Touhou's Outdated 6-C Calc

[The_Impress]

So I was just checking through random page button and come across this:

New Touhou KE and Speed

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Old-ass calc regarding Light Speed KE standards, so I asked @DMUA if anything was wrong with said calc, and apparently it doesn't follow our Kinetic Energy Feats standards, therefore it's likely invalid to gain a tier off of

@Amelia_Lonelyheart also says calc-stacking may be involved in this, and @Dargoo_Faust dismissed the entire feat as invalid as it uses an attack name as literal

So I think discussion may be needed for this

 

[DMUA]

So I think discussion may be needed for this

calc's bad get another feat

/thread

 

[The_Impress]

>:V

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, scrap it.

 

[The_Impress]

Well... this thread would still be needed over the discussion of the replacing feats ig

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

True, was just replying about the specific feat.

 

[DMUA]

Well I dunno the verse so

 

[The_Impress]

Also Dargoo also says to oof the Speed rating derived from this because the feat itself is extremely invalid, that DEFINITELY needs discussion :V

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Wasn't Touhou 6-C because of some character rolling some ice at one point lmao

 

[The_Impress]

Yis

Said ice was in the same frame as a light attack, and they used KE from that

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

kek. It's a fighting game

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like this has been accepted, but we need some other feat(s) to calculate instead.

Should I call the Touhou supporters here for suggestions?

 

[00potato]

Just give the fodder the old high 4-C.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

The attack names and descriptions do not change the fact that those attacks act nothing like light and shouldn't be considered as moving at light speed. The calc was either made before we had solid light reaction standards or just ignored whatever standards there were at the time.

 

[Cropfist]

It seems like this has been accepted, but we need some other feat(s) to calculate instead.

Should I call the Touhou supporters here for suggestions?

I think so.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The attack names and descriptions do not change the fact that those attacks act nothing like light and shouldn't be considered as moving at light speed. The calc was either made before we had solid light reaction standards or just ignored whatever standards there were at the time.

I mean, I'm being Devil's Advocate here, but if an attack is stated to move "at the speed of light" (And I use this term explictly, not just "is light") then it should be considered as such even if it doesn't behave like realistic light. Unless there are other feats to indicate otherwise.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I mean, I'm being Devil's Advocate here, but if an attack is stated to move "at the speed of light" (And I use this term explictly, not just "is light") then it should be considered as such even if it doesn't behave like realistic light. Unless there are other feats to indicate otherwise.

Which doesn't apply here since there were no quotes on the blog that directly said those attacks move at the SoL.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Which doesn't apply here since there were no quotes on the blog that directly said those attacks move at the SoL.

Okay, I know. I just wanted to see if we were on the same page on this too.

 

[The_Impress]

Just FYI, this implies that both the speed ratings and the Tier is bullshit if this isn't accepted. I have notified some supporters like @Saikou_The_Lewd_King @Promestein @Junkoposter @CrimsonStarFallen prior on Discord, and if this thread goes dead after a significant while, the calc is rejected and the implication is that the verse is dead.

I'll straight up head to the Profile Deletion thread and get these deleted. This isn't exactly minor revision being proposed here

 

[Wokistan]

Can't use ftl ke regardless of whether or not the light is legit. Since there's no link to the feat, I can't tell if the light is legit or not for the speed rating. Due to the absence of evidence, I'll default to a no.

 

[Wokistan]

Okay, so I went through the whole verse and put the touhou people into 3 categores: Pure 6-Cs (plus a 10-B), 6-Cs with other keys, and non 6-Cs. Non 6-Cs aren't affected by this besides in terms of speed, so I'll not list them. If nothing is going to be done, no other feats are found or whatever, pure 6-Cs would be deleted. 6-Cs with other keys would lose the 6-C key and there would be a note placed on the file that it is specifically for whatever iteration formerly was the other key. So without further ado:

Spoiler: Pure 6-Cs: 63 pages

Eternity Larva

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Nemuno Sakata

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Aunn Komano

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Narumi Yatadera

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Satono Nishida

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Mai Teireida

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Eika Ebisu

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Iku Nagae

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Hata no Kokoro

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Joon Yorigami

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Shion Yorigami

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Sunny Milk

Sunny Milk is the leader of the Three Fairies of Light, first appearing as one of the protagonists of Eastern and Little Nature Deity and later as one of the antagonists of Fairy Wars. Tier: Likely 8-B Name: Sunny Milk Origin: Touhou Project Gender: Female Age: Unknown Classification: Fairy...

