally no motivation to considering he was testing his strength against Qui rather than actually fighting.
 
He literally uses it against fodder, and even that he stops beyond Frieza Saga to bust it out.

Like, literally, how the ****, is it relevant? He never uses it once as a Super Saiyan
 
Just because you're Star level does not mean you have the same weight as a star, with comparable AP and lifting strength you can be 3A with Strength to lift a building and still be capable of doing that.

Don't get what your point is here.

Except it does, because it literally involves lifting off bone joints.
 
Zark2099 said:
He literally uses it against fodder, and even that he stops beyond Frieza Saga to bust it out.

Like, literally, how the ****, is it relevant? He never uses it once as a Super Saiyan
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I mean a lot of the abilities Carol also used only once like the Bio-electricity thing, unless someone had provided more instances of it and I missed it.
 
He doesn't use it beyond fodder because logically it would ruin the plot. It attacks the insides, something DB characters don't often deal with. A subtle, but broken move. In a situation like this, where plot has no meaning, Dirty Fireworks GG.
 
Just to establish once again that Lifting strength isn't fully tied to AP there's other examples as well

Se Goku restraining Monkey D Garp, literally 90% of Nico Robin fights etc.
 
Schnee One said:
Just because you're Star level does not mean you have the same weight as a star, with comparable AP and lifting strength you can be 3A with Strength to lift a building and still be capable of doing that.
Don't get what your point is here.

Except it does, because it literally involves lifting off bone joints.
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It's not a question of moving C19, it's a question of overcoming his star level durability, if suddenly it's an LS thing to rip off limbs (which it isn't, it's clearly AP, even your own argument claim ripping someone's limb doesn't work as an AP feat compared to lifting a building.) then it's an star level LS, not an AP feat as we have treated it since the beginning of the wiki.

.....C19 didn't have bones, he's a machine and Vegeta lifting jackshit, he ripped his arms apart straight.

Between the profiles and the double standard, it's quite clear to me that no, ripping off limbs isn't LS, let alone LS vs LS.
 
Mate I wouldn't bring the bioelectricity up if she was using it OOC, Vegeta has no reason to use Dirty Fireworks because he is fighting what is, a comparable being.

The reason I bring out timestamps is because this isn't Frieza Saga Vegeta who used that technique, this is him far beyond that, and bioelectricity was Modern Captain Marvel against physically stronger beings.
 
Is an abilitiy that she recently used when fighting She-Hulk to get rid of her due to being unable to absorb energy from her.

We are using Modern Captian Marvel, so anything that she does in her current issues can be applied in matches.
 
Zark2099 said:
He literally uses it against fodder, and even that he stops beyond Frieza Saga to bust it out.
Like, literally, how the ****, is it relevant? He never uses it once as a Super Saiyan
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That's because he has changed he went from a Cold Blooded Killer to a Tsundere Father. So ya he rather do this

VegetaGinyu
 
You can in fact overcome Star Level Durability with higher lifting strength, especially since they're already comparable in AP.

Obce again, literally ripping someone apart is lifting strength, you're not even using physical force to attack, you're doing so to rip them apart
 
I'm not saying she shouldn't have it, I'm saying Vegeta should get access to all his powers. He has no reason not to use them against her in a fight to the death. In DB a 4x difference means she's fodder in his eyes, more so than Qui or Nappa probably lol. If he's willing to kill I don't see why he wouldn't use em.
 
No, you can't, either your lifting strength is beyond their durability or it's not using your logic, that whole thing only make sense, like most feats like that, if it's an AP feat.

Once again, it isn't, it's litteraly your AP vs their durability, ripping someone apart is very much using physical force to attack.
 
Oh no I absolutely can, that's how lifting strength is accepted.

It isn't an AP feat especially when the two were comparable in both AP and lifting strength,

At this point it's agree to disagree since we're both repeating the same arguments.

Of course Vegeta did that literally once so.
 
A) This isn't DBZ, this is a Versus Thread, the "fodder" definition in verse greatly varies from Versus Threads, so no, she's not fodder to Vegeta, considering in a Versus Battles setting, scaling definitions of oneshots do not apply

B) He has, his own goddamn character past the Frieza Saga where he prefers to bait his opponents and not go for insta kills.
 
Didn't Vegeta had several, if dozen fights to dead but never used Dirty Fire work anyway?