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Luna Child

Luna Child (ルナチャイルド) is a fairy and one of the members of the Three Fairies of Light, composed of her, Sunny Milk, and Star Sapphire. Tier: Likely 8-B Name: Luna Child Origin: Touhou Project Gender: Female Age: Unknown Classification: Fairy Powers and Abilities: Attack Potency: Likely City Block...

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Star Sapphire (Touhou Project)

Star Sapphire (スターサファイア) is a fairy and one of the members of the Three Fairies of Light, along with Sunny Milk and Luna Child. Tier: Likely 8-B Name: Star Sapphire Origin: Touhou Project Gender: Female Age: Unknown Classification: Fairy Powers and Abilities: Attack Potency: Likely City Block...

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Cirno

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Rei'sen

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Shirou Sendai

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Giant Toad

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En'enra

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Hieda no Akyuu

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Rumia

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Hong Meiling

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Daiyousei

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Koakuma

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Chen

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Lily White

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Lunasa Prismriver

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Merlin Prismriver

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Layla Prismriver

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Lyrica Prismriver

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Wriggle Nightbug

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Mystia Lorelei

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Tewi Inaba

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Reisen Udongein Inaba

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Medicine Melancholy

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Shizuha Aki

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Minoriko Aki

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Hina Kagiyama

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Nitori Kawashiro

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Momiji Inubashiri

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Kisume

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Yamame Kurodani

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Parsee Mizuhashi

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Satori Komeiji

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Rin Kaenbyou

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Koishi Komeiji

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Nazrin

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Kogasa Tatara

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Minamitsu Murasa

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Kyouko Kasodani

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Yoshika Miyako

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Soga no Tojiko

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Wakasagihime

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Sekibanki

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Kagerou Imaizumi

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Benben Tsukumo

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Yatsuhashi Tsukumo

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Seija Kijin

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Raiko Horikawa

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Seiran

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Ringo

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So that's sixty-three profiles that would be deleted if nothing changes. That is quite a lot.

Spoiler: 6-Cs with other keys: 12 pages

Sumireko Usami

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Rinnosuke Morichika

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Evil Dragon (Touhou Project)

The Evil Dragon was a dragon that was sealed long ago into the local Inari Shrine. It recently tricked Marisa into unsealing it. Tier: 10-C | At least 8-B | At least 2-C | Low 2-C Key: Sealed | Post-Unseal | Full Power | Nameless Form Name: Evil Dragon Origin: Touhou Project Gender: Unknown Age...

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Kosuzu Motoori

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Phantoms (Touhou Project)

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Gensokyo

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Youkai Mountain

The Youkai Mountain is an important landmark in Gensokyo and home to several youkai, as per its name. The mountain covers several smaller locations such as the Giant Toad's Pond, the Moriya Shrine, the Genbu Ravine and the Untrodden Valley. Despite the Tengu having the largest dominion over the...

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Lunar Capital

The Lunar Capital (月の都, Tsuki no Miyako) is an extremely powerful and advanced civilization on the Moon of the Touhou Project universe. They used to be humans living on Earth. However, their leader, Lord Tsukuyomi, wanted him and his kind to escape the impurity of Earth. They did so by...

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Ministry of Right and Wrong

The Ministry of Right and Wrong is the organization that manages the entire system regarding Souls and the afterlife in the Touhou Project series. Created in response to humanity's growing numbers, it is mainly composed of the many judges who deal with the deceased and of the leaders of Heaven...

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Letty Whiterock

Letty Whiterock (レティ・ホワイトロック) is a seasonal youkai who's only seen during winter. She seems fittingly cold towards most of the humans she meets and is feared by humans as she is known to freeze them. Tier: At least 8-B | At least 7-B, possibly High 6-A Key: Outside of Winter | During Winter...

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Keine Kamishirasawa

Keine Kamishirasawa (上白沢 慧音, Kamishirasawa Keine) is a were-hakutaku who acts as the guardian of the Human Village. Tier: 2-C Name: Keine Kamishirasawa Origin: Touhou Project Gender: Female Age: Unknown Classification: Were-Hakutaku Powers and Abilities: Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level...

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Shinmyoumaru Sukuna

Shinmyoumaru Sukuna (少名 針妙丸 Sukuna Shinmyoumaru) is an inchling living in the Shining Needle Castle. Her ancestor Issun-Boushi exterminated an oni, and obtained the oni's treasure, the "Miracle Mallet". That ancestor used it to gain a large body and a princess, just as the stories say. He didn't...

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Some other stuff:
Given one of the files saying that average humans are superior to average fairies and that there is literally one 6-C feat that isn't 6-C, that seems reaaaaaaaaly outliery. Seems like poor practice to scale one feat to 75 different things with nothing else to support it.
I'm really not a fan of a lot of the justifications given to scale within this verse, but I also don't care enough about touhou to get really in to it to make changes on that front. Would need to piggyback off someone else's revision.
VIVIT just straight up does not have justifications and should also be deleted.

Maybe start with the deletions if no word is heard within a week from now, not even an "I'm busy now wait".

 

[Psychomaster35]

Wasnt that calc done wi5h the game physics to how it treats light? Similarly to Smash with treating Pikachus Thunder?

 

[The_Impress]

You're acting like Smash has an amazing track record with its calc, and even ignoring that, Pikachu's bolts are still lightning bolt sthat act somewhat reminiscent and don't break other calc standards as well

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

If nothing else I guess stuff like the ice creation could be calculated (whatever happened to separating heat and KE again?), though it would be tier 9.

I'd assume they would still likely default to 9-B since attacks involve throwing human sized objects at others?

 

[Psychomaster35]

If this is a downgrade, then the next best feat would be to calculate her freezing a lake alongside some animal and plant life

 

[The_Impress]

Freezing calcs are getting oof'd actually I think, so

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Oof indeed.

 

[Wokistan]

The pikachu thing shouldn't be used either tbh

"I'd assume they would still likely default to 9-B since attacks involve throwing human sized objects at others?"

I mean I've thrown people before, and I'm 10-A.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Wheres the source of ice calcs being invalid?

 

[The_Impress]

A Comprehensive Guide to Upcoming Changes in Heat Feats

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This extends to freezing calcs :V

 

[Antvasima]

I think so.

Okay.

@The_Causality @Saikou_The_Lewd_King @Promestein @Uninown @Andykhang @Jiangshi1 @Theglassman12 @Megamangohan @Junkoposter @Not_Icarus @Sans2345 @KaiokenBlueGT @CrimsonStarFallen @Ryukama @The_real_cal_howard @Mariogoods

Are you willing to help us out with suggestions for Touhou feats that can be used for scaling the characters?

 

[Theglassman12]

If it doesn’t follow our standard, I’m ok with removing the tiers from that calc.

 

[The_Impress]

We need a replacement calc for these tho :V

 

[DxGenesis]

63 pages? Oof. In any case I agree with this calc being removed. Even ignoring the faults with assuming it's lightspeed. And ignoring that it's calc stacking, I'm pretty sure that Cirno's ice moving at the speed of Okuu's attacks in this context is 100% game mechanics anyway. I'll look at the other characters and see if I find anything else to scale them from. With so many characters involved there must be something that comes up.

 

[DxGenesis]

But from what I know about the lore I'm geniunely very doubtful that any of those characters will scale to anything remotely close to Tier 6.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

I was planning to do something like this, even the Touhou debators that where on G+ always thought 6-C was wank.

There is a 7-B calc of Cirno freezing a lake on another wiki, but that's old and likely outdated, mostly due to the freezing can't be used or smth

 

[DxGenesis]

I think in the worst case scenario all the doubtful statistics should just be changed to unknown instead of the pages being deleted though, most of those characters still have decent hax that makes them worthy of having a page.

 

[The_Impress]

Nah, I'd rather delete them than having 63 pages which list both speed, attack potency, striking strength and durability as unknown based off sheer laziness of the fanbase on wiki because I know they will mever be updated.

 

[00potato]

I was planning to do something like this, even the Touhou debators that where on G+ always thought 6-C was wank.

There is a 7-B calc of Cirno freezing a lake on another wiki, but that's old and likely outdated, mostly due to the freezing can't be used or smth

Why is Cirno always the one with the feats?
Can I see the calc?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Because ice and freezing can get extremely food feats even if nearly inflatiatory a lot of the time.