Like Goku, Frieza, Android etc etc?
 
And yet the profiles disagree and how we treat Vegeta ripping off someone's limbs disagree so no, that's not how it's accepted, i'v found like 3 profiles with unknown LS that have 'ripping off limbs' as an AP feat.

It is, using your logic, it's an LS feat and since it's overcoming star level durability, it's a star durability LS feat.

And Goku only had an heart attack litteraly once too so i don't see your point, Vegeta just never had another situation where ripping off someone's arm would be practical, he did it there because his hands were what C19 used to absorb energy.
 
That's because he has changed he went from a Cold Blooded Killer to a Tsundere Father. So ya he rather do this

VegetaGinyu
@Zark

This begs to differ. In DBS he was either facing people stronger than himself or he was in a tournament where killing is prohibited. So you're just assuming stuff without any real backing rn. Vegeta has no qualms about killing, especially in idk, A DEATH MATCH. And he's not like Goku, so he won't let her live to fight another day lol. I just don't see it personally.

And I said "to him she'll be fodder" meaning from his perspective as a fighter not literally if you catch my drift. So he'll use the moves he used on "fodder" and I don't see why not.
 
Also no, this isn't a battle to the death, nothing in OP states that.

KO is an entirely valid option here
 
@Dragomer The very profiles you are using have comparable AP and lifting strength, heck you're Jason example has Class 5 lifting strength, they don't disagree.

No, because you are not lifting a star, unless you want to tell me every character in DB has the weight of a planet.

What does having a heart attack have to do with what someone does in character in a match up?
 
That's because he has changed he went from a Cold Blooded Killer to a Tsundere Father. So ya he rather do this

VegetaGinyu
@Zark

This begs to differ. In DBS he was either facing people stronger than himself or he was in a tournament where killing is prohibited. So you're just assuming stuff without any real backing rn. Vegeta has no qualms about killing, especially in idk, A DEATH MATCH. And he's not like Goku, so he won't let her live to fight another day lol. I just don't see it personally.

And I said "to him she'll be fodder" meaning from his perspective as a fighter not literally if you catch my drift. So he'll use the moves he used on "fodder" and I don't see why not.

Look in the OP and tell me the exact word that says DEATH MATCH mate
 
Zark2099 said:
Also no, this isn't a battle to the death, nothing in OP states that.

KO is an entirely valid option here
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Perhaps not, but KO was a valid option against many of his opponents as well yet he chose to end them rightly lol.

This literally disproves nothing I said. He can and does choose to kill.
 
Schnee One said:
The very profiles you are using have comparable AP and lifting strength, help you're Jason example has Class 5 lifting strength, they don't disagree.
No, because you are not lifting a star, unless you want to tell me every character in DB has the weight of a planet.

What does having a heart attack have to do with what someone does in character in a match up?
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My Jason exemple wasn't one of the profiles i was talking about, Jason is an exemple of how people clearly don't see those feats as LS and those feats aren't portrayed as LS.

Yeah, you're ripping something as tough as one instead, still star level LS by your logic.

By your logic, yes, they do, that should tell why it doesn't work.

Because that's not only reason Vegeta was even fighting C19 and C19 was the only time where ripping off limbs was a viable move since he used his hands to absorb energy so Vegeta removed that, none of the other opponents that weren't vastly superior to Vegeta needed to have a part of their body removed before Vegeta could blast them, none tried to grapple either.
 
you know this what i hate in these matches lol, you bring out the stompish powers literally at the end.

So explain to me this, he can explode her anytime he wants?
 
Vegeta in the Broly movie straight up wanted to murder Broly despite being stronger than him and not having seen Broly grow stronger yet, Vegeta is still very much a killer until at least the Moro arc.
 
Zark2099 said:
you know this what i hate in these matches lol, you bring out the stompish powers literally at the end.

So explain to me this, he can explode her anytime he wants?
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As long as he's got an AP Advantage, yeah he can technically.
 
Zark2099 said:
you know this what i hate in these matches lol, you bring out the stompish powers literally at the end.
So explain to me this, he can explode her anytime he wants?
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If she has an energy barrier, it can probably protect her TBH.
 
@Dragomer She doesn't I think

Now follow up question, why doesn't he blow her up first chance he gets?
 
If she has an energy barrier, it can probably protect her TBH.

Telekinesis would still work AFAIK
 
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